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Cascina Luisin
Cascina Luisin is situated in the Rabajà aera in the territory of Barbaresco, with 8ha of vineyards and produces an average of 30,000 bottles pa.

Barbaresco, Rabaja, 2013- Developed colour, quite pale. Pretty florals. Very pretty wine with nice fruit. Ready to go.
Barbaresco, Asili, 2013- Even paler, but slightly darker in character on the nose. Much fuller bodied on the palate. Needs more time.
These were on sale in the UK this summer and I bought 100 or so bottles as the deal so good. I'll only keep a fraction myself.

Their wines can be quite smart - perhaps a little erratic in 2011. They did end up in the bottom of the range in our Asili tasting. Unfair really, warm vintage Barbaresco up against some of the greatest wines of Italy.
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sjw_11 wrote:Delayed and brief notes from a Piemonte tasting focused on 2014, held by Justerini and Brooks at Church House in Westminster on March 21st 2018. I know I am far from the Piemonte expert, but here are my brief notes for what they were worth, in order of tasting. Apologies there are a few sneaky non-BBN wines in the mix!

David Carlone
From the very Northern region of Boca. Apparently a real trail blazer trying to keep this small region alive.

Croatina, 2016- Very fresh, ripe red/purple fruits. Good drinking
Vespolina, 2016- Confection, red lollies, musk with just a hint of interesting depth to the flavour.
Boca, 2014- 85% Nebbiolo, 15% Vespolina. Aged for 2Y in large botti. Sweet, slightly stewed nose. Good length and definition on the palate.
Boca, 2013- This has a hint more funk, and earth. Much more powerful.

Matteo Correggia
Based in Roero, this is a small family run winery.

Roero Arneis, 2016- Fresh, clean. Zippy and refreshing.
Barbera d'Alba, Bricco Marun, 2013- Good depth. Some secondary funk/earthy characters.
Roero, Val dei Preti, 2014- Sweet, pretty red fruits, light florals. Little sweet/one dimensional. Pleasant if slightly simple on the palate.
Roero, Roche d'Ampsej, 2013- Significantly more depth. Bitumen, violets, sweet red fruits. Approachable now with tannins well resolved but should go a bit longer.

Cascina Luisin
Cascina Luisin is situated in the Rabajà aera in the territory of Barbaresco, with 8ha of vineyards and produces an average of 30,000 bottles pa.

Barbaresco, Rabaja, 2013- Developed colour, quite pale. Pretty florals. Very pretty wine with nice fruit. Ready to go.
Barbaresco, Asili, 2013- Even paler, but slightly darker in character on the nose. Much fuller bodied on the palate. Needs more time.

Piero Busso
Based in Neive and has at its core vines planted in the Albesani vineyard opposite the winery as well as parcels in the Gallina vineyard and Treiso's San Stunet. "Winemaking is traditional here, long and slow, up to 45 days maceration on the skins, and ageing is in 25hl slavonian oak casks for two years."

Barbaresco, Albesani-Borgese, 2014- Mid-red. Very fresh fruit driven nose. Masses of tannin and length to turn. Lovely purity of fruit.
Barbaresco, San Stunet, 2014- More pretty nose, some floral elements. Still very primary and fresh. Darker and more backwards on the plate, but oddly less firm in terms of tannin.
Barbaresco, Gallina, 2014- Riper, but also more savoury and backwards on the nose. Great purity of definition on the palate. Firm tanning but manageable today. Mid-term proposition.

Castello di Verduno
Wonderful mis translation from their own website to explain this producer: "The vinbeards followed with attention and expert hand of Franco. Each vines is cure, from pruning until harvest, with a target to get a good product for reach high qualitivity standard of fruit into fisiologique respect of the plant."

Barbaresco, 2015- Pretty floral notes. Very pale/light red. Simple but not unattractive red fruit profile. Drinkable now.
Barbaresco, Rabaja, 2013- Not overly impressive- slightly simple. Very lifted, light red fruit florals.
Barolo, 2014- Darker nose, some tarry notes. Much denser and darker on the palate, but somewhat lacking definition.
Barolo, Massara, 2012- Slightly backwards on the nose. Sweet, simple fruit.
Barolo Riserva, Monvigliero, 2011- A real step up in intensity with lifted, dark floral note. Really rather beguiling but on the darker side of the register. Much cooler and more elegant on the palate than that suggests. Really pretty red fruits, violets. *

Marengo
Marengo is a long-term family owned winery with 6ha, of which 1.2ha is in Le Brunate, a grand cru of La Morra and 1ha in Bricco delle Viole, one of the main crus of the town of Barolo.

Barolo, 2014- Dense, dark nose. Good colour and freshness. Excellent value.
Barolo, Bricco Viole, 2014- More lifted and floral on the nose. Sweet, juicy palate.
Barolo, Brunate, 2014- A little darker, and more assertive. Hard to assess now- needs time.
Barolo Riserva, Brunate, 2012- Quite profound. Still very youthful, dense and muscular. Needs time.
Barolo Riserva, Brunate, 2010- Good dark red colour. More developed and etheral nose. I also wrote "little frayed" with frayed underlined. I have no idea what I meant, but there you go.

Elio Altare
An early experimenter with more modern techniques. Largely organic production, indigenous yeasts, minimal intervention and minimal sulphur.

Barbera, Larigi, 2015- Very fine. Great depth. GBP50/bottle? Tell 'em they are dreaming.
La Villa, Langhe Rosso, 2015- Very fresh. Drinking well now. 85% Barbera/15% Nebbiolo.
Giaborina, Langhe, 2015- Straight Neb. Pretty, fresh, early drinking.
Barolo, 2014- Sweet and sour flavour profile. Quite fresh.
Barolo, Vigneto Arborina, 2014- Better. Very clean, modern nose but with good depth of sweet fruit on the palate.
Barolo, Cerretta Vigna Bricco, 2012- Good, clean, deep. Structured, with a lingering flavour. Lacking character perhaps?

Roberto Voerzio
Probably the most expensive line up of wines on show today. BBR describes them as the "original modernist Barolo estate". Prices are about GBP180/bottle in this tasting offer.

Barolo, Sarmassa, 2014- Mid-red. Not hugely expressive nose. Very lifted and ethereal. Huge power and depth on the palate.
Barolo, Rocche dell'Annunziata, 2014- Simple. I do not get this wine.
Barolo, Cerequio, 2014- Very sappy and stemmy on the nose. Sweet palate. Less modern, more backwards.
Barolo, Torriglione, 2013- Fine.
Barolo Riserva 10 Anni, Fossati, 2008- Much more arresting on the nose. More open. Still needs time.

Giuseppe Mascarello
Well known, traditionalist producer with a long history.

Barolo, Monprivato, 2013- Very clean, modern.
Barolo, Monprivato, 2012- More open and expressive.
Barolo, Villero, 2011- Reductive, but more open and pleasant on the palate.

Fratelli Brovia
A traditionalist producer with vineyards are spread over the Castiglione and Serralunga communes.

Barolo, Unio, 2014- Very intriguing nose. Almost a hint of sweat. Slightly bizarre.
Barolo, 2013- Also slightly unusual and a bit disjointed.
Barolo, Rocche di Castiglione, 2012- Very nice, pretty and elegant wine. Drinking well now.
Barolo, Rocche di Castiglione, 2011- Completely different to the 2012. Drier and more savoury.

Azelia
According to Justerini's this producer has moved away from a large percentage of new oak and towards more traditional methods. Not so many notes here as I was running out of time before the end of the tasting.

Barolo, Classico, 2013- Good.
Barolo, Bricco Fiasco, 2014- Feminine wine. Sandy soils.
Barolo, San Rocco, 2014- Clay soils. No notes but marked as recommended.

And a few random ones from the last tables where I had anything to note:

Paolo Scavino, Barolo Carobric, 2014- Nice, fresh and clean with good depth.
Luigi Oddero, Barbaresco, Rombone, 2015- Very fresh and drinking surprisingly well now.
Luigi Oddero Barolo Rocche Rivera, 2014- Great.
Luigi Oddero Barolo Vigna Rionda 2012- Blah. Stewed.
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michel wrote:
You rock
I am grateful for your insights
I wonder how your palate held up!
No worries Michel... my palate was certainly fatigued by the end!
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Azelia Barolo Riserva Voghera Brea 2001- I mean't to drink this wine over two nights. Popped and poured and letting sit in the glass it was particularly moreish. We drank the wine in a sitting.

Released with longer time in oak ( big botti ) and bottle and from a hilltop vineyard in Serralunga ( down below is Brovia's Ca Mia ). Vines are 75 years old and it's only produced in exceptional years.

Seems dark, foreboding and a little woody at first. Quickly unfolding toward a classic expression of Serralunga. Super concentrated dark fruits- brooding violet-tar notes, dried fruits and Serralunga chocolate, tailing off toward blood-iron, earth and a beam of supporting cedar. Really quite something aromatically, as you know where's its going tomorrow and you know where its going in 10 years! Warm, velvety and powerful in the mouth- which is typical of the vineyard. It's dark again, smokey and inky at times. Complexities emerge, roasted chestnuts, cherries in spices, a sweet blow of menthol and a beautiful rise of ripe, structured tannins.

Better in five.

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2013 La Collina di Dioniso Fabio Oberto Barolo

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14.5% ABV.

A modern style of Barolo from La Morra which is fruit focused. Black fruits, dark cherry, earth, fine tannins. A little too much oak and alcohol heat on the finish for me.

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I’m in Ireland for a month prior to Italy. Wine is quite expensive and Piedmont wine about 30% dearer than HKG. Duty Free is 5L so brought reliable quaffing .

Consistent PdB

PdB 2008- warm red and black flavours . Holding though joyful now

PdB 2010- elegant yet powerful . Hold for 5.

PdB 2011- plump upfront and warm . Hold or drink



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Still, the bread looks good!

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Ian S wrote:Still, the bread looks good!
Coming from Asia the bread is amazing ! I’ve put on a few kg already .

Wine prices in Ireland are just short of Australia for Piedmont and sometimes dearer. Most expensive taxes in the EU due austerity measures I guess .I brought in 10 bottles duty free allowance for two . Was going to extend my holiday here but will cut it short and go to Alto Adige.

Did some research online and “Mary” from Dublin says wine is a luxury item to be heavily taxed so as to finance the bringing in of more refugees . I felt warm and fuzzy having paid 24 euros for a beautiful Vajra dolcetto . 2016 incidentally - looking smart !
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Hi Jamie
If in Dublin, have you been downstairs at Fallon & Byrne? Not the best wine shop in the city, but a lovely cellar shop/wine bar to have some light nibbles and a glass or two of something interesting. The ground floor always used to appeal to me as well, one of those fancy food halls like Peck, Fortnum & Mason etc.

I don't know if you like your beer, but Against the Grain on Wexford st (a 10-15 min walk west from the centre) has a fine range of beers from all over.

As for Mary, wine has always been a little more expensive than the UK / relatively heavily taxed. Of course that wouldn't fit her views, hence trying to take what's been that way for years, and claim it's linked to something she objects to. I rather prefer your attitude.

Should be a nice time of year to go to Alto Adige. I've not been. Trentino is as far north as I've been on the east side. Flying into Verona and then Frecciarossa train north?

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Damned hopeless people adding a few Euros onto a bottle of wine. :D

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In the UK the dolcetto is 12 Euro . Italy 8 Euro .Ireland is 24 Euro ! Not just a few Euros!

I think Mary likes to redistribute other peoples money .
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JamieBahrain wrote:In the UK the dolcetto is 12 Euro . Italy 8 Euro .Ireland is 24 Euro ! Not just a few Euros!

I think Mary likes to redistribute other peoples money .
Even more expensive down under than in Ireland. An online search shows AUD$41.75 if you buy a 12 pack. :x
On the wine list at a Melbourne CBD restaurant for $79.

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Ouch!

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I was mightily impressed with the dolcetto. Vintage quality and a snapshot of the producer . Vajra is kicking goals . Their Barolo is well worth squirrelling away and keep an eye out for their expansion into Serralunga via the Baudana label.
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2016 Ravensworth Nebbiolo

Nebbiolo from Murrumbateman, NSW. 13.5% ABV

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Sweet n' sour cherry, liquorice, Turkish delight, orange rind, walnuts. Gentle dusty tannins and a super-duper long, bittersweet finish. Very approachable now but will age a treat. A less tannic expression of a typical Langhe style Nebbiolo with fruit playing a greater part. An impressive Aussie Nebbiolo.

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A few bottles of PdB Nebbiolo Langhe 2015 which is very approachable and forward , showing its all now , with softer structure than usual . Expected a little more though perhaps hard for PdB to declassify fruit these days.
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I’m in Barbaresco at the moment - too hot for B and B - so enjoying Langhe Nebbiolo from the cracking 16 vintage
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Very sensible
Don't forget the Freisa, Grignolino, Brachetto etc. as well.

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Just had my first mailer from a UK merchant on the 2015 Produttoris (and a teaser on the 2014 Crus) - when do they normally become available down here?

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I picked up my 2013 riservas today in Alba . 2015 normale is on tasting at the Produttori

The guys on wine front seem to indicate 2013 riservas been released here and sold out already . So 2014 riservas a way off yet. 10 months or so?

There will be riservas in 2014 , 2015 , 2016 and 2017 . Hopefully settling down demand driving huge inflation in the region.
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Verdict on the 15s, Jamie?

Every year I seem to get a slightly better offer around the time the Produttoris are released, and buy that instead - as a result, I now feel like I have a bit of a gaping hole in my cellar where these should sit, so need to play catch-up this year. I note that they seem to be incredibly rare in the market down under post-release.

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JamieBahrain wrote:I picked up my 2013 riservas today in Alba . 2015 normale is on tasting at the Produttori

The guys on wine front seem to indicate 2013 riservas been released here and sold out already . So 2014 riservas a way off yet. 10 months or so?

There will be riservas in 2014 , 2015 , 2016 and 2017 . Hopefully settling down demand driving huge inflation in the region.
I saw PdB 2013 Riservas going for 37 euro retail around Piedmont the other week, sometimes quite a bit lower, and a lot of stock around.

Something is not quite right with the Australian situation for these wines - bricks and mortar stores have seen $155, and a few online retailers $149. Hopefully prices and volumes go back to normal in the next few years.

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I see them online with a major retailer at $115 today.

The UK IB equivalent seems to be around $75 (that's 43GBP), so factoring in shipping, WET, Duty & GST, that seems a fairly reasonable price given the protectionist tax regime over here.

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I think the 15 is a buy in normale though the 16 seems to be the must buy. My 15 sample was too warm . I found the aromatics beguiling , a conglomeration of wild fruit jams and goudron , with an airy almond spirit lift that was nice though probably more settled if at correct serving temp . Full and muscular with ripe firm tannins it should drink well in a few years and I’m wondering if it will shut down or always be expressive? A wine of the new normal of the new milinium as the vintage notes say.

The Riserva here for 2013 go from 32 to 50 Euro . Price funny business is wide spread . UK and HKG guilty of unprecedented mark ups .

The region is under siege . Gold Rush like in the vineyards with crazy offers that is spilling over to wine pricing . Barolo is being planted on the highway edges according to a Barbaresco wine maker . It’s happening too fast and seems ugly .
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asajoseph wrote:I see them online with a major retailer at $115 today.

The UK IB equivalent seems to be around $75 (that's 43GBP), so factoring in shipping, WET, Duty & GST, that seems a fairly reasonable price given the protectionist tax regime over here.
That $115 is for 2009 and 2011, not 2013.

For 2013, the 43GBP you are quoting is ex-VAT price after going through wholesale and retail levels. Wind it back with 50% margin through two layers of supply chain and it's 19 GBP ex-cellar. Around Piedmont they are likely buying direct ex-cellar, so 37 euro at retail with VAT is around 20.5 euro ex-cellar.

20.5 euro ex-cellar (exported - doesn't attract VAT) to AUD 140-169 retail is huge, and WET 29% does not explain the full story imo.

Having said that, we all know that the supply chain gouges for some of the top wines, so it's nothing new. We should ust support the wholesalers and retailers who do the right thing by their customers. Fortunately our host here is one of the good guys!

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Last week I attended a dinner and we looked at Barolo’s from 2010.
Started of with a Champagne and an Italian white then looked at 4 brackets of reds, finished of with an Aussie VP and coffee.

All wines showed well except the Burlotto which had a funky cheesy smell to it.
They will all benefit with more time in the cellar.

Wine of the night was between Guiseppe Rinaldi and Cavallotto, both Brovia’s weren’t far behind.

I’m glad I’ve got some 2010’s and will definitely be looking out for more.

2006 Dom Perignon.
White wine ????.

Vajra Bricco delle Viole - 3rd.
Giovanni Canonica Paiagallo - wine of the bracket.
Mirafiore Paiagallo - 2nd.

Giacomo Fenocchio Villero - 4th.
Brovia Villero - wine of the bracket.
Brovia Rocche di Castiglione - 2nd.
Vietti Rocche di Castiglione - 3rd.

G. B. Burlotto Acclivi - 3rd.
Giuseppe Rinaldi 'Tre Tine - wine of the bracket.
Luciano Sandrone Le Vigne - 2nd.

Luigi Baudana 'Baudana - 3rd.
Luigi Baudana Cerretta - 2nd.
Cavallotto Bricco Boschis Vigna San Giuseppe - wine of the bracket.
Giuseppe Mascarello e Figlio Santo Stefano di Perno - 4th.

1975 Hardy’s Vintage Port.

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Just out of interest what stemware is everyone using for their Nebbiolo ? I’m a zalto guy though some Riedel stems designed with help of Gaja a revelation . Side by side the Riedels delivering more aromatic / palate flavour profile similarity and less austerity .

My host had lunch with Roberto Conterno yesterday and he is releasing a Barolo glass with the Zalto design team
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Ian S wrote:Very sensible
Don't forget the Freisa, Grignolino, Brachetto etc. as well.
What about sparkling “Barbaresco” ? Kid you not was gifted a bottle ! 90% Neb from a Barbaresco Cru, 10% barbera. Dry on its own frat with food !
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JamieBahrain wrote:Just out of interest what stemware is everyone using for their Nebbiolo ? I’m a zalto guy though some Riedel stems designed with help of Gaja a revelation . Side by side the Riedels delivering more aromatic / palate flavour profile similarity and less austerity .

My host had lunch with Roberto Conterno yesterday and he is releasing a Barolo glass with the Zalto design team
I use a Pinot glass. Zalto Burgundy when I want to be fancy, otherwise Schott Zwiesel Burgundy.

There's a recent thread on the Beserkers forum titled "Why Doesn't Riedel Have A Dedicated Glass For Nebbiolo?". I guess that gap in the market is about to be filled. How does it differ from their Burgundy glass?

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JamieBahrain wrote:What about sparkling “Barbaresco” ? Kid you not was gifted a bottle ! 90% Neb from a Barbaresco Cru, 10% barbera. Dry on its own frat with food !
Sparkling red, rose or white?

I had a 2009 Erpacrife Nebbiolo Metodo Classico Dosaggio Zero earlier in the year (white bordering on rose). Nice enough, but not worth the entry price.

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