To decanter? I don't think so!

Erez · Post by **Erez** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:45 pm

I know it's petty. I know it's pointless but it still strikes me to the very heart. I would like to make one thing very clear.

The item we use to transfer our wine into before pouring into a glass is a decanter. This is a noun. When we pour the wine from the decanter (noun) into a glass (also a noun) we are said to be decanting the wine. The infinitive of the verb is 'to decant' not 'to decanter' therefore we cannot use the conjugation 'decantering'.

Please. I understand the consumption of alcohol gives us an excuse for most things but appalling grammar should not be one of them.

Red Bigot · Post by **Red Bigot** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:03 pm

Erez wrote:I know it's petty. I know it's pointless but it still strikes me to the very heart.

Hi Erez, welcome to the forum. If this upsets you, then you will be often upset around here, especially if you read Ric's posts!

BTW, this site is run by an online wine retailer too, you may want to check with Gavin about the link to your site in your sign-off, his charges for advertising may be more than you expect.

Craig(NZ) · Post by **Craig(NZ)** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:25 pm

Warning: dont read any of my posts then

disclaimer: I am President of Wine Reviewers who cant spell proper or no what grammer is

Erez · Post by **Erez** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:25 pm

That's a fair enough comment Red. I'll get onto that.

Jay60A · Post by **Jay60A** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:40 pm

Erez wrote:I know it's petty. I know it's pointless but it still strikes me to the very heart. I would like to make one thing very clear.

The item we use to transfer our wine into before pouring into a glass is a decanter. This is a noun. When we pour the wine from the decanter (noun) into a glass (also a noun) we are said to be decanting the wine. The infinitive of the verb is 'to decant' not 'to decanter' therefore we cannot use the conjugation 'decantering'.

Please. I understand the consumption of alcohol gives us an excuse for most things but appalling grammar should not be one of them.

Mmmm ... interesting. Not that I know anything, but it's always more fun to have an opinion based on blissful ignorance! In my view, English (and every other language for that matter) is in a continuous state of evolution. Grammar alas is just one part of this. So Craig is simply the Messiah on this board for the "New Kiwi English".

Actually I believe English written usages are starting to split between formal and informal writing. I see this (and do this myself) every day at work. Just two different styles.

BTW I thought decantering was an jamaican adjective ... as in "de cantering horse" :roll:

Jay.

Erez · Post by **Erez** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:51 pm

Jay,

You can't be serious.

Jamaica that up?

Andrew Jordan · Post by **Andrew Jordan** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:15 pm

Erez wrote:I know it's petty. I know it's pointless but it still strikes me to the very heart. I would like to make one thing very clear.

The item we use to transfer our wine into before pouring into a glass is a decanter. This is a noun. When we pour the wine from the decanter (noun) into a glass (also a noun) we are said to be decanting the wine. The infinitive of the verb is 'to decant' not 'to decanter' therefore we cannot use the conjugation 'decantering'.

Please. I understand the consumption of alcohol gives us an excuse for most things but appalling grammar should not be one of them.

Aren't we flogging a dead horse here?? Come on ... I want to forget all my past mistakes. Erez your name doesn't happen to be Daryl does it??

Gary W · Post by **Gary W** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:37 pm

For someone who is being pedantic about grammar your sentence structure is really quite unorthodox. I also agree that there are informal and formal writing styles.....i.e. all these dots....joining sentences up...is quite common for informal writing.

GW

Red Bigot · Post by **Red Bigot** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:41 pm

Erez wrote:Jay,

You can't be serious.

Jamaica that up?

While we are all being petty and pedantic, can I say I hate Flash intros on web sites, a useless waste of time. Seriously.

Gavin Trott · Post by **Gavin Trott** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:43 pm

Red Bigot wrote:
Erez wrote:Jay,

You can't be serious.

Jamaica that up?

While we are all being petty and pedantic, can I say I [b]hate[/i] Flash intros on web sites, a useless waste of time. Seriously.

Hell yes

especially those with (usually god awful) music in the background!

Hate em, I want the info not the flash!!

:twisted:

There, I feel better now!

Erez · Post by **Erez** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:45 pm

There is informal writing I grant you. There is unorthodox writing and you could put Joyce in that fine category, along with Hunter S. Thomson, Vonnegut Jr., and e.e. cummings. There is also writing that represents regional patois. Then there is writing that is just plain wrong. Words that do not mean what the misguided author intended them to mean and grammar which creates equivocation. Simply because we understand the intentions of the author does not mean we should not point out his mistake. People point out mine daily. I make it a point to thank them for their honesty, insight and courage.

Gavin Trott · Post by **Gavin Trott** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:46 pm

To the main point though, the internet, love it or hate it, gives a voice to all kinds of people.

even me!

I write a lot, and published a lot, and probably read a lot, but I am not, and have never pretended to be, a writer!

I'm a wine enthusiast and wine retailer, but not a writer.

Hence, I'm sure I mangle English pretty regularly, I know TORB and some others do also, but I don't worry too much.

Again, its the info I want

Decant ... decanter... I know what they mean.

Just my 2c worth

camw · Post by **camw** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:49 pm

Erez wrote:Then there is writing that is just plain wrong.

Welcome to the Internet.

Red Bigot · Post by **Red Bigot** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:01 pm

Erez wrote:There is informal writing I grant you. There is unorthodox writing and you could put Joyce in that fine category, along with Hunter S. Thomson, Vonnegut Jr., and e.e. cummings. There is also writing that represents regional patois. Then there is writing that is just plain wrong. Words that do not mean what the misguided author intended them to mean and grammar which creates equivocation. Simply because we understand the intentions of the author does not mean we should not point out his mistake. People point out mine daily. I make it a point to thank them for their honesty, insight and courage.

I thought I made an error once, but it turned out I was mistaken. ;-)

It's not only bad grammar that is misleading around here, stick around and see some of the mis-interpretations that occur.

Andrew Jordan · Post by **Andrew Jordan** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:09 pm

Red Bigot wrote:I thought I made an error once, but it turned out I was mistaken.

It's not only bad grammar that is misleading around here, stick around and see some of the mis-interpretations that occur.

Yeah ... the best one I can remember was that crazy guy that once stated wine can be made to be c-thru as well?? Now that dude was definitely on drugs!

I think we finally convinced him that it was flat lemonade and not really wine! :roll:

Finney · Post by **Finney** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:09 pm

Mmmmm, I fort dis wuz a whine fourarm and knot an inglish fourarm. Weeeeze all no watt Andrew ment.

So get over it and take the english lesson to a forum where it will be appreciated.

:twisted:

Regards

Finney

Erez · Post by **Erez** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:27 pm

So you mean we should perpetuate the cringe? Yeah, well, ok!

TORB · Post by **TORB** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:27 pm

Erez,

Welcome to the forum but if you are looking for perfect English you will be very bloody disappointed and will pull your hair out when you read some of my stuff. So if that offends you, you had better skip my posts.

As far as English is concerned, when I was growing up, swimmers went to a "swimming meeting" to compete; now they go to a "swimming meet."

Language changes and evolves, weather you and I like it or not.

Not all of us are blessed with the ability to produce 100% correct English all the time; some of us have other skills.

Gavin Trott · Post by **Gavin Trott** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:36 pm

TORB wrote:Erez,

Welcome to the forum but if you are looking for perfect English you will be very bloody disappointed and will pull your hair out when you read some of my stuff. So if that offends you, you had better skip my posts.

As far as English is concerned, when I was growing up, swimmers went to a "swimming meeting" to compete; now they go to a "swimming meet."

Language changes and evolves, weather you and I like it or not.

Not all of us are blessed with the ability to produce 100% correct English all the time; some of us have other skills.

Hey

If you're in the US you go to a

swim meet

Andrew Jordan · Post by **Andrew Jordan** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:39 pm

Gavin Trott wrote:
Hey

If you're in the US you go to a

swim meet

.... and you study Math ..... not Maths!

And now Olympic/Commonwealth games teams aren't known as the Australian team or the American team .... but it's now Team America!

TORB · Post by **TORB** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:39 pm

From the weekly what are we drinking thread.

Erez wrote:I am new here and will now consider myself warned about any future grammar cataclysms although I will say that this example is only another in a long line of bastardisations. I should have had breakfast. I might be a little less tetchy.

Not that I have to justify what I write, or how I write it to you, because frankly I don't give a fig if you like it or not; but that post was written with the aid of voice recognition software. I do know the differenced between decanting, a decanter and decanted, but I missed the voice recognition mistake.

Although I could edit it, frankly I couldn't give a toss; if that's the biggest mistake I have made in this life I am doing well.

So Erez, pray do tell us what have you done for your fellow man today, besides nit picking?

Red Bigot · Post by **Red Bigot** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:42 pm

Erez wrote:So you mean we should perpetuate the cringe? Yeah, well, ok!

Erez, you seem to be the one with the cringe, the rest of us can cope with the idiosyncracies of other forumites most of the time without too much fuss. Although, as AJ said, some of us can't understand why people want to drink white wine when there is so much good red around. :shock:

Can I ask whether English is your second language? Converts for some reason seem to be more zealous in religion and language also.

roughred · Post by **roughred** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:06 pm

Hi Jerez,

Might I begin by commentng on your sparkling entree into our little forum; such unquestionable culture, so irresistibly debonair, and rapier wit to boot.......just a small call to attention, we do enjoy on the odd occasion partaking in conversation of a vinous nature and other such whimsy, and tend to derive rather more pleasure from this pursuit than querying matters grammatical.

In summation, as my favourite moustached transvestite was oft heard to utter....cut the crap or i'll come over there and rip your bloody arms off......me lovely.

LL (esq)

TORB · Post by **TORB** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:33 pm

Lennie,

You will be in deep hot excrement with that last post of your; you misspelt "commenting." :shock:

Now go and put on the dunce hat and stand in the corner!

roughred · Post by **roughred** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:50 pm

Aahhh Ric you haven't spent enough time in the North East......'commentng' is simply a regional patois.....no you got me, I can't bullshit my way out of this. Off to the corner.... :roll:

LL

Craig(NZ) · Post by **Craig(NZ)** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:12 pm

For those who care:

http://www.learn-english-grammar.com/

For those who dont:

http://forum.auswine.com.au/index.php

:lol:

Mark Squires · Post by **Mark Squires** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:01 pm

Erez wrote:I know it's petty. I know it's pointless but it still strikes me to the very heart. I would like to make one thing very clear.

The item we use to transfer our wine into before pouring into a glass is a decanter. This is a noun. When we pour the wine from the decanter (noun) into a glass (also a noun) we are said to be decanting the wine. The infinitive of the verb is 'to decant' not 'to decanter' therefore we cannot use the conjugation 'decantering'.

Please. I understand the consumption of alcohol gives us an excuse for most things but appalling grammar should not be one of them.

This is simply an amazingly vicious personal attack out of the blue.

You really need to lighten up or take it elsewhere.

Since TORB also replied to this post, I am really threatened and have to lock down this thread so know one can see how insecure I get when I'm challenged.

Oops, thought this was MY forum. :oops:

Gavin Trott · Post by **Gavin Trott** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:13 pm

Mark Squires wrote:
Erez wrote:I know it's petty. I know it's pointless but it still strikes me to the very heart. I would like to make one thing very clear.

The item we use to transfer our wine into before pouring into a glass is a decanter. This is a noun. When we pour the wine from the decanter (noun) into a glass (also a noun) we are said to be decanting the wine. The infinitive of the verb is 'to decant' not 'to decanter' therefore we cannot use the conjugation 'decantering'.

Please. I understand the consumption of alcohol gives us an excuse for most things but appalling grammar should not be one of them.

This is simply an amazingly vicious personal attack out of the blue.

You really need to lighten up or take it elsewhere.

Since TORB also replied to this post, I am really threatened and have to lock down this thread so know one can see how insecure I get when I'm challenged.

Oops, thought this was MY forum.

Mark Who !!??

:wink:

How's things Mark?

bigkid · Post by **bigkid** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:10 pm

Gee, guys, you're a bit hard on the poor fella. I got the distinct impression there might have been a winking smilie at the end of erez's grammar lesson.

Regards,

Allan

Gary W · Post by **Gary W** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:25 pm

TORB wrote:
Language changes and evolves, weather you and I like it or not.

Not all of us are blessed with the ability to produce 100% correct English all the time; some of us have other skills.

TORB...I hate to point this out at such a time ... but the word you need to use here is whether

GW

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