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Ozzie W
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Cellar breakdown by region

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asajoseph wrote:Be keen to ask the same question but by country / region, rather than variety.

I'm sure it's been done before though...
A great question, so I've started a separate thread for it.


Australia 51.2%
- Victoria 23.2%
- South Australia 14.8%
- Western Australia 7.4%
- Tasmania 3.0%
- New South Wales 2.7%
Italy 32.2%
- Piedmont 17.0%
- Sicily 13.2%
- Tuscany 1.4%
- Lombardia 0.4%
- Umbria 0.1%
- Veneto 0.1%
France 13.7%
- Burgundy 8.0%
- Champagne 3.8%
- Bordeaux 1.0%
- Rhône 0.6%
- Southwest France 0.1%
- Loire Valley 0.1%
- Jura 0.1%
Spain 1.0%
- La Rioja 0.8%
- Castilla y León 0.1%
- Catalunya 0.1%
New Zealand 0.9%
- South Island 0.7%
- North Island 0.2%
Germany 0.1%
Lebanon 0.1%
Portugal 0.1%

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Thanks Ozzie - doing my dirty work for me! Be rude if I didn't do the same then...

France - 41.3%
- Bordeaux - 32.2%
- Rhone - 9.1%

Italy - 21.6%
- Piedmont - 15.5%
- Tuscany - 4.9%
- Campania - 1.3%

Australia - 19.7%
- SA - 12.1%
- NSW - 3.6%
- WA - 2.5%
- Vic - 1.5%

Germany - 7.6%
- Mosel Saar Ruwer - 7.6%

South Africa - 2.8%
- Coastal Region - 2.8%

Lebanon - 2.5%
- Bekaa Valley - 2.5%

Spain - 2.5%
- Rioja - 2.5%

Chile - 1.3%
- Aconcagua Valley - 1.3%

Canada - 0.2%
- BC - 0.2%

Portugal - 0.2%
- Douro - 0.2%

USA - 0.2%
- California - 0.2%

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Cellartracker is a wonderful tool!

Things might actually change around a bit if bottle size were taken into account - a lot of my wine from the Rhone & Tuscany is in larger formats, which would shift things up & down the list, at least from a sub-regional level.

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Only covering anything over 1%

Italy 45.7%
Piedmont 24.8%
Trentino-Alto Adige 5.6%
Tuscany 3.5%
Emilia-Romagna 2.6%
Veneto 2.3%
Sicily 2.1%
Campania 1.4%
Puglia 1.2%
Others 2.3%
France 20.9%
*Burgundy 4.6%
Bordeaux 4.2%
Loire Valley 2.8%
Southwest France 2.1%
Rhône 1.9%
Languedoc Roussillon 1.9%
Champagne 1.4%
Provence 1.2%
Australia 11.4%
**South Australia 6.0%
Victoria 2.1%
Western Australia 1.6%
New South Wales 1.6%
Spain 6.3%
La Rioja 3.9%
Andalucía 1.2%
Others 1.2%
Portugal 6.0%
Beiras 2.3%
Douro 1.4%
Others 2.3%
Lebanon 5.3%
Bekaa Valley 5.3%
Musar 5.3% :mrgreen:
Germany 1.6%
Others 2.6%

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* Good grief. This is the first time Burgs have overtaken Bdx, though it's more Bdx dropping away than any intention to buy lots of Burgs
** Very much not reflecting my drinking habits, but rather a residual effect of buying into the obsession with South Australia many moons ago. It's probably rank it 4th in the Aussie list in terms of what I'd likely buy these days. That said, no regrets about the Wynns wines in the cellar.

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Looking at it this way, I have a very narrow cellar.

Australia 59.8%
New South Wales 28.5%
South Australia 14.9%
Western Australia 8.6%
Victoria 7.8%

Italy 38.1%
Piedmont 32.3%
Sicily 5.8%

France 1.3%
Champagne 1.0%
Bordeaux 0.3%

Germany 0.5%
Mosel Saar Ruwer 0.5%

USA 0.3%
Oregon 0.3%

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winetastic wrote:Looking at it this way, I have a very narrow cellar.
Ha! Anyone would think I didn't like foreign plonk!

Australia 98.2%
  • South Australia 67.3%
    Victoria 19.3%
    Western Australia 5.5%
    New South Wales 5.3%
    Tasmania 0.4%
    South Eastern 0.2%
    Australia 0.2%
France 0.7%
  • Bordeaux 0.6%
    Champagne 0.1%
Italy 0.4%
  • Sicily 0.3%
    Puglia 0.1%
Spain 0.3%
  • La Rioja 0.3%
New Zealand 0.3%
  • North Island 0.2%
    South Island 0.1%
USA 0.1%
  • California 0.1%
I really must get out more.........

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Couldn't be arsed breaking down by region. I use the Cellartracker in my head.

I have the most parochial of parochial cellars. Australia: 89%; France: 8%; Germany: 1%; Italy: 1%; Other: 1%. No USA, no NZ, no Spain.

Oh well, c'est la vin.

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Not much left when you take out the Australian stuff and the port
Australia 77.2%
Victoria 34.1%
South Australia 27.7%
Western Australia 13.5%
New South Wales 2.0%
Portugal 20.4%
Douro 20.0%
Beiras 0.3%
Minho 0.1%
Spain 1.0%
Galicia 1.0%
Germany 0.8%
Rheinhessen 0.4%
Nahe 0.3%
Rheingau 0.1%
Chile 0.4%
Maipo Valley 0.4%
Italy 0.1%
Puglia 0.1%

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Following Ozzie's lead in terms of format. I guess it is true then: All roads lead to burgundy - well for me anyway.......

France 54.1%
- Burgundy 29.0%
- Bordeaux 12.9%
- Rhône 7.6%
- Champagne 2.4%
- Loire Valley 1.1%
- Alsace 0.4%
- Bandol 0.4%

Italy 12.7%
- Piedmont 10.2%
- Tuscany 2.5%

Australia 11.7%
- Victoria 4.0%
- South Australia 7.0%
- New South Wales 0.7%

New Zealand 10.4%
- South Island 4.3%
- North Island 6.1%

Germany 9.3%
- Nahe 4.5%
- Mosel 3.0%
- Rheinhessen 1.8%

Portugal 1.2%

Spain 0.3%

USA 0.3%

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Took a while to work out using Excel.

I think Spain and Germany will be gone by this time next year.

Australia – 46.1%.

South Australia – 18.1%.
Victoria – 11.7%.
Fortified – 7.3%.
Western Australia – 7.6%.
New South Wales – 0.9%.
Canberra – 0.5%.


France – 38.4%.

Burgundy – 28.1%.
Bordeaux – 5.7%.
Northern Rhone – 4.6%.


Italy – 14.7%.

Piedmont – 13.5%.
Brunello – 1.2%.


Spain – 0.4%.

Ribera del Duero – 0.4%.


Germany – 0.4%.

Mosel – 0.3%.
Rheinhessen -0.1%.

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I think Spain and Germany will be gone by this time next year.

Excellent line in the abstract Con.

You clearly have SERIOUS plans.

i shall remain calm, but a little alarmed.

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Australia 83.9%
- South Australia 37.1%
- Victoria 32.9%
- Western Australia 6.9%
- New South Wales 4.7%
- Tasmania 2.2%

Italy 12.5%
- Piedmont 8.5%
- Sicily 2.8%
- Tuscany 1.1%
- Lombardia 0.2%

France 1.3%
- Bordeaux 0.8%
- Rhône 0.3%
- Burgundy 0.2%

New Zealand 0.9%
- North Island 0.8%
- South Island 0.2%

Germany 0.5%
- Baden 0.5%

Greece 0.3%
- Aegean 0.3%

USA 0.3%
- California 0.3%

Portugal 0.2%
- Douro 0.2%

South Africa 0.2%
- Coastal Region 0.2%

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George Krashos wrote:I have the most parochial of parochial cellars. Australia: 89%; France: 8%; Germany: 1%; Italy: 1%; Other: 1%. No USA, no NZ, no Spain.
See above. 98.2%. I think I might win a (booby) prize for most parochial cellar!

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I'm sure most cellars in France & Italy would have a similar split between domestic & imported wine.

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George Krashos wrote:
I have the most parochial of parochial cellars. Australia: 89%; France: 8%; Germany: 1%; Italy: 1%; Other: 1%. No USA, no NZ, no Spain.

Oh well, c'est la vin.
mines pretty close...

Australia 96.7%

South Australia 87.8%
Victoria 5.0%
New South Wales 3.3%
Australia 0.6% (not sure what this is?)

Italy 3.3%

Piedmont 3.3%

Tasmania does not appear - I will fix that in January 2019

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Is it just me, or does anyone else find that South African, Portuguese (excluding Port) & USA wine is incredibly difficult to track down here?

I can maybe understand the US, given the prices, that there may not be enough of a market to bother, but the other two see incredibly scarce.

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asajoseph wrote:Is it just me, or does anyone else find that South African, Portuguese (excluding Port) & USA wine is incredibly difficult to track down here?

I can maybe understand the US, given the prices, that there may not be enough of a market to bother, but the other two see incredibly scarce.
+1

Same for Greece and Eastern European countries. I guess these aren't mainstream wine producing countries and given the alternatives there's little demand.

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Pretty happy with spread of varieties and regions, but I need to shift more old world.

Australia 79%
- New South Wales 23% (60% Hunter Valley Shiraz; 20% Semillon; 10% Hilltops Nebbiolo; some Riesling)
- South Australia 18% (30% Coonawarra Cabernet; 30% Various Shiraz; 30% Riesling)
- Victoria 22% (30% Pinot Noir (Yarra and Geelong); 20% Riesling (Henty); 15% Chardonnay (Yarra); 15% Cabernet (Yarra/Tahbilk); Some Nebbiolo and Shiraz)
- Western Australia 15% (90% Red Bdx Varieties/Blends ; Balance Chardonnay and Gt Southern Riesling)
- Tasmania 1%

Italy 17%
- Piedmont 13%
- Sicily 3%
- Tuscany 1%

France 3%
- Bordeaux 3%

NZ; Austria; Spain; Germany - Odds and sods only

Intent to start cellaring some German Riesling.
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France 51.6%
Champagne 42.7%
Bordeaux 4.8%
Burgundy 2%
Alsace 2%
Rhone 0.1%

Australia 46.4%
SA 38.9%
WA 3.6%
NSW 3.5%
Vic 0.4%

Germany 1%

Italy 1%

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Ozzie W wrote:
asajoseph wrote:Is it just me, or does anyone else find that South African, Portuguese (excluding Port) & USA wine is incredibly difficult to track down here?

I can maybe understand the US, given the prices, that there may not be enough of a market to bother, but the other two see incredibly scarce.
+1

Same for Greece and Eastern European countries. I guess these aren't mainstream wine producing countries and given the alternatives there's little demand.
Take out Barolo and Sicily snd their isn't much Italy going on either. It's so hard to find Italian wines outside of Piedmont, Florence and Sicily in Oz too. Then again it's hard to find anything from NSW in Victorian bottle shops, particularly semillon.

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Australia 48.7%
South Australia 42.3%
Victoria 3.8% Bottles
New South Wales 1.5%
Western Australia 1.1%


Italy 32.5%

Piedmont 29.2% Bottles
Tuscany 3.3%

France 12.1%

Rhône 6.4%
Burgundy 2.2%
Bordeaux 1.8%
Champagne 1.0%
Alsace 0.6%

Germany 2.1%

Mosel Saar Ruwerahe .3%
Pfalz 0.2%
Spain 1.6%
La Rioja 0.9%
Castilla y León 0.6%
Catalunya 0.2%

Austria 1.2%
Niederösterreich 1.2%

Lebanon 1.0%
Bekaa Valley 1.0% Bottles

New Zealand 0.7% Bottles
North Island 0.6% Bottles
South Island 0.0% Bottles
USA 0.0% Bottles
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Australia 72.9%
South Australia 47.8%
New South Wales 9.6%
Western Australia 5.6%
Queensland 4.8%
Victoria 4.6%
Tasmania 0.4%

France 15.7%
Burgundy 9.3%
Rhône 5.6%
Bordeaux 0.4%
Champagne 0.3%

New Zealand 7.1%
South Island 5.0%
North Island 2.1%

Italy 2.5%
Piedmont 2.1%
Sicily 0.2%
Veneto 0.2%

USA 1.2%
Oregon 1.2%

Argentina 0.3%
Mendoza 0.3%

Spain 0.2%
La Rioja 0.1%
Navarra 0.1%

Definitely need to get more Italians in there!

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Stomper wrote:
Ozzie W wrote:
asajoseph wrote:Is it just me, or does anyone else find that South African, Portuguese (excluding Port) & USA wine is incredibly difficult to track down here?

I can maybe understand the US, given the prices, that there may not be enough of a market to bother, but the other two see incredibly scarce.
+1

Same for Greece and Eastern European countries. I guess these aren't mainstream wine producing countries and given the alternatives there's little demand.
Take out Barolo and Sicily snd their isn't much Italy going on either. It's so hard to find Italian wines outside of Piedmont, Florence and Sicily in Oz too. Then again it's hard to find anything from NSW in Victorian bottle shops, particularly semillon.
A shame as there is plenty to enjoy, be it Taurasi in Campania, Teroldego in Trentino, Fumin in Aosta, Montepulciano in Abruzzo, Sfursat in Lombardia, or any number of lesser seen wines. They're hard, but not impossible to find over here, yet I could see it being an impossible challenge in Australasia or much of Asia.

Portugal certainly captured my interest over the last 2-3 years via a friend who lived there for a while. Plenty of misses, but also some great value. Plenty of knob-waving prestige cuvees that lack charm, but also plenty of really solid wines that are a cellaring joy. Vinho Verde was the surprising star for me, with a handful of producers making anything but the battery acid (sweetened or not) that I recall being the reputation. Quinta da Soalheiro might be the best chance of making it south of the equator, and even the basic bottling can open out beautifully at a decade old.

Meanwhile South Africa has become the rising star in the UK, with seemingly endless innovation. I've not explored this new wave at all, with my experience now having been mostly dormant for 15 years. Is the greatest obstacle for South Africa, that it doesn't have enough difference to the Aus/NZ wines in your local market?

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Ian S wrote:
Meanwhile South Africa has become the rising star in the UK, with seemingly endless innovation. I've not explored this new wave at all, with my experience now having been mostly dormant for 15 years. Is the greatest obstacle for South Africa, that it doesn't have enough difference to the Aus/NZ wines in your local market?

Having spent a bit of time in South Africa over the last several years, I have been very impressed with the quality of the wines. They are trending much more towards medium bodied and 13-14% abv only. Some of the Bdx blends from the Western Cape are particularly impressive, while the better Pinotage presents a nice medium bodied alternative to say Grenache. Some good Chardonnay but a bit more hit and miss to my taste. Last weekend I was at a couple of wineries in Constantia and I have to say some of their Savvy B would put the bulk of NZ to shame.

So to say, I actually think they are different to Oz, but I agree probably not enough differently historically to really force their way into the Aussie market.
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A few Champagnes, a few German and French Rieslings and the rest is Australian...boring :roll: :roll:

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phillisc wrote:A few Champagnes, a few German and French Rieslings and the rest is Australian...boring :roll: :roll:

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I think:

80% Australian
10% Italian
7% French
3% German

Hoping to cut back the Australian %age a touch over the coming years.
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Regarding South Africa, from what I've tasted over the years, I wouldn't have thought they were generally akin to Australian wines. Among my friends, when blind tasting, the common refrain was that if one were unsure whether to go new or old world then opt for South Africa. In my book South Africa is not a substitute for Austrralia.

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No idea.
5500 bottles, most of it is French.
I have never bothered to do a stock-take.

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Felix, that's about 15 years of drinking at a bottle a day.

Now that I think about it, maybe I don't have too may wines.

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