I don't know who imports Ogier into Aus, but find out and buy the stuff... barrel tastings left me speechless (and I am biased against... the winemaker is a NZer )
I would have gone ridiculously long on 2015 Bordeaux, but I figure that you just can't buy everything. So I limited myself EP to less than 10 cases.... proud of myself!!!.[/quote]
I know who imports Ogier in Australia, and I can often get them.
Gavin Trott wrote:I don't know who imports Ogier into Aus, but find out and buy the stuff... barrel tastings left me speechless (and I am biased against... the winemaker is a NZer )
I would have gone ridiculously long on 2015 Bordeaux, but I figure that you just can't buy everything. So I limited myself EP to less than 10 cases.... proud of myself!!!.
I know who imports Ogier in Australia, and I can often get them.
Which Ogier are you specifically referring to?
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Hi Gavin,
across the range they were thrilling, even the whites (some critics have panned Northern Rhone whites in 2015)
the Lancement was as good a Northern Rhone as I saw thru the entire trip down there. Will not be cheap in Aus., I would have thought!!!
I'm ok for supply, can purchase OS and ship to HK, but I just reckon they are well worth chasing down in that vintage.
PS... Southern Rhones in 2015 are also fantastic, but I personally would save my $$$ for the 2016 releases there.... vintage of a lifetime in CNDP, even allowing for the usual French hyperbole.
Have you tried this before or was it a purchase purely out of curiosity? I really liked the wines from Istria when I was there a couple of years ago. I thought the wines by Roxanich were great. That being said I haven't had much love with Malvasia yet.
Definitely a *curiosity purchase, and was originally going to go for a red from them (teran?), but switched to the Malvasia at the last minute.
* part of my commitment in the buying plans for 2018 thread, that I had to move back out of my comfort zone a little more.
12 x Haselgrove 2016 Cul-Stor McLaren Vale Shiraz Cabernets. A blend of shiraz and cab sauvignon and cab Franc. It seems to work with the cab franc adding a lovely perfume.
Carl
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felixp21 wrote:PS... Southern Rhones in 2015 are also fantastic, but I personally would save my $$$ for the 2016 releases there.... vintage of a lifetime in CNDP, even allowing for the usual French hyperbole.
That is good to know. I have seen a few of the 2016 Southern Rhone starting to turn up in email offers.
Last CNP vintage of a lifetime was 2007. Proceed with caution! More so, make sure you know what style of CNP you like and don't be told by someone like Parker.
"Barolo is Barolo, you can't describe it, just as you can't describe Picasso"
JamieBahrain wrote:Last CNP vintage of a lifetime was 2007. Proceed with caution! More so, make sure you know what style of CNP you like and don't be told by someone like Parker.
Agree 100%, we visited CNP as the 2007's were being released. Tried many of them, even the supposed superstars, like Domaine Pegau De Capo and Reservee .... only bought 2006's, 2007 way way way too ripe and alcoholic for me.
Vintage of the century, for Robert Parker, and lovers of his preferred wine styles, very poor wines for me.
JamieBahrain wrote:Last CNP vintage of a lifetime was 2007. Proceed with caution! More so, make sure you know what style of CNP you like and don't be told by someone like Parker.
Agree 100%, we visited CNP as the 2007's were being released. Tried many of them, even the supposed superstars, like Domaine Pegau De Capo and Reservee .... only bought 2006's, 2007 way way way too ripe and alcoholic for me.
Vintage of the century, for Robert Parker, and lovers of his preferred wine styles, very poor wines for me.
JamieBahrain wrote:Last CNP vintage of a lifetime was 2007. Proceed with caution! More so, make sure you know what style of CNP you like and don't be told by someone like Parker.
Agree 100%, we visited CNP as the 2007's were being released. Tried many of them, even the supposed superstars, like Domaine Pegau De Capo and Reservee .... only bought 2006's, 2007 way way way too ripe and alcoholic for me.
Vintage of the century, for Robert Parker, and lovers of his preferred wine styles, very poor wines for me.
Try Try Try before you buy, I reckon.
(just one guy's opinion tho')
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Fully agreed. Try before you buy is always the best option. However in absence of that look past the vintage 'score' and read about how the vintage compared to others, and more specifically how the wines differ from earlier vintages, plus even more importantly, understand what styles appeals to you and which producers are aiming for roughly that style. Your own experiences from prior vintages of a wine can be very useful when allied to a vintage description (especially from the producer). The further you look, the less it's about one hack's opinion and more about finding something that might appeal to your own palate.
Oh, and be wary of Parker's food matching suggestions as well. A young super-ripe magnum of C9dP with sushi isn't everyone's idea of a great match.
JamieBahrain wrote:Last CNP vintage of a lifetime was 2007. Proceed with caution! More so, make sure you know what style of CNP you like and don't be told by someone like Parker.
Agree 100%, we visited CNP as the 2007's were being released. Tried many of them, even the supposed superstars, like Domaine Pegau De Capo and Reservee .... only bought 2006's, 2007 way way way too ripe and alcoholic for me.
Vintage of the century, for Robert Parker, and lovers of his preferred wine styles, very poor wines for me.
Try Try Try before you buy, I reckon.
(just one guy's opinion tho')
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Fully agreed. Try before you buy is always the best option. However in absence of that look past the vintage 'score' and read about how the vintage compared to others, and more specifically how the wines differ from earlier vintages, plus even more importantly, understand what styles appeals to you and which producers are aiming for roughly that style. Your own experiences from prior vintages of a wine can be very useful when allied to a vintage description (especially from the producer). The further you look, the less it's about one hack's opinion and more about finding something that might appeal to your own palate.
Oh, and be wary of Parker's food matching suggestions as well. A young super-ripe magnum of C9dP with sushi isn't everyone's idea of a great match.
Interesting comment Ian
I sat in a Japanese restaurant and watched a Japanese man at the sushi bar
Drink Grange
Eat sashimi
And chain smoke
JamieBahrain wrote:Last CNP vintage of a lifetime was 2007. Proceed with caution! More so, make sure you know what style of CNP you like and don't be told by someone like Parker.
very true Jamie!! 16 is a totally different style to 07, no-where near the ripeness or alcohol levels of that vintage. Very much a throw-back to old-school CNDP, prior to the Parker intervention.
FWIW, I think 07 CNDP is a totally mixed bunch, many are rubbish, some are brilliant. As a whole, not even close to the best vintage between 2000-2010, not even in the top three.
Uh, oh, didn't know 2007 was a ripe vintage in CnDP. I'm sure I bought a bottle or two of Pierre Usseglio though truth be known I didn't pay much for them.
Mahmoud Ali wrote:Uh, oh, didn't know 2007 was a ripe vintage in CnDP. I'm sure I bought a bottle or two of Pierre Usseglio though truth be known I didn't pay much for them.
Mahmoud.
I get the impression it wan't just good weather for ripeness, but at a time when the message was riper is better, ripest is best. Add in the extra lushness expected of the prestige cuvees and they were a recipe for very specific tastes.
1 X 2017 Rockford Black Shiraz
2 X 2015 Rockford Rifle Range Cabernet Sauvignon
3 X 2015 Rockford Sémillon Local Growers
3 X 2014 Rockford Shiraz Basket Press
Pretty darn busy at rockfords but ended up in the overflow cellar door and received very personalised service.
A buddy and I and one other group. Very friendly, excellent service. Wines all very good but I gotta say the Black shiraz could not be denied. Very very good. Last effort I wasn't totally convinced with but today it was the standout.
BP was solid again and the RR right beside it. The Oaked Sem very good value. Prob should've got 6.
Might make a phone call.
Was tempted by turkey flat but thought bugger that lets go home and open some vino.
Went home and cracked a 2011 BP for comparison to today. Doesn't get the plaudits but this a Phat wine.
Yummo.
Hey anyone belong to the Mclaren 570GT at rockfords today.?? Crikey what a weapon...
Some more from Cellar doorfest;
6 X 2016 Black Stump Frankland River Riesling
6 X 2016 Jeanneret Cab Malbec
6 X 2016 Jeanneret Big Fine Girl Riesling
2 X 2015 Kellermeister Black Sash Shiraz
4 X 2014 Kellermeister The Funk Wagon GSM
There's a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.
JamieBahrain wrote:Last CNP vintage of a lifetime was 2007. Proceed with caution! More so, make sure you know what style of CNP you like and don't be told by someone like Parker.
Agree 100%, we visited CNP as the 2007's were being released. Tried many of them, even the supposed superstars, like Domaine Pegau De Capo and Reservee .... only bought 2006's, 2007 way way way too ripe and alcoholic for me.
Vintage of the century, for Robert Parker, and lovers of his preferred wine styles, very poor wines for me.
Try Try Try before you buy, I reckon.
(just one guy's opinion tho')
.
Fully agreed. Try before you buy is always the best option. However in absence of that look past the vintage 'score' and read about how the vintage compared to others, and more specifically how the wines differ from earlier vintages, plus even more importantly, understand what styles appeals to you and which producers are aiming for roughly that style. Your own experiences from prior vintages of a wine can be very useful when allied to a vintage description (especially from the producer). The further you look, the less it's about one hack's opinion and more about finding something that might appeal to your own palate.
Oh, and be wary of Parker's food matching suggestions as well. A young super-ripe magnum of C9dP with sushi isn't everyone's idea of a great match.
The trouble I just don't drink or have enough Chateau NeufdPape to have a view on how various vintages perform across various producers so its a total crap shot. I have half a dozen vintages tucked away but they are all from different producers so I have no idea if the flavour profile is unique to a vintage or a producer.
Hey anyone belong to the Mclaren 570GT at rockfords today.?? Crikey what a weapon...
What colour? Could have been my old one I traded in recently for a Bentley. Kids were complaining about cramped back seat and only 2 doors. Yardy yardy yardy. No pleasing everyone.
In my dreams!!
Carl
Your worst game of golf is better than your best day at work
rooman wrote:
The trouble I just don't drink or have enough Chateau NeufdPape to have a view on how various vintages perform across various producers so its a total crap shot. I have half a dozen vintages tucked away but they are all from different producers so I have no idea if the flavour profile is unique to a vintage or a producer.
However at least you've hedged your bets and given yourself a half dozen 'tasting' bottles.
When I have weak knowledge in a region (most regions!) I do tend to observe CT tasting notes, never taking any one too literally as the variation is significant. However if there are 2-3 tastings notes a year or more, then it can be useful to see a range of opinions. I drank more C9dP in the past than now, and about as much properly old as young / juvenile. My interests moved elsewhere, coincidentally at the time the wines tended to move in an opposite direction to my preferences. C'est la vie, plenty of wines out there to fret over lost loves.
Hey anyone belong to the Mclaren 570GT at rockfords today.?? Crikey what a weapon...
What colour? Could have been my old one I traded in recently for a Bentley. Kids were complaining about cramped back seat and only 2 doors. Yardy yardy yardy. No pleasing everyone.
In my dreams!!
Carl
Heard it take off down krondorf road at a fair clip as I was tasting. Hope the vino was secure in the back.
Where do you put it in a thing like that?
Anywho,
Some Quaffers.
12 X 2016 MUSTER Colombard Pinot Gris. Tried this at cellar door fest. $11 a bottle.
There's a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.