Grand Cru (Perth) tasting group - Rockstar examples of under-rated grape varieties

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Grand Cru (Perth) tasting group - Rockstar examples of under-rated grape varieties

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G'day

This may seem an unusual theme for a tasting, and a couple of members of the group sought clarification. This was what was promoted:

There are noble grapes, and less noble grapes. Some of the less noble grapes are known for producing bland, neutral, or plain industrial wines.

However, there's exceptions to most rules, and this is no exception. Generally, there is somewhere on the planet where the stars align and you get a shining example of a grape variety that might normally be dismissed.


Of course, some people headed straight to Google to find out which were the noble grape varieties, and Google gives more than one option here. However, most of what was brought to this tasting could be considered to be lesser varieties, so we mostly accomplished our aim.

Two whites and eight reds were tasted, blind as usual with us only knowing the colour and vintage. There’s the usual disclaimer about the notes being a compilation of the group’s opinions, and this was a tasting where my personal opinions differed considerably for some wines.

The whites:

Marq Petit Manseng 2018 (Margaret River, W.A): Yellow bordering on straw in colour. The nose is modest and flinty, with some buttermilk and Granny Smith apples. The palate, by comparison, is honeyed and textured, with citrus, honeydew melon, lemon barley water, and cedary oak (apparently this has seen 10 months of older oak). There’s a sour note on the finish, and zingy acid. Apparently subsequent vintages of this wine are labelled ‘Gros Manseng’, and yes, Google was employed again to tell the difference 😊 Well regarded by the group.

Fox Gordon Fiano 2017 (Adelaide Hills, S.A.): Pale yellow in colour. There’s honeysuckle, lemon blossom and curd, lychee and sherbet on the nose, while the palate has preserved lemon and toasted hazelnuts. Acid is keeping the wine fresh, and there’s some chalkiness and viscosity. Short finish.

The reds:

Mayer Gamay 2022 (Yarra Valley, Victoria): A bright and vibrant crimson colour in the glass. There’s a blend of bright red fruits (red cherries, redcurrant) and earthy, forest floor and dusty characters. The palate is juicy, with cola, kirsch and dark cherries, and persistent acid. Tannins are fine and grippy and the wine has good length. The wine is powerful now, but there was discussion among the group about its potential longevity. Highly regarded by the group.

Pillastro Primitivo 2021 (Puglia, Italy): Deep crimson in colour. The nose shows very little primary fruit – instead, there’s barnyard, earthiness, tobacco, pot pourri and cherry liqueur. The palate is more of the same, with earth and smoky peat. It’s textural and viscous, with low acid and a short finish.

Wetzer Soproni Kekfrankos Blaufrankisch 2020 (Austria): Another wine with little in the way of primary fruit. The nose is meaty, with tobacco, shaved pencil, and is herbal. The soft palate is smoky with maraschino cherries, medium acid and a touch of alcoholic heat. Some tasters (including me) suspected brett was in the house – Bandaid was noticeable – and there was some astringency on the finish.

Hewitson Old Garden Mourvedre 2019 (Barossa Valley, S.A.): Crimson in colour. Rich and full nose of brandy, Christmas pudding, cherry cola, Kahlua, and cold drip coffee. The richness continues through the palate, which has more Christmas cake. Tannins are full without being overpowering. There’s glycerols, nutmeg and cinnamon, and medium acid. Well balanced and finishes long. Well regarded by the group.

Dominique Peron Gamay 2018 (Morgon, France): Crimson in colour. Austere nose, with fennel, aniseed, dried herbs, leather and earthiness. The palate shows soft acid and gentle fruits, sour cherry and firm tannins. Medium finish.

Carpe Diem Platinum Series Nebbiolo 2018 (Margaret River, W.A.): Crimson. The nose is jubey, with strawberry, cherry cola and menthol. The palate is soft, with chalky tannins and a rounded palate. It just seemed lacking, missing something.

Juniper Estate Singe Vineyard Shiraz 2017 (Margaret River, W.A.): Deep purple in colour. Liqueur cherry, violets, dark cherries, spices and florals on the nose. The palate is juicy and long, with integrated chalky tannins and prominent acid. Sour long finish. Fruit is starting to diminish, so this is a drink-now proposition. Well regarded by the group.

San Vicente Reserva Rioja 2015 (Rioja, Spain): Purple / crimson in colour. Christmas pudding, cola, brandy butter and tar on the nose. More Christmas cake on the palate, with full, drying tannins, and slightly tart acid. Again, fruit appears to be diminishing, but the wine is still showing how good it was a year or two ago.

An interesting tasting, due to its variety especially. The wine of the night was the Mayer Gamay 2022, although for me the Hewitson was the star by a large margin. Thanks to all those who joined us.

Cheers
Allan
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Love the theme - right up my street, though once you start to think about it, there are very few examples which shine very brightly in a very specific situation, yet there's a morass of ordinary wine made from the grape. Many great combinations of grape and region, simply aren't grown much elsewhere... or for the like of Pinot Noir, Merlot, Nebbiolo etc. are very much seen as 'noble grapes'.

If only you could have sourced a bottle of Tiefenbrunner's Feldmarschall do Zenner, as for me it's the absolute standout example of making a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Making a passable Muller-Thurgau would be a remarkable achievement, making a wonderful wine from it is miracle-working of the highest order.

Others that might be good for a follow-up tasting? Fortifieds should be a good option e.g. Verdelho in Madeira, Pedro Ximenez (sherry). Similarly some dessert wines can lift a grape from soulless into something rather more exciting (e.g. Scheurebe or Malvasia delle Lipari). Not that it appeals to me, but Savagnin in Jura might be a good fit for the theme. Gamay in Bojo was a good choice.

In Australia? Arguably Tahbilk's Marsanne makes a good case, perhaps a setting to open one of the 1927 vines bottles. Whilst semillon would be 'noble' in most people's books, Hunter semillon is a rare standout monovarietal dry wine from the grape (sorry South Africa). Rutherglen Durif may not be prestigious, but it feels a superb (perhaps ideal?) match of grape to terroir.

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My wine group in Holland is called the ‘“Wierd Wines” and we look for they type of wines that would fit into this tasting. We have had so many over the years that it’s hard to remember them all. From Auz I think you could have picked

Terrason Aligote
Chambers Gouais
Crittenden Cri de Couer Savignin
Morris Durif
Talijancich Reserve Verdelho
A King Valley Saperavi
Bella Ridge Kyoho

A couple of these are rare, rather than workhorse, but it is amazing what is out there in the wine world.
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Interesting that this is a theme that seems to be striking a chord with some Forumites. I thought it might be too general or open to interpretation, but, it seems to work.

Ian, Jura has made some appearances at our tastings, but - not my thing either. Fortifieds as a theme gets a mention from time to time, but there could be difficulty in getting the legs to work properly afterwards :)
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Re: Grand Cru (Perth) tasting group - Rockstar examples of under-rated grape varieties

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A friend did a '5 decades of port' tasting for us. I vaguely remember us jumping in puddles on the walk back home and both of us nursing very sore heads the next day. It's a potentially dangerous theme :mrgreen:

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