Better QPR than 2004 Seppelt Victorian Shiraz?

[Jimmy]

I tried the 2004 Seppelt Victorian Shiraz last week and thought it was excellent value at around $12 - $13.

Does anyone think there are many (any) wines out there that represent similar or better QPR at this price point?

Jimmy

[beef]

I tried the 2004 Seppelt Victorian Shiraz last week and thought it was excellent value at around $12 - $13.

Does anyone think there are many (any) wines out there that represent similar or better QPR at this price point?

Jimmy

The QPR of this wine is outstanding. I can't think of any that represent significantly better. There are some which, IMO, are in the same ball-part:

- 2001 Morris Shiraz
- 2005 Warrabilla Cleanskin Durif
- 2004 Pepperjack Cabernet
- 2004 Saltram Mamre Brook Shiraz

Oh, and join the Warrabilla wine club, if only for the introductory 6-pack.

Stuart

[Daryl Douglas]

I tried the 2004 Seppelt Victorian Shiraz last week and thought it was excellent value at around $12 - $13.

Does anyone think there are many (any) wines out there that represent similar or better QPR at this price point?

Jimmy

The QPR of this wine is outstanding. I can't think of any that represent significantly better. There are some which, IMO, are in the same ball-part:

- 2001 Morris Shiraz
- 2005 Warrabilla Cleanskin Durif
- 2004 Pepperjack Cabernet
- 2004 Saltram Mamre Brook Shiraz

Oh, and join the Warrabilla wine club, if only for the introductory 6-pack.

Stuart

Haven't tried the Warrabilla or Mamre Brook(which I think is more like $16-$20 - the Cab is very good) but the Morris is excellent value considering that it's mature but will hold for a few years more. Just tried my first bottle of the Pepperjack Cab 04 on the weekend. It's an easy drinking red, not particularly varietal but yes, good value for $12-$13.

Another to consider is Bleasdale Shiraz Cab 03.

Look out Smithy....... I'm not a wine club member yet but.........

Cheers

daz

[Ratcatcher]

1) daz - I think there's a waiting list.

2) speaking of Bleasdale I was looking for a bottle to make up my 6 at BWS today and spotted their Bremerview Shiraz 2002. I thought - hmm, good price, good vintage, sound winery that'll do, only to find this on a retailers website:

Deep crimson colour with deep crimson hue. Medium body. Delicately perfumed nose, with notes of stewed fruit and spice, followed by an old leather end note. Flavours of stewed fruit and leather. Fine dry tannins, however the fruit on the palate is without staying power. Aftertaste of stewed fruit and spice.
Cellar 1-2 years (2006-2007)
Rating 2.5 stars.

How could they get a 2002 SA Shiraz so wrong? Or is this obviously a bad bottle? The 2000 and 2001 seem like decent wines so what happened in this supposedly better vintage?

[seddo]

I concur with the Bleasdale Shiraz/Cab - top value @ $11.99. Another wine which I have seen @ my local macs for $13 - is the Yalumba Barossa Shiraz - 20-40year wines with a splash of viogner or so says the blurb on the back label.

regards

[Red Bigot]

1) daz - I think there's a waiting list.

2) speaking of Bleasdale I was looking for a bottle to make up my 6 at BWS today and spotted their Bremerview Shiraz 2002. I thought - hmm, good price, good vintage, sound winery that'll do, only to find this on a retailers website:

Deep crimson colour with deep crimson hue. Medium body. Delicately perfumed nose, with notes of stewed fruit and spice, followed by an old leather end note. Flavours of stewed fruit and leather. Fine dry tannins, however the fruit on the palate is without staying power. Aftertaste of stewed fruit and spice.
Cellar 1-2 years (2006-2007)
Rating 2.5 stars.

How could they get a 2002 SA Shiraz so wrong? Or is this obviously a bad bottle? The 2000 and 2001 seem like decent wines so what happened in this supposedly better vintage?

Looks like a Nicks note, 81 points. JO was a little more forgiving with 87 points, but it doesn't look like the greatest result from them, even for a $15 wine. I don't think 2002 was quite as good down south in Langhorne Ck (a bit too cool) as it was further north, so the result is not entirely unexpected.

Vintage generalisations can be very dangerous, even within one state, Coonawarra 2002 (futher south again) was also very cool and difficult, whereas Barossa turned out some pretty good wines in a cooler vintage. And of course good makers can make duds even in good vintages, just as good makers can produce gems in tough vintages (or ordinary makers fluke it).

[winetastic]

My current fallback red:

Mount Pleasant Philip Shiraz ($12-14), current release is 2002, but you can find older vintages in stores from time to time. A good decanting or another few years in bottle are the key to bringing out the best in this wine.

The Mount Langi Billi Billi Shiraz 2003 isnt bad either.

Im guessing you are looking at reds, but if you dont mind a dash of c-thru, Leo Buring Eden Valley Riesling 2005 ($13-14) or Mount Pleasant Elizabeth Semillon 2001 ($11-14) are just the ticket.

[Hacker]

1) daz - I think there's a waiting list.

Not so sure about that. I joined 2 months back with a similar waiting list warning, yet within the week I got my application to join, fast followed by the intro tasting pack. Marketing hype perhaps? No doubt I'll find out soon.....

[Ratcatcher]

Thanks for the info Brian. If JO says 87 then at least it's not almost faulty which I thought the other note indicated.

RE: Philip. Is the 2002 any good. I bought a couple of the 2000 but I thought 2002 was a bit of an ordinary vintage so I have bypassed it waiting for 2003.

[Gary W]

RE: Philip. Is the 2002 any good. I bought a couple of the 2000 but I thought 2002 was a bit of an ordinary vintage so I have bypassed it waiting for 2003.

Buy 2000 or wait for 2003
GW

[winetastic]

Ordinary vintage or not, I do enjoy the 2002 Philip.

GW is the oracle on such things, so listen to him

[Ratcatcher]

Just on another mid-price wine.....

JH rates the 2002 Tahbilk Cab quite well. (The Shiraz as well but the Cab 3 points higher)

Anyone got an opinion on these - the Cab in particular?

[Roscoe]

Taylors Cab Sauv 04 is my qpr pick at present around this price point, and the shiraz is not far behind.