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It's not often you see a sizeable vertical of any Wendouree label, but I was lucky enough to try these recently at a local wine club event. All of the bottles were sourced from a couple of club Member's private cellars who purchased from Wendouree at release, all were double decanted prior to serving, and served in flights of four.


2011 Wendouree Shiraz, Clare Valley (screwcap): 13.7% alc. Medium to very dark red/purple. Inky nose of black cherries and blueberries at first, becoming more perfumed with choc/mint and cherry stones, a touch of citrus peel; a tart entry leads to a slightly sour, chalky, medium-weight palate of black jubes/pastilles and pepper, finishing long but with a little heat. Some people raved about this wine; I thought it was okay, a good result from an extremely difficult vintage.

2010 Wendouree Shiraz, Clare Valley (screwcap): 14% alc. Medium to dark red/purple. Inky nose but more stony, earthy and lifted than the 2011 vintage, with cherries, pepper, smoky chocolate and lanolin with breathing. A soft entry leads to a palate's that a bit more than medium-weight, with sweeter/softer fruit than the 2011 vintage, some smokiness mid-palate flowing through to the finish. The acidity is sticking out at the moment making the wine a touch hot, unbalanced and awkward; give it time.

2008 Wendouree Shiraz, Clare Valley (screwcap): 14% alc. Medium to very dark crimson with a hint of purple left. The biggest nose of the first flight of four, very ripe, full of violets, choc/cherry, plum and paneforte, a touch of aged soy, cheese and diesel, then dark chocolate and dried herbs with more breathing. A soft entry leads to a smoky, medium to full-weight palate of chocolate and cherries with bright acidity mid-palate, finishing long with surprisingly soft tannins. Attractive, but also I feel this is an early drinker.

2006 Wendouree Shiraz, Clare Valley (cork): 13.6% alc. Medium to very dark crimson. The nose opens very similar to the 2008 vintage, big, bold and ripe with black cherry and plum, eucalyptus and bitter chocolate, lifted and slightly medicinal at times; with breathing there's more paneforte, choc/cherry and violets, soy sauce and shoe polish. A soft entry leads to a big, chewy mid-palate, more tingly, tart and slightly stalky compared to the 2008 vintage, with touches of rum & raisin chocolate and citrus peel, finishing with brawny, chalky tannins. Very ripe and just a little unbalanced, but should come together beautifully with time.

2004 Wendouree Shiraz, Clare Valley (cork): 13.3% alc. Medium to very dark crimson. Very earthy and subdued nose at first with heavy eucalyptus characters, cedar/coconut oak, black cherry and liquorice, but a further whiff of damp cardboard hinted something wasn't right. The cork taint is far more obvious on the palate, which is very dry and earthy, and completely stripped of fruit from the mid-palate to the finish. Bugger.

2003 Wendouree Shiraz, Clare Valley (cork): 13.5% alc. Medium to dark crimson/garnet. Violets, tar, choc/cherry, paneforte, eucalyptus and Earl Grey tea on the nose, some more obvious acetone/nail polish with breathing. The palate's relatively big, approaching full-weight, full of cherry cola and thick, soft tannins that fan out in the mouth, well balanced with a long, soft finish. Like the 2008 vintage it's surprisingly approachable and drinking very well now, not sure it's a stayer though.

2002 Wendouree Shiraz, Clare Valley (cork): 13.7% alc. Medium to very dark garnet/crimson. Bright and breezy nose, Cherry Ripe-like with its choc/cherry and coconut, some herbs, aged soy, lanolin and acetone/nail polish surface with breathing. A soft entry leads to a ripe and earthy palate with tangy rum & raisin and bright acidity mid-palate, finishing minty and slightly hot. Seems disjointed and a little disappointing next to the less heralded 2003 vintage; maybe it will come around?

2001 Wendouree Shiraz, Clare Valley (cork): 13.9% alc. Medium to very dark garnet. Very earthy and very black nose, porty in a good way and almost Touriga-like at times, full of red & black liquorice, shoe polish, wintergreen, smoke/oil and Earl Grey tea. The palate's bright with red and black jubes, medium-weight but also soft and chocolatey with velvety tannins on the finish. Another pleasant surprise, but I'd say it's right at its peak.

1999 Wendouree Shiraz, Clare Valley (cork): 13.7% alc. Medium to almost dark red/garnet. The first wine tonight that appears to exhibit some American oak characters on the nose with obvious bubblegum/vanilla, varnish (VA) and nail polish remover (EA), followed by touches of diesel, peanut brittle and tanned leather. There's sweeter/more primary fruit on the medium-weight palate, black cherry, soy and black tea, with grippy tannins fanning out on the finish, and bright acidity on the rebound. To be honest I was expecting a little more from what should have been a top vintage.

1998 Wendouree Shiraz, Clare Valley (cork): 13.7% alc. Medium to almost dark garnet. Very similar nose to the 1999 vintage, full of aged soy, bubblegum/vanillin oak, boot polish, and a little nail polish remover. A soft entry leads to a full-weight, sweet, tangy and tarry palate with plum, black cherry and black liquorice with a savoury mid-palate and dark chocolate accents, finishing very long. A well developed wine at its peak, the second best wine of the vertical tonight.

1996 Wendouree Shiraz, Clare Valley (cork): 13.5% alc. Medium garnet/brick. Herbal and stocky, with dominant VA and coriander characters, becoming more stocky and mousy with breathing; a sour entry leads to a dry palate with tobacco and no primary fruit, bourbon oak mid-palate, and a dry, minty finish and bitter rebound. A rude shock for what was expected to be one of the top wines of the vertical - I'm not sure if it was the cool vintage or a bad bottle, but this example was well past its best.

1993 Wendouree Shiraz, Clare Valley (cork): 13.6% alc. Medium garnet/brick. Smells badly oxidised right from the first whiff, the bare remnants of honeyed/bourbon oak and boot polish characters at first, turning disturbingly mousy very quickly; the palate's just as badly shot, completely dried out, bitter and devoid of any remnants fruit. This must have died some years ago.

1991 Wendouree Shiraz, Clare Valley (cork): 13.5% alc. Medium to almost dark brick. Lovely development on the nose, comfy leather couch, toasted/tart berries, minty chocolate & a touch of nail polish (Reynella-like at times), engine oil and peanut brittle, eucalypt and ground paprika. The palate's also in great shape, ripe berries on entry leading to a tarry, jubey mid-palate, finishing with long, velvety tannins that are almost Burgundy-like. The best wine of the vertical, a benchmark for Wendouree at its peak.

1989 Wendouree Shiraz, Clare Valley (cork): 13.7% alc. Medium to almost dark brick, slightly lighter than the 1991 vintage. Very oily nose with diesel fumes and VA lift, settling down to reveal cherry cola, old leather and violets. A soft entry is followed by a big build up of acidity mid-palate matched by choc/cherry fruit and coconut oak, finishing long and smoky with grippy but soft tannins and a little heat. For an unheralded vintage this was looking pretty good, not in the same league as the 1991 but much better than expected.

1987 Wendouree Shiraz, Clare Valley (cork): 13.7% alc. Medium brick. The nose is well past its best, leathery and stocky with burnt tobacco and shoe polish, remnants of coriander and honeyed oak; the palate's also seen better days, a tangy entry leading to the remnants of sweet, bourbon oak and tobacco, finishing hot and mousy. DOA.

1985 Wendouree Shiraz, Clare Valley (cork): No official record of the alcohol level, believed to be somewhere between 13.3 and 13.7%. Light to almost medium brick. Opens with boot polish, cedar oak, chocolate and cherry cola, some nail polish remover (EA) adding lift, vegetal characters appearing with breathing. The palate is just hanging in there, it has good weight with grippy tannins running through its length, and a delicate balance of sweet cherry fruit, acid and vanillin oak mid-palate, finishing dry and smoky. Drink up.


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Thanks very much for this Ian, this is a bucket list job, apart from the first three (think I may have an 86), have got the rest.
I have not had anything past the 95 vintage, perhaps I am a slow learner.
I am mildly concerned about a recurring theme in your notes, not concerned with your palate as it appears to be far sharper than mine, however boot polish, nail varnish and old bourbon barrels (even though I drank gallons of Beam as a youngster) don't exactly float my boat.

Is there any possibility that you encountered a number of vintages that weren't actually a true representation of what one would expect?

Again thanks for the notes, another bloody label to look at now that the cellar is slowly being sorted...I might be dead next year as along with the shiraz there are about 10 dozen mixed (cab, shiraz mataro/malbec, pressings etc) spread over about 15 vintages.

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Its hard to get a good one. Keep them for years, then be disappointed! Not fun.
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I seem to remember similar threads on *forum ... does anyone actually and consistently enjoy Wendouree, or is there a 6-month sweet spot between youth and old age at about 18.75 years we all miss. I have one bottle in my cellar ... so easy to say!
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I've enjoyed Wendouree at all of the stages I've had them. To me they're not as harsh as they are to some..I actually really enjoy the texture.... I do think the whole boot polish/bourbon barrel characteristic is pretty normal with Wendouree from what I've seen but I wouldn't say it dominates the wine. I can definitely see why it doesn't appeal to a lot of people but personally I think it is fantastic...

Heck, if people want to sell their older Wendouree I wouldn't mind picking some up.

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Polymer wrote:I've enjoyed Wendouree at all of the stages I've had them. To me they're not as harsh as they are to some..I actually really enjoy the texture.... I do think the whole boot polish/bourbon barrel characteristic is pretty normal with Wendouree from what I've seen but I wouldn't say it dominates the wine. I can definitely see why it doesn't appeal to a lot of people but personally I think it is fantastic...

Heck, if people want to sell their older Wendouree I wouldn't mind picking some up.


Himm, I am one of those people who doesn't like boot polish/nail remover sort of characteristics in wine (all part of VA) may be I should consider off-loading my stock of Wendourees that I collected since 2002 vintage!?! How deep is your wallet Kevin :mrgreen: ?

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Haha....Well to me it all has a little bit of that..but nothing I'd associate with too high a level of Ethyl Acetate....But hey, anytime someone wants to unload some Wendouree I'm interested :).

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Sent all mine off to auction many moons ago - too much VA, too much harsh coarse tannins, too much eucalypt.

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I was at this tasting. I normally think Ian is a bit hard on Wendouree wines, but on this occasion I think that his notes are pretty much spot on.

I am a big Wendouree fan, but after this tasting I wonder whether maybe the Shiraz is just not for me. The Wendouree wines that I have enjoyed the most have been blends, such as a particularly nice 87 cab malbec that I enjoyed with Ian and Chi a few years back.

Maybe it was a root day? :wink:

Just my 2 cents.

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Mark Jappe wrote:I was at this tasting. I normally think Ian is a bit hard on Wendouree wines, but on this occasion I think that his notes are pretty much spot on.

I am a big Wendouree fan, but after this tasting I wonder whether maybe the Shiraz is just not for me. The Wendouree wines that I have enjoyed the most have been blends, such as a particularly nice 87 cab malbec that I enjoyed with Ian and Chi a few years back.

Maybe it was a root day? :wink:

Just my 2 cents.

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For similar reasons, I am also inclining towards cab & cab blends and Malbec.

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Polymer wrote:Haha....Well to me it all has a little bit of that..but nothing I'd associate with too high a level of Ethyl Acetate....But hey, anytime someone wants to unload some Wendouree I'm interested :).


I am very sensitive to VA, a hint of it is OK, it blows off with decanting if it is very low levels anyway but persistent VA totally kills my enjoyment of wine.

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1991 Wendouree Shiraz, Clare Valley (cork): 13.5% alc. Medium to almost dark brick. Lovely development on the nose, comfy leather couch, toasted/tart berries, minty chocolate & a touch of nail polish (Reynella-like at times), engine oil and peanut brittle, eucalypt and ground paprika. The palate’s also in great shape, ripe berries on entry leading to a tarry, jubey mid-palate, finishing with long, velvety tannins that are almost Burgundy-like. The best wine of the vertical, a benchmark for Wendouree at its peak.

I've experienced these type of notes in older Barossa shiraz wines and thought I was crazy. I feel slightly vindicated now :wink:
I swear I can smell the same type of thing with older Greenock Creek AB's.
Thanks for the review and attention to detail. Everyone salivates at the possibility of trying/conducting a vertical like this.
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Thanks for the notes mate!

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I have to say that I was disappointed in the results after reading Ian's notes. I expected much better, and certainly longer lasting. Perhaps many of you are right, the Wendouree blends may be better. For my own part I've never had Wendouree and as far as I know they have never been available where I come from in Canada.

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Had my first Wendouree last weekend actually....[bucket list]
Shared a SM 08 with a friend. He paid around the 70 mark for it i believe.
It was anything but special. To the point that we both shook our heads. Nothing technically wrong but down right boring.
To be fair Clare is not our favoured region by any stretch but the wine was just plain ordinary.
Not sure if that vintage for Wedouree suffered?

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I actually think Wendouree is not liked by a lot of wine drinkers...but those that like it seem to like it a lot...I'm not sure I've heard people call it boring...I've heard people say "It is just not that good" or "I didn't like it"...

By ordinary I'm assuming you mean you've seen wines just like it? If you can give me an example, I'd really like to try it... I think Wendouree is pretty unique....I personally really enjoy the texture and mouthfeel...I also know it is a wine a majority of people will like..they just won't..

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I've always been told those with a "good palate " like Wendouree, and I suspect many people pump its tyres up so they don't look silly, irrespective of whether they actually enjoy it. The 90 and 91 shiraz are ok and i have some left, but for me, these wines will never be desert island stuff. For every true fan of this label, I know three that aren't.

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Mike: as in three people that just don't like it or three people that say they do but don't?

I've seen people wait and wait for Wendourees to hit that point where they will enjoy it....but I'm not sure I've seen too many people say they like it when they don't...plenty on the fence though...

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Polymer wrote:I actually think Wendouree is not liked by a lot of wine drinkers...but those that like it seem to like it a lot...I'm not sure I've heard people call it boring...I've heard people say "It is just not that good" or "I didn't like it"...

By ordinary I'm assuming you mean you've seen wines just like it? If you can give me an example, I'd really like to try it... I think Wendouree is pretty unique....I personally really enjoy the texture and mouthfeel...I also know it is a wine a majority of people will like..they just won't..



Polymer i guess we were basing our judgement on a 'profile label' wine that cost a significant amount of money [for me anyway] and were hoping to experience something with real interest and complexity. All elements seemed in place. Vintage ok, blend we like, bottle condition all good etc. But no wow factor by any means. Im still not sure if the 08 SM is rated well in terms of quality?
I've since got more enjoyment drinking an AH Mike Press '12.
This label certainly has its followers no doubt. Each to their own.

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Polymer wrote:Mike: as in three people that just don't like it or three people that say they do but don't?

I've seen people wait and wait for Wendourees to hit that point where they will enjoy it....but I'm not sure I've seen too many people say they like it when they don't...plenty on the fence though...


Perhaps poorly phrased by me.... 75% of people i know that have had more than a handful of Wendourees at say 10+ years of age say they were underwhelmed in general. In fact the number is probably >75%.... I stopped buying after the 98 vintage.

That said, my opinion means diddly squat if the drinker enjoys them !

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I'd agree with that..There are a good number of people that have Wendouree that end up being really disappointed in it and I think that is fair enough. I don't think the style suits a lot of people...

Ross67: As in you thought the Mike Press was better or you enjoyed it more because one was 13 dollars and one you bought for a lot more than that?

Generally I would say people that don't like Wendouree don't like it because they don't like certain characteristics of it...too much acidity, don't like all the tannins, not enough fruit, etc....But was it different from other wines you've had? Not necessarily different in a good way for you..but different? I can see it not being a wow wine.....but I don't think you mean interest and complexity. I haven't yet heard Wendouree described as boring and simple. Most people agree it is a pretty unique style...both people that enjoy and don't enjoy it can at least agree on that.

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Had a 2000 Wendouree shiraz with a 2010 Rockford BP and an 08 Greenock Creek AB with a few mates a ways back.
We all agreed the BP and Greenock Creek were ahead of the Wendouree.
Having said that,
I'd drink the same trio again as I thought the Wendouree was a nice entree to the following bigger bolder styles.

I think we expect so much of Wendouree considering where it's 'classified' against other high profile wines.
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I've only had Wendouree on about a half a dozen occasions. Mostly offline and therefore mostly in the company of other wines. Not once have I walked away and said ‘I need to get me some of that’.
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Polymer wrote:Ross67: As in you thought the Mike Press was better or you enjoyed it more because one was 13 dollars and one you bought for a lot more than that?

Generally I would say people that don't like Wendouree don't like it because they don't like certain characteristics of it...too much acidity, don't like all the tannins, not enough fruit, etc....But was it different from other wines you've had? Not necessarily different in a good way for you..but different? I can see it not being a wow wine.....but I don't think you mean interest and complexity. I haven't yet heard Wendouree described as boring and simple. Most people agree it is a pretty unique style...both people that enjoy and don't enjoy it can at least agree on that.


With the MP it probably didnt have much to do with $$. Even though i tasted both wines a week apart if i tasted them now both together i know i would be re-pouring the cheaper wine....it just appealed to me more so i guess you would have to say i thought it was better.

Ive had plenty of very good Clares. Some Coppertrails, Oracle, Tim Adams, Knappstein etc. I think it was different from this list of Clare Shiraz ive tasted. I didnt find it overly acidic, overly tannic or low on fruit. As i said earlier i think it was technically sound but certainly lacked something from me filling up my glass and the other 2 tasters on board.

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Yeap...I can see people not liking it. It is definitely different...That's fair enough...

I just want to distinguish between not liking a wine and a wine being ordinary. Wendouree is pretty different from most other wines...I think most people agree you won't find another wine like it..whether or not that is a good thing is up to each individual.

That vs. Mike Press..which is an ordinary wine at an extraordinary price/value. I think for 13 dollars you're getting a wine probably worth 2+ times that. You can find a lot of wines similar to it but at a higher price.

I still have an offer for people wanting to sell back vintages of their Wendouree :).

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One thing I have noted presenting old to adolescent Wendouree to international drinkers is that those who love the wines of northern Italy tend to be fans of Wendouree.
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I love Wendouree for the reason it is different

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JamieBahrain wrote:One thing I have noted presenting old to adolescent Wendouree to international drinkers is that those who love the wines of northern Italy tend to be fans of Wendouree.


That's great news for my palate... but bad for my wallet.

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JamieBahrain wrote:One thing I have noted presenting old to adolescent Wendouree to international drinkers is that those who love the wines of northern Italy tend to be fans of Wendouree.


I can see that being the case...I like Wendouree for many of the same reason I like Barolo and Barbaresco...

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