Burgundy 2017 Offline - 9 February - Le Mint
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ok bring out the notes !!
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The Cork Gods of Premox were...not kind 
A whole flight of Leflaive Pucelles wiped out. Another wine so corked I couldn't get the smell out of my nose for 10mins from only a quick smell.
85 Chevillion was the star for me, brilliant wine aging to perfection. Cathiard was very nice also. Chabils was a surprise packet. Greg did notes although not sure how long it will take him to transcribe from Post-It notes
Food/Restaurant space was really good, they were happy to have us there, the owner is a wine lover as well so spent a lot of time at our table chatting about things. Good sized tables and room around the tables. Will definitely go back there.
Sorry for quality of photos, that light behind Red Smurf stuffed me up.
A whole flight of Leflaive Pucelles wiped out. Another wine so corked I couldn't get the smell out of my nose for 10mins from only a quick smell. 85 Chevillion was the star for me, brilliant wine aging to perfection. Cathiard was very nice also. Chabils was a surprise packet. Greg did notes although not sure how long it will take him to transcribe from Post-It notes
Food/Restaurant space was really good, they were happy to have us there, the owner is a wine lover as well so spent a lot of time at our table chatting about things. Good sized tables and room around the tables. Will definitely go back there.
Sorry for quality of photos, that light behind Red Smurf stuffed me up.
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Guys
Thank you for an awesome evening. There was some incredible generosity with the wines people brought along. Having suggested and organised La Mint, I was a little nervous the meal would not come up to standard and match the wine but at least at our end of the table, the consensus was good food and we would all return again. As Dave said above the owner, who grew up in Paris, has a lovely new alternative for us to do offlines at. The table was just the right size for everyone to have three glasses and bottles so that worked well.
All wines that weren't poked were superb but if I was picking favourites, they would include the Chevillon NSG 1985, the Olivier Leflaive Puligny Montrachet 2009, the Corton-Charlemagne Grand Cru Bonneau du Martray which was a first for me and just better and better in the glass the longer it was left alone and any of the reds.
Thank you for an awesome evening. There was some incredible generosity with the wines people brought along. Having suggested and organised La Mint, I was a little nervous the meal would not come up to standard and match the wine but at least at our end of the table, the consensus was good food and we would all return again. As Dave said above the owner, who grew up in Paris, has a lovely new alternative for us to do offlines at. The table was just the right size for everyone to have three glasses and bottles so that worked well.
All wines that weren't poked were superb but if I was picking favourites, they would include the Chevillon NSG 1985, the Olivier Leflaive Puligny Montrachet 2009, the Corton-Charlemagne Grand Cru Bonneau du Martray which was a first for me and just better and better in the glass the longer it was left alone and any of the reds.
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Thanks to everyone for a fun night of banter and generousity, Mark for organising, and Greg for providing me with aged Burg to contribute to his flight.
Favorites for me included the Chevillon, Meursault, Chablis, Bizot and Cathiard.
Favorites for me included the Chevillon, Meursault, Chablis, Bizot and Cathiard.
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I have quite a few Chevillons so if I can avoid more headaches I will look forward to sharing with you all at future offlines.
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Looks like a great night out. Despite the premox..
Whats the dessert there ? Tapioca, pineapple sweet potato
Whats the dessert there ? Tapioca, pineapple sweet potato
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I think looking at the various menus it is...
bittermelon jelly with coconut sago
Sweet potato confit & crisps with ice cream & cinnamon syrup
And the Pineapple bits.
bittermelon jelly with coconut sago
Sweet potato confit & crisps with ice cream & cinnamon syrup
And the Pineapple bits.
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Hacker wrote:I have quite a few Chevillons so if I can avoid more headaches I will look forward to sharing with you all at future offlines.
David
To make up for your demise on the evening I suggest we try to slot in a mini Burgundy offline at Brown Sugar soon for those in the East. Naturally anyone is invited but I'm conscious Brown Sugar is hard to get to for many people hence it's a mini repeat.
Mark
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Late post but thanks for a good night all. Apart from the curse of premox I thought the wines all showed well. Service was really good, location and space were really good. food was good although I thought some dishes were much better than others. I'd go back for sure but would probably prefer to order a la carte or construct our own tasting menu from their options.
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I thought the food was good...Not sure it had the refinement of a degustation...
I thought the amount of chili in the dishes was good, but not well suited to wine tasting...great for the food ...just not great for wine...
I really liked the Mersault Perrieres...It was very typical of what I'm looking for from those wines...hazelnut, minerality, white flowers...
I liked the Chablis as a wine..really odd for a Chablis though...intensity, acidity, biggish mouthfeel but finished like a Chablis..a bit of a weird one.
Both 85s were good..the Chevillon was really in a good spot..The Bizot seemed very atypical for a Vosne but still a pretty good wine...Red Smurf has pulled a few of these out from this producer and they're always pretty interesting.
I liked the Cathiard as well although seemed very atypical for a Chambolle as well...
We've had, as a group, a pretty bad streak of Premox/TCA lately...
I thought the amount of chili in the dishes was good, but not well suited to wine tasting...great for the food ...just not great for wine...
I really liked the Mersault Perrieres...It was very typical of what I'm looking for from those wines...hazelnut, minerality, white flowers...
I liked the Chablis as a wine..really odd for a Chablis though...intensity, acidity, biggish mouthfeel but finished like a Chablis..a bit of a weird one.
Both 85s were good..the Chevillon was really in a good spot..The Bizot seemed very atypical for a Vosne but still a pretty good wine...Red Smurf has pulled a few of these out from this producer and they're always pretty interesting.
I liked the Cathiard as well although seemed very atypical for a Chambolle as well...
We've had, as a group, a pretty bad streak of Premox/TCA lately...
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Better late than never....
I must say this was a very enjoyable Burgundy tasting with a great cross section of wines fit into a good atmosphere. Pretty decent food. Great table, venue and enthusiastic restaurant owner. Thank you for organising this Mark.
On to the wines.
2007 Domaine Dublère Chablis Grand Cru Les Preuses
Colour looks to be an 07 premox case. First smell is very fresh on the nose so no premox here and screw cap has done its work. There is quite a bit of high toast oak so I’m guessing this is where the colour is coming from. It’s not integrating yet and screw cap could have had something to do with this. Fruit is very primary still at lemons and some white flowers. The entry and mid palate is Chassagne like, round and forward but the back end saves it, especially as it warms. That lemon curd thing I like so much from aged Chablis emerges and punchy salinity fills the palate with great acidity. I say to everyone “if you close your eyes and think it’s not from Chablis, it is a great wine”. That pretty much sums up how I felt about it.
Screwcap for Chablis? Very good case for screwcap as long as the oak is under control. So for older oak and stainless producers, they should get on board the screwcap train.
2002 Gagnard-Delagrange Chassagne-Montrachet 1er Cru Morgeot
Nose here is quite sweet, some vanilla lollies intermixed with spices and wild fennel. Bit of nut and liquorice emerge later. Fat entry and the mid palate is a little hollow though the fruit does try to make an appearance as it sits. This wine lacks an acid line unfortunately. Stone fruits are on the back end with the liquorice from the nose but it goes too bitter on the finish which brings alc heat with it. Too old maybe or just how the wine is?
2009 Olivier Leflaive Puligny-Montrachet 1er Cru Les Pucelles
Quite tropical on the nose but with green edges, maybe like an orange blossom. The entry has a nice lightness to it. Green melons and some lime which is interesting but it does lack some intensity here. Saying that, I did enjoy it as it develops more weight for the finish which helps perception of acidity in balance. Just a good wine.
2011 Henri Germain et Fils Meursault 1er Cru Les Perrières
Nice judged reduction here of flint never overpowering the smell of sappy fruit. Good lightness and perception of minerality. Lemon and limes make an appearance. Entry is a joy. Acidity line captures the flavours on its way through plucking them from all parts of the palate taking them to a place called the finish. It has this green apple flavour like great Ambonnay champagne. Wow these 11’ Meursaults are beautiful drinking right now. No need to ever score these wines, just read the notes.
2008 Bonneau du Martray Corton-Charlemagne Grand Cru
First thing I notice on the nose is its quite lean for BdM CC. Not what I have been use to on what I have had so far and I think this threw me a little. Sub tropical, melon, white flower. Palate is less intense. Feminine even for CC? It does have some nice acidity and length. I don’t think I gave this wine enough attention and others liked it more than I.
2005 Domaine Leflaive Puligny-Montrachet 1er Cru Les Pucelles
Premox
2007 Domaine Leflaive Puligny-Montrachet 1er Cru Les Pucelles
Premox
2009 Domaine Leflaive Puligny-Montrachet 1er Cru Les Pucelles
Corked
Wow, shocking run on premox and corked burgs of late. Why do we chase these wines?
....ah, this is why....
1985 Domaine Robert Chevillon Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Les Roncières
Often a forgotten Premier Cru vineyard with Chevillion the master of it with 1ha. Lovely old burg nose, good sweetness turning slightly. Forest undergrowth, leaves decaying over plant matter. Smoked meat with a touch of Brett. You just don’t get this nose anywhere else but Burgundy. The tannin has softened in a spot where I like NSG to be. It’s gone that old leather tannin caress, but still providing length. Got better in the glass as it sat and the acidity seems to strengthen the length. Never a brilliant, loaded, super powerful burg, but oh so good to sit and savour the moment.
1985 Domaine J Coudray-Bizot Vosne-Romanée 1er Cru La Croix Rameau
The vineyard sits on a corner below RSV with a cool little curved limestone retaining wall following the road. Maybe the built up soil here contributes to the downgrade in 1er stature. I have had a shocking rate of corked bottles from this producer but I still persist as he makes lovely rustic old school burgs when they are on. Luckily this one was good. This 85 is quite ripe and big fruited not unlike its neighbour but never the intensity. I often get a bit of brett on this cuvee but this one was unfortunately (for me)....clean. Rustic on the nose in the makers style, spices and macerated dark cherry. There is a floral red rose element bringing a little refinement. The palate is juicy on entry, boysenberry even. Spices run with an acid line but it’s a bit uneven, jumping here and there with the flavours. This causes the wine to lose that juiciness from the entry. A nice wine if you like the style and I do.
2013 Sylvain Cathiard Chambolle-Musigny Les Clos De L'orme
I have had a few village Cathaird from 13’ and they were so tight and closed. This is a little but it’s open enough and enjoyable. Lovely florals below out of the glass. Very dark fruit, a bit extracted. I wrote Cathaird plums, a bit wanky as I haven’t had much but it’s a fruit I often get on Cathaird rather than red fruit. Acid is good. Not bad line but length is very long and the star.
2005 Prince Florent de Merode Corton-Bressandes Grand Cru
I’m not liking many 05’s I have had lately. They are just too structured and built for the long haul. This one confirms it once again. Not that it is a bad wine, actually very good, but best kept for another time. Drank and did try to enjoy it for what it was.
2005 La Pousse d'Or Santenay 1er Cru Gravières
Horribly Corked. I probably would have babbled on about how they are all tight anyway.
Still have images of the owner of the restaurant trying to bring this wine back to life with his vortex plastic contraption....good luck....
2006 Domaine d'Eugénie Clos Vougeot Grand Cru
Quite dense, very earthy. Sweet black cherry Vougeot fruit on the nose. Stalks provide interest and they are ripe so adding good flavour to the wine rather than green sap. The flavours lack a bit mid palate. Lacks some concentration but it is a pretty damn good burg and I like it.
It has length on the back and is enjoyable drinking and I keep going back for a sip.
2007 Bitouzet-Prieur Volnay 1er Cru Caillerets
Bit lacking on notes here. I wrote only... tight, structured, good in time....
2010 Domaine de la Vougeraie Vougeot 1er Cru Les Cras
Notes really lacking on this sorry. I wrote, lot of smoke and char.
2009 Cecile Tremblay Vosne-Romanée 1er Cru Les Rouges du Dessus (Blind)
Wow, holy s#!t who brought the Spatburgunder? So much gun powder. Blind this was hard to pin down. I remember saying it was probably a natural producer working quite reductively. This vineyard is a small little pocket above Echezeaux. Very small production from Tremblay. Very dark fruit, quite intense actually. Lot of hoisin, dark cherries, earth. Actually loads of earth! It is built very well and in time I think this will be brilliant. Not happy right now.
I must say this was a very enjoyable Burgundy tasting with a great cross section of wines fit into a good atmosphere. Pretty decent food. Great table, venue and enthusiastic restaurant owner. Thank you for organising this Mark.
On to the wines.
2007 Domaine Dublère Chablis Grand Cru Les Preuses
Colour looks to be an 07 premox case. First smell is very fresh on the nose so no premox here and screw cap has done its work. There is quite a bit of high toast oak so I’m guessing this is where the colour is coming from. It’s not integrating yet and screw cap could have had something to do with this. Fruit is very primary still at lemons and some white flowers. The entry and mid palate is Chassagne like, round and forward but the back end saves it, especially as it warms. That lemon curd thing I like so much from aged Chablis emerges and punchy salinity fills the palate with great acidity. I say to everyone “if you close your eyes and think it’s not from Chablis, it is a great wine”. That pretty much sums up how I felt about it.
Screwcap for Chablis? Very good case for screwcap as long as the oak is under control. So for older oak and stainless producers, they should get on board the screwcap train.
2002 Gagnard-Delagrange Chassagne-Montrachet 1er Cru Morgeot
Nose here is quite sweet, some vanilla lollies intermixed with spices and wild fennel. Bit of nut and liquorice emerge later. Fat entry and the mid palate is a little hollow though the fruit does try to make an appearance as it sits. This wine lacks an acid line unfortunately. Stone fruits are on the back end with the liquorice from the nose but it goes too bitter on the finish which brings alc heat with it. Too old maybe or just how the wine is?
2009 Olivier Leflaive Puligny-Montrachet 1er Cru Les Pucelles
Quite tropical on the nose but with green edges, maybe like an orange blossom. The entry has a nice lightness to it. Green melons and some lime which is interesting but it does lack some intensity here. Saying that, I did enjoy it as it develops more weight for the finish which helps perception of acidity in balance. Just a good wine.
2011 Henri Germain et Fils Meursault 1er Cru Les Perrières
Nice judged reduction here of flint never overpowering the smell of sappy fruit. Good lightness and perception of minerality. Lemon and limes make an appearance. Entry is a joy. Acidity line captures the flavours on its way through plucking them from all parts of the palate taking them to a place called the finish. It has this green apple flavour like great Ambonnay champagne. Wow these 11’ Meursaults are beautiful drinking right now. No need to ever score these wines, just read the notes.
2008 Bonneau du Martray Corton-Charlemagne Grand Cru
First thing I notice on the nose is its quite lean for BdM CC. Not what I have been use to on what I have had so far and I think this threw me a little. Sub tropical, melon, white flower. Palate is less intense. Feminine even for CC? It does have some nice acidity and length. I don’t think I gave this wine enough attention and others liked it more than I.
2005 Domaine Leflaive Puligny-Montrachet 1er Cru Les Pucelles
Premox
2007 Domaine Leflaive Puligny-Montrachet 1er Cru Les Pucelles
Premox
2009 Domaine Leflaive Puligny-Montrachet 1er Cru Les Pucelles
Corked
Wow, shocking run on premox and corked burgs of late. Why do we chase these wines?
....ah, this is why....
1985 Domaine Robert Chevillon Nuits St. Georges 1er Cru Les Roncières
Often a forgotten Premier Cru vineyard with Chevillion the master of it with 1ha. Lovely old burg nose, good sweetness turning slightly. Forest undergrowth, leaves decaying over plant matter. Smoked meat with a touch of Brett. You just don’t get this nose anywhere else but Burgundy. The tannin has softened in a spot where I like NSG to be. It’s gone that old leather tannin caress, but still providing length. Got better in the glass as it sat and the acidity seems to strengthen the length. Never a brilliant, loaded, super powerful burg, but oh so good to sit and savour the moment.
1985 Domaine J Coudray-Bizot Vosne-Romanée 1er Cru La Croix Rameau
The vineyard sits on a corner below RSV with a cool little curved limestone retaining wall following the road. Maybe the built up soil here contributes to the downgrade in 1er stature. I have had a shocking rate of corked bottles from this producer but I still persist as he makes lovely rustic old school burgs when they are on. Luckily this one was good. This 85 is quite ripe and big fruited not unlike its neighbour but never the intensity. I often get a bit of brett on this cuvee but this one was unfortunately (for me)....clean. Rustic on the nose in the makers style, spices and macerated dark cherry. There is a floral red rose element bringing a little refinement. The palate is juicy on entry, boysenberry even. Spices run with an acid line but it’s a bit uneven, jumping here and there with the flavours. This causes the wine to lose that juiciness from the entry. A nice wine if you like the style and I do.
2013 Sylvain Cathiard Chambolle-Musigny Les Clos De L'orme
I have had a few village Cathaird from 13’ and they were so tight and closed. This is a little but it’s open enough and enjoyable. Lovely florals below out of the glass. Very dark fruit, a bit extracted. I wrote Cathaird plums, a bit wanky as I haven’t had much but it’s a fruit I often get on Cathaird rather than red fruit. Acid is good. Not bad line but length is very long and the star.
2005 Prince Florent de Merode Corton-Bressandes Grand Cru
I’m not liking many 05’s I have had lately. They are just too structured and built for the long haul. This one confirms it once again. Not that it is a bad wine, actually very good, but best kept for another time. Drank and did try to enjoy it for what it was.
2005 La Pousse d'Or Santenay 1er Cru Gravières
Horribly Corked. I probably would have babbled on about how they are all tight anyway.
Still have images of the owner of the restaurant trying to bring this wine back to life with his vortex plastic contraption....good luck....2006 Domaine d'Eugénie Clos Vougeot Grand Cru
Quite dense, very earthy. Sweet black cherry Vougeot fruit on the nose. Stalks provide interest and they are ripe so adding good flavour to the wine rather than green sap. The flavours lack a bit mid palate. Lacks some concentration but it is a pretty damn good burg and I like it.
It has length on the back and is enjoyable drinking and I keep going back for a sip.
2007 Bitouzet-Prieur Volnay 1er Cru Caillerets
Bit lacking on notes here. I wrote only... tight, structured, good in time....
2010 Domaine de la Vougeraie Vougeot 1er Cru Les Cras
Notes really lacking on this sorry. I wrote, lot of smoke and char.
2009 Cecile Tremblay Vosne-Romanée 1er Cru Les Rouges du Dessus (Blind)
Wow, holy s#!t who brought the Spatburgunder? So much gun powder. Blind this was hard to pin down. I remember saying it was probably a natural producer working quite reductively. This vineyard is a small little pocket above Echezeaux. Very small production from Tremblay. Very dark fruit, quite intense actually. Lot of hoisin, dark cherries, earth. Actually loads of earth! It is built very well and in time I think this will be brilliant. Not happy right now.
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Red smurf thank you for the notes. I was wondering if anyone has tried one of the Bouchard Baby Jesus 05 recently. I was thinking of trying one as I seem to have a lot of 05 but after your 05 comments above I may leave it alone for another decade or so.
Mark
Mark
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rooman wrote:Red smurf thank you for the notes. I was wondering if anyone has tried one of the Bouchard Baby Jesus 05 recently. I was thinking of trying one as I seem to have a lot of 05 but after your 05 comments above I may leave it alone for another decade or so.
Mark
our recent GC 05 tastings showed they are not ready yet.
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michel wrote:rooman wrote:Red smurf thank you for the notes. I was wondering if anyone has tried one of the Bouchard Baby Jesus 05 recently. I was thinking of trying one as I seem to have a lot of 05 but after your 05 comments above I may leave it alone for another decade or so.
Mark
our recent GC 05 tastings showed they are not ready yet.
Thanks Michel.
Mark
Ps tasting wines in Rotorua must be an interesting experience. I'm guessing not many TCA failures.
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Some wines probably showing too much hydrogen sulphide I expect.
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rooman wrote:Red smurf thank you for the notes. I was wondering if anyone has tried one of the Bouchard Baby Jesus 05 recently. I was thinking of trying one as I seem to have a lot of 05 but after your 05 comments above I may leave it alone for another decade or so.
Mark
I think the 05 Nuits are only just coming around...Beaunes are likely to take a lot longer...of course this is just a generalization...
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Great notes Wine Smurf. Thanks for taking the time to write them up. He was probably a bit more diplomatic than me on some of the wines.
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rooman wrote:michel wrote:rooman wrote:Red smurf thank you for the notes. I was wondering if anyone has tried one of the Bouchard Baby Jesus 05 recently. I was thinking of trying one as I seem to have a lot of 05 but after your 05 comments above I may leave it alone for another decade or so.
Mark
our recent GC 05 tastings showed they are not ready yet.
Thanks Michel.
Mark
Ps tasting wines in Rotorua must be an interesting experience. I'm guessing not many TCA failures.
ha ha
am currently in Brisbane
i have a lot of cork closures
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michel wrote:rooman wrote:
Thanks Michel.
Mark
Ps tasting wines in Rotorua must be an interesting experience. I'm guessing not many TCA failures.
ha ha
am currently in Brisbane
i have a lot of cork closures
You are still currently showing location as Rotorua. Would make for interesting wine tasting experiences.
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One wine I had considered bring to the offline was a 2007 Benoit Ente Puligny-Montrachet 1er Cru Les Referts but with the high default rate on 2007s so far I thought better of it. Sadly I was spot on. I opened it last night with a friend and it was sadly completely poked. Dark brown, smelly. Grrrrrrrr.
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2007 is not the problem..the problem is with White Burgundy in general...Premox tends to be an issue by producer more so than vintage from what I've seen....as in, certain producers seem to have a higher rate of premox than others....
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Polymer wrote:2007 is not the problem..the problem is with White Burgundy in general...Premox tends to be an issue by producer more so than vintage from what I've seen....as in, certain producers seem to have a higher rate of premox than others....
Sorry to clarify, 2007 is the white burgundy vintage I purchased the most of. Since then I have focused more on Aussie chardonnays if I am buying something other than riesling.
mark
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Ah ok...I thought you just meant it seemed like 2007 had a premox issue..
Unfortunately, White Burgundy has become a bit of a scary thing to buy nowadays...which means a lot of it is being consumed rather young...even at the GC level...
There are probably a few producers I wouldn't be too concerned about...too bad most of them are out of my price range....and it certainly doesn't help when you have and offline w/ two of them and they're both premoxed as well..
Unfortunately, White Burgundy has become a bit of a scary thing to buy nowadays...which means a lot of it is being consumed rather young...even at the GC level...
There are probably a few producers I wouldn't be too concerned about...too bad most of them are out of my price range....and it certainly doesn't help when you have and offline w/ two of them and they're both premoxed as well..
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Great night, really enjoyed Le Mint, thanks Mark for organising!