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NOBLEROTTERSSYDNEY - GORDON'S BDX LEGENDS - Glass Brasserie, Sydney (2/04/2025)

After the generous ‘top Bordeaux” nights of 2006, 2011, 2015, 2018, and 2022, Gordon once more raids the cellar to put on a night of unaffordably legendary wines. We have generally been blessed by the cork gods in past years at these events, but probability theory will not be denied, and sadly we did have one certain casualty tonight, and a couple of other suspects that seemed just a little compromised by their tree-bark seals. All wines were carefully decanted into flasks just prior to dinner (after a week standing up at the venue!). All wines have rested since original purchase in Gordon’s cellar; this cast iron provenance over 30+ years rules out the poor storage risk that’s often present with older wines. Most of the corks came out pretty well (nothing was recorked over the years) although Pennies’ Bin 920 cork disintegrated even under the gentlest of ah-so applications and needed something of a mop-and-bucket to get it cleanly in the decanter. Wines were mostly served in pairs: Margaux/Haut Brion together, the pair of Lafites, the two 2nd growths, Bin 920 as a solo, then the two Granges.
  • 2008 Louis Roederer Champagne Cristal Brut - France, Champagne
    {cork} [Gordon] Developing nose dominated by rich bakery aromas, with lemongrass too. Majestic palate of medium-full weight, bone dry but with plenty of pear and citrus fruits. Small, creamy and persistent bubbles, great balance along the palate. Autolysis effect is subtle. Long finish. A wine with everything. My champagne notes always seem a bit cursory, but this was truly a special wine. Wow.
  • 1986 Château Margaux - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Margaux
    {cork, 12.5%} [Gordon] Still a surprisingly deep garnet. Developing, powerful nose of smoked meat, cigar, perfume, floral notes. It’s enchanting stuff. The palate has just about everything; a velvety texture, but still with decent acidity and medium, finely dusty tannins. There are soft brambly red fruits, roses, dry but generous. An even presence on the palate translates into an endless finish. Just a fabulous wine, and still with another decade ahead of it – no sign of this falling over. Triumphant. None of the remarkable table wines we drank following this tonight exceeded it, and I think it probably emerged as the group favourite in the face of some remarkable peers.
  • 1989 Château Haut-Brion - France, Bordeaux, Graves, Pessac-Léognan
    {cork, 13%} [Gordon] Among the highlights of my drinking life have unquestionably been repeated tastings of this transcendent wine. Not all have been quite the same level, but the dreaded bottle variation is inevitable at this age now. The first thing to say is that the richness of the preceding 86 Margaux didn’t help this wine at all. Putting that aside, it presented a slightly brick-like appearance in the glass, with its trademark cigar-box and herb nose. It really is a bouquet to wallow in. The palate was consistent with the nose, with a medium-bodied presence, low/medium powdery tannins of great subtlety. The balance is impeccable, the finish endless. It’s a little more earthy than its northern neighbour and in comparison looks just a little gaunt. Objectively though, this is just wonderful, fully justifying the wine’s reputation. That said, on the basis of the last couple of tastings, this is at peak, and longer cellaring may be risky (provenance, ullage, etc)
  • 1986 Château Lafite Rothschild - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Pauillac
    {cork, 12.5%} [Gordon] Sommelier Mauro was a bit suspicious of cork taint immediately on opening. It seemed a little bottle-funky shortly after to me, but by the time we got to it at table forty minutes later there was no question this was compromised by TCA. It wasn’t a lot, because the quality of the underlying currant and blackberry fruit shone through, and indeed it was drinkable enough, which I rarely find to be the case. But inevitably, the presence and finish were a bit clipped and the nuance was gone. Such a shame. Previous tastings in ’22 and ’15 have confirmed the greatness of this; and beyond the packaging catastrophe I reckon this would have done the same. NR (flawed)
  • 1988 Château Lafite Rothschild - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, Pauillac
    {cork} [Gordon] A powerful blackcurrant ripeness cuts through the nose of this. Cigar-box, smoke; but it seems astonishingly young for nearly forty years old. There’s a savoury dryness on the palate; blackberry fruit dominates, but it remains consistent with the nose. There are low/medium chalky tannins, medium acidity, and a subtle polished oak character. It all fits together like a blue-printed engine; it has such tightness and integrity. This is medium weight only, but is very persistent on the palate. There’s no rush to drink this, and it may even be short of its peak.
  • 1982 Château Léoville Las Cases - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, St. Julien
    {cork} [Gordon] Still a dark garnet colour. Powerful nose of dark, malty currants, inky black iodine notes, hint of oak. Powerhouse stuff. Tiny bit of mustiness? The palate presents as a wall of black fruit, with iron-filing tannins and medium acidity. I can’t escape a background suggestion of camphor/carpet, which makes me suspect a cork issue (although my glass was thoroughly rinsed previously). Full-bodied by Bdx standards, an even palate, and a slightly attenuated finish. I’m just a bit suspicious of the cork – a suggestion this may be a fraction below ideal. There’s a great wine here – an eighty-year special, even – but I think it was just fractionally compromised tonight.
  • 1990 Château Montrose - France, Bordeaux, Médoc, St. Estèphe
    {cork, 13%} [Gordon] Proper earth and dirt here. Blackcurrants, yes, also an animal/mushroom base as well. From the ‘brett=complexity’ school of winemaking, and justifying it, to be honest. This is full-bodied by any measure, with still-evolving coal-black fruit flavours, astringently chalky medium/high tannins, medium acidity. Big, still evolving, with a feral animal character about it. Even palate, medium-long finish. The only table wine tonight that clearly needs more time to reach its peak. Head-shakingly impressive.
  • 1990 Penfolds Bin 920 - Australia, South Australia, Limestone Coast, Coonawarra
    {cork, 13%} [Gordon] The 17,000km shift from Bordeaux to Coonawarra was such a jarring jolt that initially all I could smell here was a mix of mint and eucalyptus! There’s some vanilla too, channelling the US oak. It’s medium weight on the palate, with a mint/violet tinge to the red fruit; medium chalky tannins and medium acidity complete the structure nicely. The palate is smeary and impressionist; it lacks the complexly assertive line of the Bordeaux reds, but as a stand-alone wine it’s commanding enough. Has a dusty, open character about it – a gentle, warm palate culminates in a medium/long dry finish. It’s soft but not weak. Perhaps something of a fish-out-of-water tonight, even as a cabernet to shiraz bridge, but it’s a very impressive wine, and not in any danger of falling over at all on this showing.
  • 1986 Penfolds Grange - Australia, South Australia
    {cork, 13.7%} [Gordon] The standout Grange between 1971 and 1990, this is still very dark in colour, with a big, exotic nose of burnt caramel, tar, oak, coconut and black – pitch black – fruit. All the nose is mirrored on the palate, although in this case I again felt there was a slightly musty character that is a cork artefact and not part of the wine. The palate is powerful in the typical Grange style, black, tarry, ripe fruit, medium/full in weight, with medium powdery tannins and a sense that the peak of this wine is close, but still in the future. Big presence all along the tongue, medium long finish. But that corky sense nagged… NR (flawed)
  • 1988 Penfolds Grange - Australia, South Australia
    {cork, 13.8%} [Gordon] Malt and liquorice. Lots of black fruit amongst the leather and tar. The same can be said of the palate, which also adds violets, spice and oak. Medium/full weight, medium acid, subtle powdery tannins. Big mid-palate presence, long finish. Really good, and maybe a bit overlooked coming so late in the night. I liked this better than the (compromised) ’86; I really think this is a bit of a sleeper vintage. Thirty-seven years old and still going strong, keep without worry.
  • NV Pérez Barquero Montilla-Moriles 1905 Solera PX - Spain, Andalucía, Montilla-Moriles
    {cork, 11.5%?} [Gordon] God, what is this? Bottle 186 of a limited 1000 bottle edition, complete with authentication certificate and small coffin-shaped box. It’s not clear from the certificate when this was actually bottled, but the winery’s website indicates it’s a solera dating from the establishment of the winery (near Cordoba) in 1905. It’s still listed for sale on the website (with 15% alcohol on the tech sheet as opposed to the 11.5% on the bottle label!) but they’re obviously doing regular releases from the solera nowadays. The current releases claim an average age of 80-90 years (along with a 99-point Parker/Advocate review) – this older bottling is probably largely from the 1905 initial establishment? Hard to know – that’s not much data online.

    In the glass it’s a murky brown oily syrup, like used motor oil. It absolutely clings to the glass like some kind of paint. The nose smells centuries ago, with candied figs, honey, molasses, burnt caramel. Hint of rubber too. Spices and christmas cake. The palate is thickly-textured and chewy. Palate is more like 90% dark chocolate, with a distinct bitterness that offsets the sweetness – you expect something stupidly sweet, and yet it isn’t. Oddly, perhaps, it doesn’t seem especially acidic either, so it really coats the tongue. And there’s not so much alcoholic heat – the labelled 11.5% seems completely improbable; the tech sheet figure of just 15% seems about right. The sweetness seems to flicker the full range from dry and bitter to fully sweet – it’s impossible to nail it down to just one point on the spectrum; the stats of 6.3g of TA and 520g of RS sit oddly against the palate experience. Full-bodied, with a long, endlessly long, finish. An extraordinary experience to drink, and I do wonder how they maintain consistency of style over the years. The current release from the solera seems to be available from the EU-based websites for ~€300, but I don’t know how similar it is to this relic.
What a night. Just a privilege to drink. Even if we felt the pain of cork failure like never before! Thanks Gordon.

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That’s a cracking line up. Thanks for sharing these notes. I’ve had some of these before and most have been sublime. Shame about the 82 LLC, I’ve always found it to be sensational.

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The dread of un-refundable cork taint!

Some beauties there.

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fantastic to see an Aussie tasting with wines that are actually ready to drink lol
89 Haut Brion is an all time desert island wine for me, sadly, I only have two or three left.
90 Montrose is an infuriating wine, when on, its 100pts, but every second bottle (even from the same case) is brett city.

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As I referenced in the intro, over the five previous dinners of this type, we'd definitely be running at the typical old-fashioned 5% fail rate for corks. Even that 89 HB - which I've now tasted 7 times - is quite variable, and they've all been bottles from the same cellar over that ~20 year period.

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oh, forgot to mention, the 86 Lafite has always been a dud, so you didn't miss a lot.

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GraemeG wrote: Mon Aug 11, 2025 8:38 am As I referenced in the intro, over the five previous dinners of this type, we'd definitely be running at the typical old-fashioned 5% fail rate for corks. Even that 89 HB - which I've now tasted 7 times - is quite variable, and they've all been bottles from the same cellar over that ~20 year period.
The modern era should see a better performance of cork. Especially at that level of quality!

I’m going to start trying stelvin sealed wines from 20 years ago, side by side. See how “consistent” the seal is. Just a personal exercise. Not interested in being labelled a heretic by fans of Aussie exceptionalism.

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Interesting, from the Australian perspective, if I have read you right, I'm struggling with finding the opportunity to try side by side comparisons of older wines.
Are there wines available under both closures from 20 years ago?
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yes, Moss Wood started in 2001, the Cab was sold under both stelvin and cork

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I don't buy reds under screwcap any more, they don't develop that same as under cork.
interestingly, I have some red Burgundy under screw cap,. even GC's, from the 08-09 vintages. Again, they are universally disappointing.

But, of course, if you are buying a wine to drink over the next 12 months or so, screwcap is a sure thing (and I remember some stat where around 85% of Aussie wine is consumed within 24 hours of purchase)

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felixp21 wrote: Thu Aug 14, 2025 1:34 pm I don't buy reds under screwcap any more, they don't develop that same as under cork.
interestingly, I have some red Burgundy under screw cap,. even GC's, from the 08-09 vintages. Again, they are universally disappointing.

But, of course, if you are buying a wine to drink over the next 12 months or so, screwcap is a sure thing (and I remember some stat where around 85% of Aussie wine is consumed within 24 hours of purchase)
Thanks Felix, think the figure was 95%
Apart from Moss Wood, I'd been keen to hear from others if any other wineries are doing same...Is Grosset Gaia under both?
I have Bowen under both, but only since the 2016 vintage.
There was some talk a while back about Grange trials from 2000 onwards being under both, but think its probably bullshit.
That said, if Grange was under screwcap, I reckon it would sell. Wonder if Henschke on the quiet have bottled the last 15 vintages of HoG under cork?
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a few Bordeaux First and Second Growths have been putting a few cases under SC since the late 90's to see what happens. Hard to find anything about it, so I guess they are keeping their conclusions to themselves. But either way, Diam and the like will be the future for closures of premium wine, no SC.

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Sorry I didn’t make myself clear as a cork heretic.

I’m standing up a pair of the same stelvin sealed red wines, from 20 years ago, to compare their “consistency”.

I’m not happy with early stelvin and Aussie reds. I think the issue for me is the wine structurally develops at a rate ways different to fruit development. I have had some good wines too. No doubt there has been evolution in understanding of the closure.

I’m tired of Aussie exceptionalism in regards to the closure debate. You can’t have a differing opinion and rationale discussion. Bit like a Middle East debate with tik-tok educated youth ( or a Greens supporter ). 🙂

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All good.
Not actually concerned with the type of closures...as long as a replacement bottle is available for those that are stuffed with taint :wink:
Wynns, Rockford, Yalumba over the years have all sent replacements.
That said, I think SCs are fantastic for Rieslings.

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Not sure if it’s all piss & wind, when out last night with some industry types, scuttlebutt is a 20 year trial concluded with stelvin versus cork. Pennies is going back to cork with all their premium reds.

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JamieAdelaide wrote: Sun Aug 17, 2025 11:05 am Not sure if it’s all piss & wind, when out last night with some industry types, scuttlebutt is a 20 year trial concluded with stelvin versus cork. Pennies is going back to cork with all their premium reds.
Yessss. ... Geeez, finally!
Yalumba probably have done the same trials, and gone back to cork on their premium reds, albeit using Nick Stock to announce it at a Sig. launch a few years back.
And others.
Over twenty years I've inspected corks at many tastings with European winemaking colleagues, and their corks were different!
Chlorine hasn't been used in wine cork production for a number of years now, so TCA will go. The cork producers harvest at 7 - 8 years now, instead of 3 - 4, - the bark is so much thicker!
BUT, I guess some people will still blame VA, Brett, etc on the cork.
Most whites, and early- mid drinking reds need screwcaps for savings in storage - can stack pallets 3 - high, and reduction in costly returns for 'perceived' cork taint. Its a great closure for those wines.

I will anticipate a certain backlash - suffice to say, some people, 20 years ago, made a hobby out of contacting premium wine producers, complaining of cork taint, and receiving replacement bottles. A little later, probably over a few bevies after a tasting somewhere, said producers compared notes and ..... better not say anymore!!

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That’s interesting.

Yes I’m sure if the rumour is true, the backlash and sabotage ( you’ve alluded to yourself ) will be felt for some time .

Always found it odd that the obsessively pro-stelvin crowd, could be so convinced and commanding of their closure. Without experience or long term trials for reds.

Anyways not detracting from the original fine wine event above. I’m not sure how I’m going to feel when the inevitable happens - a First Growth corked from my cellar! Had a premoxed 1er Cru last week.

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Here's a novel idea, why not give the punters what they want, then everyone is happy.
Equally, producers over a five year window can say nobody is buying screw caps or vice versa, so will just offer one closure.
As long as the policy is if the wine is stuffed...for whatever reason, a replacement is available.
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I’d be happier if we just let the winemaker make their decisions on closures and not ostracise them for doing so.

I bought from four Barossa producers this year. All were cork sealed. It seems the Barossa swinging back to cork?

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