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Eperosa 2017 Magnolia Shiraz - too much Brett
Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 4:51 pm
by Croquet King
Just wondering if anyone has had this wine?
I just opened a 6 pack and tried a bottle.
Just such a strong smell of band aid and not pleasant at all.
I messaged Eperosa 3 years ago about the same issue (on the same wine) but they said no one else has brought it up. Given how it works unlikely be due to bottle variation.
I've given it a vigorous double decant and will see what happens.
Re: Eperosa 2017 Magnolia Shiraz - too much Brett
Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 8:35 pm
by ticklenow1
I tried the 2017 at the winery with Brett and can't recall any brett in any of the wines. That's not to say it isn't in your wines, but I'm normally quite intolerant of brett.
Which Magnolia are you talking about? The 1965 or the 1896?
Re: Eperosa 2017 Magnolia Shiraz - too much Brett
Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 10:32 pm
by Matt@5453
He's had hygiene issues in the past.
Can't remember which year it was, but he didn't release any wines because of the issues he had within the winery.
Re: Eperosa 2017 Magnolia Shiraz - too much Brett
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 2:10 pm
by ticklenow1
Matt@5453 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 10:32 pm
He's had hygiene issues in the past.
Can't remember which year it was, but he didn't release any wines because of the issues he had within the winery.
It was 2016 and it wasn’t a hygiene problem. It was the first year Brett moved into his new winery and none of his ferments took except for one.
Re: Eperosa 2017 Magnolia Shiraz - too much Brett
Posted: Sat May 11, 2024 7:24 pm
by WineRick
ticklenow1 wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2024 2:10 pm
Matt@5453 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 10:32 pm
He's had hygiene issues in the past.
Can't remember which year it was, but he didn't release any wines because of the issues he had within the winery.
It was 2016 and it wasn’t a hygiene problem. It was the first year Brett moved into his new winery and none of his ferments took except for one.
With respect, Brett is all about hygiene - SO2 is your first weapon, racking barrels regularly and if the problem lingers, re-surface (re-plane each stave to about 3 mm ) and toast well.
There's a lot to be said about "minimal intervention "! Often it's like a microbial hand grenade with the pin pulled.
Re: Eperosa 2017 Magnolia Shiraz - too much Brett
Posted: Sun May 12, 2024 3:18 pm
by mjs
Sorry, I'm chuckling a little here
There's Brett in Brett's wines
Re: Eperosa 2017 Magnolia Shiraz - too much Brett
Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 12:18 am
by Hacker
mjs wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 3:18 pm
Sorry, I'm chuckling a little here
There's Brett in Brett's wines
I may be wrong but isn’t Croquet King’s real name Brett? But never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
Re: Eperosa 2017 Magnolia Shiraz - too much Brett
Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 2:38 am
by Ian S
I'm Brett and so is my wife
Re: Eperosa 2017 Magnolia Shiraz - too much Brett
Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 9:18 am
by Croquet King
Hacker wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 12:18 am
mjs wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 3:18 pm
Sorry, I'm chuckling a little here
There's Brett in Brett's wines
I may be wrong but isn’t Croquet King’s real name Brett? But never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
Absolutely correct Hacker.
Brett is commenting about Brett in Brett's wines.
Re: Eperosa 2017 Magnolia Shiraz - too much Brett
Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 9:29 am
by Croquet King
So I gave a bottle to a friend to try and he said it was absolutely corked. He had one of the same wines/vintages from his collection and it was fantastic. So being corked is much more likely I'd say.
I'm not sure how correct this is and would like to hear others.
Brett would be a whole of wine for that vintage issue rather than an individual bottle problem?
and also
Would you often get a whole 6 packed which are corked?
That's 4 out of 4 from the same 6 pack that have now had the same problem.
I don;t exactly know how Brett corks but I'm assuming they have a container of corks that are just picked at random (out of that batch) and put into the bottle.
If one cork has TCA, how far does it spread to other corks in the same batch?
If anyone on here has been involved in bottling and making wine i'd love to learn more.
Thanks
Re: Eperosa 2017 Magnolia Shiraz - too much Brett
Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 11:07 am
by Croquet King
so I also have bottle numbers and they are all very close - 1909 (not corked), 1864 and 1753 (both corked).
I'm assuming the labels are all put on in sequence but my 6 pack contained 1864 and 1753 numbers.
This makes sense as I'd say they are wouldn't go into 6 packs in the same order they are labelled.
Re: Eperosa 2017 Magnolia Shiraz - too much Brett
Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 6:21 pm
by mjs
Croquet King wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 9:18 am
Hacker wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 12:18 am
mjs wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 3:18 pm
Sorry, I'm chuckling a little here
There's Brett in Brett's wines
I may be wrong but isn’t Croquet King’s real name Brett? But never let the truth get in the way of a good story.
Absolutely correct Hacker.
Brett is commenting about Brett in Brett's wines.
Re: Eperosa 2017 Magnolia Shiraz - too much Brett
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:19 am
by Croquet King
just to close this out - we (Brett and I) came to the conclusion that the 6 pack must have been heat affected.
Each bottle in the 6 had the same problem.
No one else has experienced it so seems the most likely outcome.
I have never had this happen before
Re: Eperosa 2017 Magnolia Shiraz - too much Brett
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:33 am
by phillisc
CK, did Brett offer replacements/refunds?
One of the nicest blokes going around.
I have a dozen of the 2021 releases tucked away.
Cheers Craig
Re: Eperosa 2017 Magnolia Shiraz - too much Brett
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2024 6:57 pm
by WineRick
A good source of information and explanation of Brett in red wines. (Not checking residual sugars after red ferments can be problematical!)
Brettanomyces - WineMakerMag.com
Re: Eperosa 2017 Magnolia Shiraz - too much Brett
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:49 pm
by JamieAdelaide
Croquet King wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:19 am
just to close this out - we (Brett and I) came to the conclusion that the 6 pack must have been heat affected.
Each bottle in the 6 had the same problem.
No one else has experienced it so seems the most likely outcome.
I have never had this happen before
I had a heat affected Jasper Hill bought from auction. Geez it must have had a baking. Very weird to start and you start analysing a little- cork or Brett or another fault. In the end, a baking was my conclusion having closely read notes from reviewers and punters.
Re: Eperosa 2017 Magnolia Shiraz - too much Brett
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:25 pm
by Ian S
and IIRC brett thrives on a little warmth, so easy to see how it might be blamed as the sole culprit
Re: Eperosa 2017 Magnolia Shiraz - too much Brett
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2024 1:16 pm
by Mike Hawkins
I have the 16 and 18s but haven’t opened any yet. Might take a peak
Re: Eperosa 2017 Magnolia Shiraz - too much Brett
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2024 8:41 pm
by Matt@5453
Croquet King wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:19 am
just to close this out - we (Brett and I) came to the conclusion that the 6 pack must have been heat affected.
Each bottle in the 6 had the same problem.
No one else has experienced it so seems the most likely outcome.
I have never had this happen before
Was the heat at your end or his, or in transit?
Hope its not your end.
Re: Eperosa 2017 Magnolia Shiraz - too much Brett
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 11:09 am
by Croquet King
Matt@5453 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 8:41 pm
Croquet King wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:19 am
just to close this out - we (Brett and I) came to the conclusion that the 6 pack must have been heat affected.
Each bottle in the 6 had the same problem.
No one else has experienced it so seems the most likely outcome.
I have never had this happen before
Was the heat at your end or his, or in transit?
Hope its not your end.
Not sure Matt. I find it hard to believe it was my end as I've never had this issue before with any wine in my cellar.
Just one of those things
Re: Eperosa 2017 Magnolia Shiraz - too much Brett
Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:01 pm
by WAwineguy
ticklenow1 wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2024 8:35 pm
I tried the 2017 at the winery with Brett and can't recall any brett in any of the wines. That's not to say it isn't in your wines, but I'm normally quite intolerant of brett.
If you're intolerant of brett, why did you go to the winery with him?