2007 long term prospects

[Julio G]

2007 was our wedding year and I am looking to stock up on some special wines that can be enjoyed at anniversaries in 10, 20, 30... maybe 40 years time.

I know Margaret River had a particularly good red vintage and I will likely buy some Cullen, Moss Wood, Woodlands, etc....
It was a tough year for much of the eastern states as I recall but I'm sure there were some good long termers produced. Burgundy and Bordeaux had below average vintages although I have read some encouraging reports about the Rhone reds from 2007.

Anyway, I would welcome any recommendations any forumites may have, red or white.

Cheers

[Jay60A]

Perhaps for the only truly great vintage I'd probably start with 2007s from CnDP which pretty much everyone is acclaiming as a true great smash hit blue chip. Beaucastel 2007 should be nice at both 10 and 20 years. Search around and see if you can get a few bargains like Stephane Vedeau CnDP La Ferme du Monte.
40 years ... good luck. I doubt even the traditional agers like Bdx or Grange will make it.

From Jancis - " ... but with the 2007 Châteauneufs, currently being offered en primeur, the overall quality level was just so high that my scores and tasting notes seemed almost superfluous."
http://www.jancisrobinson.com/articles/a200812245.html

[Julio G]

Thanks Jay... was down your way a couple of weeks ago... the Dysart Arms has a delicious St Aubin on their list... well worth a try.

[Gary W]

Hunter Valley Reds (superb vintage)
Margaret River & Great Southern
Rhone
Sauternes
Vintage Port
Hawkes Bay Reds
Some 07 Coonawarra very good for this Balnaves Tally, Petaluma.
Don't write off 07 Barossa or McLaren just yet either...

GW

[rooman]

German rieslings. The best will go 20,30,40 years.
Hunter V was good. Sadly GW bought up all the available 4 Acres.

[Jay60A]

Thanks Jay... was down your way a couple of weeks ago... the Dysart Arms has a delicious St Aubin on their list... well worth a try.

Dysart Arms down the road in Petersham adjacent to Richmond Park? Richmond is the part of London you live in when you don't want to live in London but don't want to be a country yokel.

PM me if you are around. Have you checked out the Greyhound in Battersea?

... German Riesling 2007 is also a goer .

[Craig(NZ)]

Hunter Valley Reds (superb vintage)
Margaret River & Great Southern
Rhone
Sauternes
Vintage Port
Hawkes Bay Reds
Some 07 Coonawarra very good for this Balnaves Tally, Petaluma.
Don't write off 07 Barossa or McLaren just yet either...

GW

For Hawkes Bay countless will make 10 years. If stored well 07 Te Mata Coleraine should make 20 years. It has great levels of dry extract, good concentration and tannins. Some of the Syrahs too should go that distance but really we have no precedent yet in that regard so would be a anyones educated guess. Im not convinced 07 Le Sol is a 20 year wine (the 02 certainly is!!)

[cuttlefish]

German rieslings. The best will go 20,30,40 years.
Hunter V was good. Sadly GW bought up all the available 4 Acres.

Not to worry about 4 Acres. There will be heaps of excellent 2007 reds from a multitude of Hunter Valley wineries. The Tyrrells stuff is already available.
Watch out for the Meerea Park stuff, anything made by "Thommo", De Iuliis, Chateau Pato, Ferraris (for value), and probably Mount Pleasant premium reds, and any number of smaller makers. I expect the Graveyard will be good, Lakes Folly might have already come and gone...

[rooman]

German rieslings. The best will go 20,30,40 years.
Hunter V was good. Sadly GW bought up all the available 4 Acres.

Not to worry about 4 Acres. There will be heaps of excellent 2007 reds from a multitude of Hunter Valley wineries. The Tyrrells stuff is already available.
Watch out for the Meerea Park stuff, anything made by "Thommo", De Iuliis, Chateau Pato, Ferraris (for value), and probably Mount Pleasant premium reds, and any number of smaller makers. I expect the Graveyard will be good, Lakes Folly might have already come and gone...

I grabbed a couple of 07 magnums along with a mixed case back in March. I will also try for a mixed bag of Meera Park to stack away. Sadly it seems the Tryells Vat 1 is also all gone.

An interesting red from the HV I had recently was the Marsh Estate Sinclair. A friend brought some 2000 recently for dinner. Ovely medium bodied HV red, savoury earth style. Strangely I never see it mentioned anywhere. GW you ever try there stuff when you are up that way?

[Gary W]

The 07 Vat 1 will be released commercially next year or late this. It's a great wine.

Based on the 03,04 and 05 Ch. Pato wines being filthily bretty I'd be avoiding the 2007..unless a major overhall has happened in the winery. All the other 2007 wines Cuttlefish mentions are very good. Lakes Folly still available - very light, fresh and dynamic it is. Picking them quite early these days.

Yes - have had the Marsh wines once or twice. Keeps a low profile with regards to media but good luck to him as he has a good mailing list following.
GW

[Julio G]

Thanks Jay... was down your way a couple of weeks ago... the Dysart Arms has a delicious St Aubin on their list... well worth a try.

Dysart Arms down the road in Petersham adjacent to Richmond Park? Richmond is the part of London you live in when you don't want to live in London but don't want to be a country yokel.

PM me if you are around. Have you checked out the Greyhound in Battersea?

... German Riesling 2007 is also a goer .

That's the one... their food is great as well. The Greyhound was full when we tried to go there.

[Julio G]

I have been keeping my eye out for the release of the 2007 Moss Wood Cab to lay a few down. I thought, for longevity, I might buy a few magnums. Interesting that their 2006 magnum price is 170% higher than their bottle price. Cullen, on the other hand, have a 110% differential which seems to make far more sense. Any thoughts ont this?

[Julio G]

Also, went to a tasting of some 2007 vintage Port the other day... a great vintage in the Duoro it seems.

[Bick]

...Beaucastel 2007 should be nice at both 10 and 20 years...

Exactly what I immediately thought of. Other CdPs from good houses too.

Some of the [Hawkes Bay] Syrahs too should go that distance but really we have no precedent yet in that regard so would be a anyones educated guess.

No precedent for 20-30 years, agreed, but Stonecroft have some previous for wines going 15 years and more. I had a '97 Stonecroft syrah at 12 years of age, and it was still bright and lovely. Given 07 was a stellar vintage in HB, and the Stonecroft was a stunning example and its known for its longevity, I would gamble on a couple bottles of this for the long haul.

Failing these, a good German auslese would be banker, I'd have thought.

[griff]

I have been keeping my eye out for the release of the 2007 Moss Wood Cab to lay a few down. I thought, for longevity, I might buy a few magnums. Interesting that their 2006 magnum price is 170% higher than their bottle price. Cullen, on the other hand, have a 110% differential which seems to make far more sense. Any thoughts ont this?

Tried the Cullen a couple of times but only tried the Mosswood out of barrels. The Cullen is Excellent. I prefer the 2005 but the 2007 is well regarded. The samples of Mosswood I tried were profound but I don't know if that has translated to the bottle. If you want to buy both then simply buy normal bottles of the Mosswood and magnums of the Cullen. Both should do 18 years or even 21 years. Especially under screwcap.

And I am jealous of your ability to taste the 07 ports over there. Wish there were such opportunities here.

cheers

Carl

[Craig(NZ)]

No precedent for 20-30 years, agreed, but Stonecroft have some previous for wines going 15 years and more. I had a '97 Stonecroft syrah at 12 years of age, and it was still bright and lovely. Given 07 was a stellar vintage in HB, and the Stonecroft was a stunning example and its known for its longevity, I would gamble on a couple bottles of this for the long haul.

I tried the 07 le sol when i was in hb a couple of weeks ago. looked a lot better than when i first tasted it on release. 15 years easily i would say, possibly 20

07 stonecroft syrah is another wine i really should buy more of

[odyssey]

Been keeping a keen eye out for 07 Vat 1 and Vat 9... GW mentioned it should be commercially released in this and another thread but still haven't much luck locating any. Any sightings or news? (PS I'm quite surprised if the 07 Vat 1 was commercially released so soon, considering currently stores are seeing 2002 or 2003)

[Red Smurf]

Been keeping a keen eye out for 07 Vat 1 and Vat 9... GW mentioned it should be commercially released in this and another thread but still haven't much luck locating any. Any sightings or news? (PS I'm quite surprised if the 07 Vat 1 was commercially released so soon, considering currently stores are seeing 2002 or 2003)

Make sure you get us some vat 9 when you find them.

Julio mabey a Da Capo Pegau CdP 07 might go all the way.

Red Smurf

[odyssey]

Make sure you get us some vat 9 when you find them.

Tried emailing the North Ryde office about 6 months ago asking about when it would be released and at which retailers.

For some strange reason they referred my message on to the cellar door who, understandably, had no idea what the commercial office was planning... I was thoroughly confused by this time so gave up

[Julio G]

And I am jealous of your ability to taste the 07 ports over there. Wish there were such opportunities here.

cheers

Carl

Carl, if you're jealous of that, don't look at this link. Really looking forward to this... might even see if I can escape with the little urn that belongs to us Aussies!

http://www.bibendum-wine.co.uk/retail/e ... sting_2010

[rooman]

And I am jealous of your ability to taste the 07 ports over there. Wish there were such opportunities here.

cheers

Carl

Carl, if you're jealous of that, don't look at this link. Really looking forward to this... might even see if I can escape with the little urn that belongs to us Aussies!

http://www.bibendum-wine.co.uk/retail/e ... sting_2010

There is something just morally wrong about posting links such as this. There are very few things that appeal to me about living long term in the UK but access to these sorts of events is definitely one of them.

[griff]

And I am jealous of your ability to taste the 07 ports over there. Wish there were such opportunities here.

cheers

Carl

Carl, if you're jealous of that, don't look at this link. Really looking forward to this... might even see if I can escape with the little urn that belongs to us Aussies!

http://www.bibendum-wine.co.uk/retail/e ... sting_2010

That IS good. Is it orderly or does it become a melee?

As penance for teasing you must report back your faves!

Have fun

cheers

Carl

[Hindmarsh]

Though saying 2007 Barossa Wines will age 30-40 years is a stretch, I would argue that a suprising number of the better Shiraz will last longer than the other warmer vintages (eg 2003), though you would have to pick the right winery. Still, with the Hunter being such a great, age-worthy vintage, 12 Graveyards, or Thomas wines would do me nicely!