Wine Storage

jacques · Post by **jacques** » Sun Jun 06, 2004 10:35 pm

Just read an ads in the Wine magazine which mention a major wine storage warehouse in Brisbane was out of electricity for three days in Feb.
Any idea which warehouse is it? I store majority of my wines in Miller.

Are they suppose to inform their client if it is really happened? :?:

Will the insurance cover this? How can we prove our loss?

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 12:47 am

Hi,

I don't think the insurance will cover for the potential loss. I don't stor wine in Millers, but from what I know they only cover for the wine that is physically damaged.

Eg, if there is a fire and none of the bottle is actually broken, but is heat damaged you can not apply for compensation because none of the wine is actually broken or missing. Insurance in the commerical storage facility is not worth it at all. I only have minimum coverage for mine

simm · Post by **simm** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 11:33 am

If it is not covered for that kind of damage and you have it in a private locker there probably isn't any point in insurance if it isn't going to cover you for spoilage. If you have it on the shelf with other palates and they get it down with forklifts and the likes, it is still a good idea. I think I'm going to quit my insurance....hmmmm

cheers,

jacques · Post by **jacques** » Tue Jun 08, 2004 11:34 pm

Seem like no one here know which warehouse it is.
Luckily, my cellar at home is nearly completed, and I will move all of my wines back home sometimes this month. No need to suffer a 20%+ annual increase of rental charge by Miller anymore. :lol:

graham · Post by **graham** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 7:49 am

Out of curiousity Jacques, what kind of cellar have you built?

jacques · Post by **jacques** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 12:42 am

graham wrote:Out of curiousity Jacques, what kind of cellar have you built?

A 30 sqm room in the lowest level of the house which is partly underground with normal air-conditioner installed. The temperture is able to maintain around 18 C with hum. around 70. Bought some wine rack and put them on two side of the wall which include single and dozen bottle holder. At the moment, they can hold around 2000 bottles. Considering to install another professional cooler next year which can lower the temperture to 16 C and extend it to hold 3000 bottles.. :wink:

graham · Post by **graham** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 7:56 am

God I do feel inadequate now. :twisted:

What criteria do you use to pick your wines? Aging potential ? Variety?
Ever considered a Fondis unit to keep the wine down to about 14 degrees and 70 - 80 percent humidity?

jacques · Post by **jacques** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 10:21 am

graham wrote:God I do feel inadequate now. What criteria do you use to pick your wines? Aging potential ? Variety?
Ever considered a Fondis unit to keep the wine down to about 14 degrees and 70 - 80 percent humidity?

Brand, Recommandation from media or wine experts, Winery visit and tasting etc. Majority of the wines I picked can cellar for 5 to 10 years at least and 50% of them is Australia Shiraz.

Yes, I did consider to get a Fondis, where can I find more information about it? Do they have a web site??

By the way , how you record your wine. I am considering to purchase the software progame released by Winestate magazine. Anyone tried it before and what is the comment on it?

graham · Post by **graham** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 12:45 pm

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Yes, I did consider to get a Fondis, where can I find more information about it? Do they have a web site??

By the way , how you record your wine. I am considering to purchase the software progame released by Winestate magazine. Anyone tried it before and what is the comment on it?[/quote]

As for the Fondis, there is an Australian supplier - I'll get the details tonight and email you tomorrow.

I just use an excell spread sheet for my record keeping. I've tried the Red Bigots program - it's very very good and very free

Give it a look before you spend money
http://users.tpg.com.au/handreck/

DJ · Post by DJ » Thu Jun 10, 2004 4:36 pm

Fondis' website is:
http://www.fondis.com/fondis/frames/wine_uk.htm
It's a bit out of date though - the C15 has been replaced with the C18. The Australian Agent is Laurie Bilsborough his company is
Cellar Solutions
North Balgowlah NSW 2093
ph: (02) 9948 6347

I'm trying to save up for a Fondis having built the cellar 18 months ago - trouble is I keep spending my Fondis money on wine :roll:

David

jacques · Post by **jacques** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 12:08 am

DJ wrote:Fondis' website is:
http://www.fondis.com/fondis/frames/wine_uk.htm
It's a bit out of date though - the C15 has been replaced with the C18. The Australian Agent is Laurie Bilsborough his company is
Cellar Solutions
North Balgowlah NSW 2093
ph: (02) 9948 6347

I'm trying to save up for a Fondis having built the cellar 18 months ago - trouble is I keep spending my Fondis money on wine

David

Thanks for the information and any idea how much will it cost include installation for an area around 80 m3?

jacques · Post by **jacques** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 12:09 am

graham wrote:[quote=

I just use an excell spread sheet for my record keeping. I've tried the Red Bigots program - it's very very good and very free Give it a look before you spend money
http://users.tpg.com.au/handreck/

I did download the Red Bigots one before but couldn't open it......

graham · Post by **graham** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 8:12 am

The largest Fondis i know is the C50 for 50 Cubic meters....I'm affraid you will have to call them.
Just drop Red Bigot an email...I've had no problems with the download.

Frank · Post by **Frank** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 12:23 pm

jacques wrote:Thanks for the information and any idea how much will it cost include installation for an area around 80 m3?

This is too much space for a Fondis Unit, especially in Brisbane.

I'm getting a cellar built in my garage and having a Kirby refrigeration unit installed. This is an Australian made unit with about 3000W capacity (cf. Fondis C50's 1200W capacity), and the unit can be set to 14C and 65-70% humidity. The cellar is being built by a coolroom company in Melbourne which has built many cellar for wine collectors.

BTW, the Kirby unit is a commercial split system unit, and is more expensive than the Fondis unit.

jacques · Post by **jacques** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 11:20 pm

Frank wrote:
jacques wrote:Thanks for the information and any idea how much will it cost include installation for an area around 80 m3?

This is too much space for a Fondis Unit, especially in Brisbane.

I'm getting a cellar built in my garage and having a Kirby refrigeration unit installed. This is an Australian made unit with about 3000W capacity (cf. Fondis C50's 1200W capacity), and the unit can be set to 14C and 65-70% humidity. The cellar is being built by a coolroom company in Melbourne which has built many cellar for wine collectors.

BTW, the Kirby unit is a commercial split system unit, and is more expensive than the Fondis unit.

So how much is your Kirby cost you??

Frank · Post by **Frank** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 10:19 am

The Kirby unit will be about $6000, including compressor, fan & computer controller.

I don't have an itemised quote, and the whole system will be assembled with the cellar. I could tell you more (incl. model numbers, etc.) when the cellar is built in about 2 weeks.

Frank.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Jun 20, 2004 5:21 pm

For all you Sydneysiders:

Quirks Commercial Refrigeration has an auction at 10.30 an, Thursday June 24 on site: 198 Power St Glendenning.

I quote the ad: "Over 800 units of new an refurbished 1, 2, 3 glass door refrigerators, from 50 lts to 1300 lts including Brands, Skope etc, 500 single door drink display units plus bar type to 3 door. Superb opportunity to buy quality refrigeration units on auction terms. Inspection Day prior 12 - 4 pm. Enquiries Deans Barnier Fox Auction Services, Ph 02 9737 0008"
Note: I have no connections with either firm, Just noticed their ad in the SMH.
Prior to last summer I installed a used commercial display fridge (2 door) in a friends garage. Its thermostat allowed it to be turned down to 14 C. Also the On-Off cycle time could be set. It worked perfectly all during last summer. Temperature in the garage 25 - 30 deg C yet inside fridge a steady 16 C. For humidity regulation we just used a drip tray inside the cabinet to collect the condensed water and let it evaporate again. The cost for the fridge was $ 1200 which included new compressor and 1 year warranty. Now we just have to manufacture some more shelves.

Walter