Drinking Windows.

JONZIE · Post by **JONZIE** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:51 am

2000 Leasinghams Cabernat Melbec is it worth getting stuck into now or will it last a couple of years yet.

Is there a Good Wedsite that lists Wine drinking Windows.

Cheers.

Red Bigot · Post by **Red Bigot** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:18 am

Yes (for Australian wines), but you have to be a subscriber.
http://www.jeremyoliver.com.au/

Maximus · Post by **Maximus** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:24 am

2000 Bin 56 is a twenty year wine. If having now, you'll need a bloody steak to accompany the wine two nights later.

Red Bigot · Post by **Red Bigot** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:30 am

Maximus wrote:2000 Bin 56 is a twenty year wine. If having now, you'll need a bloody steak to accompany the wine two nights later.

You must get a different Bin 56 over there, the 2000 vintage version I've had are more along the ready to drink now lines.

Maximus · Post by **Maximus** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:33 am

I've tried it in Australia twice and over here twice. All Classic Clare Cabernet fruit into this wine. On each occassion I've had it, it's amazingly dense with a deep-set core of fruit. Has tasted remarkably better the following nights when I've done the experiment twice. Given the pedigree of the label, it's one of those wines I'm convinced will last.

TORB · Post by **TORB** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:49 am

Max,

I have have to disagree too. Given that the 92 CC Cab was going very hard after 12 years and 2000 was a vintage that is anything was more difficult, I can see it going 20 years.

How many recent vintages of CC Cab could go 20 years? Possibly the 99 but that's about the only one.

How many vintages of Bin 56 could hold out to 15? Not many (if any) that I can think of.

I just had a look at Oliver's recommendation and he quoted "2002-2005.

Certainly when i tried it I thought it was an early drinking proposition.

Maximus · Post by **Maximus** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:59 am

I'm not going to get into a 'this wine reviewer said this' debate, suffice to say that the '71 Bin 56 is still alive and well after 30 years. Some commentators give the 2000 Bin 56 a 15yr drinking window.

In any case, it's one of those dark horse wines that I knowingly expect others to bag re twenty year remark, but I'll prove you wrong in a couple of decades.

Nayan · Post by **Nayan** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:36 pm

For what's it's worth the Leasingham website says that the 2000 has the potential to age up to 10 years in bottle (though it does say that about all the Bin 56s post 1998). It says that the 1996 is a 5-7 year wine; which is definitely an understatement IMO.

Red Bigot · Post by **Red Bigot** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:43 pm

Maximus wrote:I'm not going to get into a 'this wine reviewer said this' debate, suffice to say that the '71 Bin 56 is still alive and well after 30 years. Some commentators give the 2000 Bin 56 a 15yr drinking window.

In any case, it's one of those dark horse wines that I knowingly expect others to bag re twenty year remark, but I'll prove you wrong in a couple of decades.

Max there are freaks in any long-running label and 1971 (and maybe 72) Bin 56 was one of those, a couple of the Bin 68 Cabernet Shiraz in the mid-late 70's were still going strong at about 15 years too, but for my tastes the Bin 56/Bin 61 of the most recent 10 years will mostly have peaked before 10 yo.

Good luck with the 2000, you've only got about 14 years to go now.

n4sir · Post by **n4sir** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:12 pm

While the 2000 was surprisingly good for the tough vintage, the last time I tried it (last year?) it seemed to be developing very quickly - on that form I'd agree with the red bigots it will probably see out 10 years from vintage at best.

I was told by one of the Blacktongues not to touch my last two bottles of 1996 yet - seems to confirm that the 1996 is definitely a keeper.

Cheers,
Ian

JONZIE · Post by **JONZIE** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:45 pm

Cheers for the Info there Guys, I think I'll post here for a Drinking Window get a few different opinions that way.

Thanks.

Gary W · Post by **Gary W** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:57 pm

I have had it recently and my oppo Lincoln did too. He says -

Leasingham Bin 56 Cabernet Malbec 2000

As much as we would all like to drink Grand Cru Burgundy or first growth Bordeaux every night of the week, most of us are drinking cheaper wines on a more regular basis. Tonight I had a wine from Leasingham. From memory, 2000 was not a renowned vintage by any means, but on opening, intense ripe blackcurrants and blackberries leapt from the glass, ably supported by some vanillan oak. Quite a promising start, but in contrast, the palate seemed a lot more mature (perhaps even tired), with some dusty leather in the fore, black fruits, prominent tannins and acid. Strangely, the fruit is fading but the tannins havenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t resolved. Overall it appears to be quite an awkward wine. Drink up methinks.
Rated : 83 Points
Tasted : Jan06
Alcohol : 13.5%
Price : $17
Closure : Cork
Drink : 2006 - 2007
Source : Cellar

....I'd agree. You would be on a hiding to nothing cellaring it long term.
GW

Wayno · Post by **Wayno** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:00 pm

Not exactly a glowing recommendation...

TORB · Post by **TORB** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:28 pm

Gary W wrote:Quite a promising start, but in contrast, the palate seemed a lot more mature (perhaps even tired), with some dusty leather in the fore, black fruits, prominent tannins and acid. Strangely, the fruit is fading but the tannins havenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t resolved. Overall it appears to be quite an awkward wine.

That's zactly wot happened to the 92 CC Cab too.

n4sir · Post by **n4sir** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:33 am

I just thought of something else about this wine - it has the aborted 2000 Classic Clare Cabernet material in it (although it's still got a whopping 20% Malbec too).

That would go some way to explain why it was so impressive on release, but it also justifies the decision not to go ahead with the CC if it's developing as quickly as some of us think.

Cheers,
Ian