Daryl Douglas wrote:Plantagenet 01 has been a favourite, the last, remaining bottle under constant threat of f****t I'm gonna drink ya now coz ya were too cheap!
and commit vinfanticide?
Daz, if you have still have an '01 left (and haven't committed wine crime by now - I could be too late with this post) I would highly recommend you leave that bad boy for a good five years. The wine is still rippling its muscles - I think it'll be drinking best in a decade.
Regarding the thread topic, I must admit I'm a Coonawarra fan over WA at this early stage of my drinking career. However, that is in part due to my limited exposure of cool climate cab - it's so much easier finding a $20-$30 warm climate cab off the shelf than cool climate.
Edited Note: If I can source an '02 707 magnum for AU$170, do I buy buy buy?
Cheers,
Fear not big fella, I've resolved to keep the last bottle of Plant CS, and their Shiraz 01 as sacrosanct as my sole bottle of Grange, 96. One of the Dorrien 96s I have will probably go soon though. I'm not a familiar of Wynns BL but chugged through 3 of 6 bottles of 01 recently. Nice wine, more medium than full-bodied, some complexity, so I'll keep the rest for a while, drink'em over the next 6 or so years. A good value ~$20 wine but not at $30.
If you can buy Bin 707 magnums for $170/mag, buy as many as you can afford. Should be an appreciating asset just on vintage and label reputation, though scarcity factor should be considered too.
Presently enjoying a Jacobs Creek Reserve (NOT Limited Release) Shiraz 02 ($12) that I'll finish with antipasto. Good value. I the spirit of this thread, I'll have to try the CS Reserve tomorrow!
Daryl Douglas wrote:Plantagenet 01 has been a favourite, the last, remaining bottle under constant threat of f****t I'm gonna drink ya now coz ya were too cheap!
and commit vinfanticide?
Daz, if you have still have an '01 left (and haven't committed wine crime by now - I could be too late with this post) I would highly recommend you leave that bad boy for a good five years. The wine is still rippling its muscles - I think it'll be drinking best in a decade.
Regarding the thread topic, I must admit I'm a Coonawarra fan over WA at this early stage of my drinking career. However, that is in part due to my limited exposure of cool climate cab - it's so much easier finding a $20-$30 warm climate cab off the shelf than cool climate.
Edited Note: If I can source an '02 707 magnum for AU$170, do I buy buy buy?
Cheers,
Fear not big fella, I've resolved to keep the last bottle of Plant CS, and their Shiraz 01 as sacrosanct as my sole bottle of Grange, 96. One of the Dorrien 96s I have will probably go soon though. I'm not a familiar of Wynns BL but chugged through 3 of 6 bottles of 01 recently. Nice wine, more medium than full-bodied, some complexity, so I'll keep the rest for a while, drink'em over the next 6 or so years. A good value ~$20 wine but not at $30.
If you can buy Bin 707 magnums for $170/mag, buy as many as you can afford. Should be an appreciating asset just on vintage and label reputation, though scarcity factor should be considered too.
Presently enjoying a Jacobs Creek Reserve (NOT Limited Release) Shiraz 02 ($12) that I'll finish with antipasto. Good value. I the spirit of this thread, I'll have to try the CS Reserve tomorrow!
Daryl Douglas wrote:Plantagenet 01 has been a favourite, the last, remaining bottle under constant threat of f****t I'm gonna drink ya now coz ya were too cheap!
and commit vinfanticide?
Daz, if you have still have an '01 left (and haven't committed wine crime by now - I could be too late with this post) I would highly recommend you leave that bad boy for a good five years. The wine is still rippling its muscles - I think it'll be drinking best in a decade.
Regarding the thread topic, I must admit I'm a Coonawarra fan over WA at this early stage of my drinking career. However, that is in part due to my limited exposure of cool climate cab - it's so much easier finding a $20-$30 warm climate cab off the shelf than cool climate.
Edited Note: If I can source an '02 707 magnum for AU$170, do I buy buy buy?
Cheers,
Fear not big fella, I've resolved to keep the last bottle of Plant CS, and their Shiraz 01 as sacrosanct as my sole bottle of Grange, 96. One of the Dorrien 96s I have will probably go soon though. I'm not a familiar of Wynns BL but chugged through 3 of 6 bottles of 01 recently. Nice wine, more medium than full-bodied, some complexity, so I'll keep the rest for a while, drink'em over the next 6 or so years. A good value ~$20 wine but not at $30.
If you can buy Bin 707 magnums for $170/mag, buy as many as you can afford. Should be an appreciating asset just on vintage and label reputation, though scarcity factor should be considered too.
Presently enjoying a Jacobs Creek Reserve (NOT Limited Release) Shiraz 02 ($12) that I'll finish with antipasto. Good value. I the spirit of this thread, I'll have to try the CS Reserve tomorrow!
I just wanted to straighten out a quirk after some debate with a colleague the other night. Could we have some clarity and identification of what actually constitutes a 'cool climate' and 'warm climate' region in Australia? I mean, you would point to Barossa as an obvious warm climate region, yet the Eden Valley next door at higher altitude is more cooler climate style... is Coonawarra colder than Margaret River and/or Mt Barker? Are parts of Victoria classified as the coldest regions? Where does the Hunter and NSW fit into this?
Max ----- Avant d’être bon, un vin doit être vrai
Barossa, Mclaren Vale, Clare and the Hunter are all warm climate. Intermediate would be MR, Coonawarra and Eden with places like the Yarra, Mornington, Pemberton etc being cool. Mt Barker would be coolish (I think.)
This can get quite complicated. Vineyards in the McLaren vale GI are planted at altitudes from 20m - 320m. Some experience a strong maritime influence, some are sheltered and some would fit in the 'Adelaide Hills' profile. The more elevated vineyards experience considerably cooler nights. The harvest timespan for Shiraz in the region is at least six weeks from first to last.
Climate is largely defined by degree days Being average monthly temp-10 deg C
by no of days in the month over the growing period.
Its not what you think.
As Torb says Barossa etc are warm (over 1700 deg days) as is Clare McLaren Vale Rutherglen etc.
Cool is Eden Valley Coonawarra Yarra etc (1600-1700)
There are also plenty of wannabe cool climates who avoid the "stigma " of warm climate.
Who would know that Milawa Central Vic etc are hotter than Rutherglen?
Q:Heathcote and Pyreenes consider hot/cool climate?
Considered cool I think. I always heard Coonawarra described as cool too, but the whole black & white argument of cool vs hot seems pretty bloody arbitrary for mine, given that you get hot spots in cool regions and visa versa.
