TN: API Wine Club - Affordable European Wines 13/4/15
TN: API Wine Club - Affordable European Wines 13/4/15
Earlier this month the API wine club hosted a tasting presented by a local independent wine shop with close ties to the club (who I won't name here for obvious reasons), with the theme 'affordable European wines'. To be honest it was with some trepidation that I finally decided to attend after having my reservations about the idea, and my confidence wasn't helped when all the wines were revealed to be under AUD $20 retail. Would there be any genuine bargains or would they be examples of utter rubbish being dumped here cheap? Unfortunately it was the latter: I suspect the wines under screwcap are either shipped over in bulk and bottled here, or made for the massive European supermarket chains and then dumped (not that it particularly matters).
As usual all of the wines were served in the club's XL5 glasses (not that it helped).
2013 Cantina Tollo Pinot Grigio Rocca Ventosa, Molise (screwcap): 12.5% alc. Pale straw with a hint of blush and some spritz on the glass. Very yeasty and rather simple with fresh apple cider, noticeable sulphur/reductive characters with breathing; the palate's just as yeasty, crisp with some banana and pear but also a harsh, bitter finish. The presenter thought this was a good example of a Pinot Grigio style as opposed to a Pinot Gris style; I thought it was an example of the sort of dull industrial swill we should be trying to avoid altogether.
2012 Azienda Agricola Terra d'Aligi Pecorino, Abruzzi (cork): 13% alc. Pale-ish straw/yellow. Sweet nose and palate with honeysuckle, smoke, pear, honeycomb and mouthwatering acidity, a little like Vouvray at times but without the same level of depth/power and interest, some smoky vanilla on the finish (despite it apparently being unoaked). Easily the best of the whites (which is really not that much of an achievement).
2012 Bouchard Aine & Fils Heritage du Conseiller Chardonnay, Vin Pays d'Oc (screwcap): 13% alc. When I first saw the name Bouchard on the label I thought we may have been lucky enough to score an entry-level Bourgogne: my expectations were way, way too high. Medium, brassy yellow. The bouquet and palate are quite bland, lemony and yeasty, very light on fruit and high on acid, a little malo adding some texture but basically the wine is as boring as batshit; it's thin, soulless, lifeless crap that could be just about anything from just about anywhere.
2013 VinNico Export S.L. Tempranillo Valencia Radio Boka, Valencia (screwcap): 13% alc. Medium crimson/purple. Rather sooty and cheesy at first, revealing boiled lollies and cherries, some rhubarb and pepper, becoming more vegetal with breathing; the palate's not bad, it's high in acidity but has just enough fruit to cover it, finishing minty. It's pretty average stuff, but it is ridiculously cheap and at least it's identifiable as Tempranillo.
2012 Delas Frere Cotes du Rhone Saint-Esprit (cork): 14% alc. Medium to dark crimson/purple. Sweet and confected at first, boiled lollies and crushed rocks, but it becomes noticeably green/vegetal and peppery with breathing; the palate's very lightweight with a hot, minty mid-palate and mouthwash characters on the peppery finish. The Guigal Cotes du Rhone is vastly superior for really not that much more, it's a pity it wasn't presented instead of this underwhelming wine.
2013 Maretti Langhe Rosso Barbera Nebbiolo, Piedmont (cork): 13.5% alc. Medium to darkish crimson. Fairly closed nose but there are noticeable cheesy/cheddar and vegetal characters in the background; the palate opens with a bang of sweet raspberries (I assume courtesy of the Barbera) leading to a extremely dry, meaty mid-palate with some black liquorice/black tea, finishing horribly bitter and green. Awfully disjointed and borderline undrinkable.
2011 Finca Rosal Old Vines Monastrell, Yecla (cork): 14% alc. Medium to darkish red. Quite stinky and vegetal nose, boot polish and dirty socks with a dampness in the background; the entry of the palate seems porty and overripe, prune and Earl Grey tea leading to a scalped, damp finish. After examining the corks after the tasting it was clear the bottle served to our table clearly had some cork taint, and I didn't get to try the other.
Cheers,
Ian
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Re: TN: API Wine Club - Affordable European Wines 13/4/15
n4sir wrote:Earlier this month the API wine club hosted a tasting presented by a local independent wine shop with close ties to the club (who I won't name here for obvious reasons), with the theme of “affordable European winesâ€Â.
... Although the price stickers in the picture are a bit of a giveaway ... I always recall this shop doing an annual tasting on this theme in the midst of the normal single producer tastings they do. And it was, in my experience, almost always a pretty woeful line up. The concept of "affordable EU wines" in Aus just inherently limits you to a quality level which is sub-par.
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No hurry to come home with those offerings!
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Strange. Had six of the 2013 Maretti (Langhe Rosso, 70% Barbera, 30% Nebbiolo), including one this week, and nothing like your note's suggestion of green & bitter. Had that Pecorino and it's nothing exciting. The Delas Frere CdR 2012 I've also had and not like your note. Especially mint? Dodgy bottles? Off night? Retailer playing a trick?
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pstarr wrote:Strange. Had six of the 2013 Maretti (Langhe Rosso, 70% Barbera, 30% Nebbiolo), including one this week, and nothing like your note's suggestion of green & bitter. Had that Pecorino and it's nothing exciting. The Delas Frere CdR 2012 I've also had and not like your note. Especially mint? Dodgy bottles? Off night? Retailer playing a trick?
I've also had the '13 Maretti Rosso and found it a perfectly drinkable Italian quoffer. Not a stand out wine, but certainly nothing horribly wrong with it and definitely not green, bitter or undrinkable.
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catchnrelease wrote:pstarr wrote:Strange. Had six of the 2013 Maretti (Langhe Rosso, 70% Barbera, 30% Nebbiolo), including one this week, and nothing like your note's suggestion of green & bitter. Had that Pecorino and it's nothing exciting. The Delas Frere CdR 2012 I've also had and not like your note. Especially mint? Dodgy bottles? Off night? Retailer playing a trick?
I've also had the '13 Maretti Rosso and found it a perfectly drinkable Italian quoffer. Not a stand out wine, but certainly nothing horribly wrong with it and definitely not green, bitter or undrinkable.
Ditto again - the Maretti I've had tasted nothing like that. Acceptable, in fact pretty good VFM, and showed the barbera and nebbiolo components quite nicely for sub $20.
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Wizz wrote:catchnrelease wrote:pstarr wrote:Strange. Had six of the 2013 Maretti (Langhe Rosso, 70% Barbera, 30% Nebbiolo), including one this week, and nothing like your note's suggestion of green & bitter.
I've also had the '13 Maretti Rosso and found it a perfectly drinkable Italian quoffer. Not a stand out wine, but certainly nothing horribly wrong with it and definitely not green, bitter or undrinkable.
Ditto again - the Maretti I've had tasted nothing like that. Acceptable, in fact pretty good VFM, and showed the barbera and nebbiolo components quite nicely for sub $20.
I think we have to agree to disagree on this one guys, another bottle of this appeared at my regular Saturday lunch group and I couldn't drink it. At the end of the day when there were ten other bottles completely drained and people saying there was nothing left, there was still a good two-thirds to three quarters of this leftover.
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Haven't tried this wine, but I can't believe it is 'undrinkable' given the 3 posters opinions and the 3 reviews below. I seem to remember you (Ian) don't like Wendouree and Jamie saying there was a similarity between the two styles of wine. Problem solved?
Ps I love Wendouree and Piedmont wines!"
"A blend of 70% Barbera and 30% Nebbiolo, imported by Fourth Wave Wine. It’s leathery, slightly gamey, savoury and entirely worth your while. Red cherries, fennel seeds and sage with plums laying down the bass line. Has a little rose petal mouth perfume. Bright acid and assertive tannin but not at all foreboding as a youngster. A tough import to compete with at the price." 91 points Jeremy Pringle
"This took a good long while to unfurl in the glass. It really needs a couple of years at least to show itself properly. It tastes of peanut shells, dark cherries, leather, anise, chinotto, various dried herbs. It’s juicy and well balanced but stern and tannic through the finish. I wasn’t sure at first; when I came back a couple of hours later, I was certain. This is fabulous value. And, given some time, will be terrific drinking." 91+ pts Campbell Mattinson
70% Barbera and 30% Nebbiolo indigenous yeast fermented to 13.5% alc., the wine aged 8 months in small French oak and large Slavonian oak, blended and given a further 4 months in large oak casks. Very full, near impenetrable black-red colour. This has an aromatic bouquet with volume and intensity of savoury black berry fruits, black ink, revealing lifted black florals intermixed with tar and funky game complexities. Medium-full bodied, fulsome and up-front flavours of black fruits, tar, ink and game show with ripe lusciousness. The fruit is supported by fine-grained supple, tannin textures and balanced acidity providing good tension and freshness. The funky game elements grow to form a complex melange of sweet and savoury flavours that carry through to a lingering finish. This is a fulsome, funky and gamy Barbera and Nebbilo blend with juiciness and good structure. Match with red game meat dishes over the next 5+ years. 17.5-/20 Oct 2013 RRP $29.9917.5-/20. Raymond Chan Wine Reviews
Ps I love Wendouree and Piedmont wines!"
"A blend of 70% Barbera and 30% Nebbiolo, imported by Fourth Wave Wine. It’s leathery, slightly gamey, savoury and entirely worth your while. Red cherries, fennel seeds and sage with plums laying down the bass line. Has a little rose petal mouth perfume. Bright acid and assertive tannin but not at all foreboding as a youngster. A tough import to compete with at the price." 91 points Jeremy Pringle
"This took a good long while to unfurl in the glass. It really needs a couple of years at least to show itself properly. It tastes of peanut shells, dark cherries, leather, anise, chinotto, various dried herbs. It’s juicy and well balanced but stern and tannic through the finish. I wasn’t sure at first; when I came back a couple of hours later, I was certain. This is fabulous value. And, given some time, will be terrific drinking." 91+ pts Campbell Mattinson
70% Barbera and 30% Nebbiolo indigenous yeast fermented to 13.5% alc., the wine aged 8 months in small French oak and large Slavonian oak, blended and given a further 4 months in large oak casks. Very full, near impenetrable black-red colour. This has an aromatic bouquet with volume and intensity of savoury black berry fruits, black ink, revealing lifted black florals intermixed with tar and funky game complexities. Medium-full bodied, fulsome and up-front flavours of black fruits, tar, ink and game show with ripe lusciousness. The fruit is supported by fine-grained supple, tannin textures and balanced acidity providing good tension and freshness. The funky game elements grow to form a complex melange of sweet and savoury flavours that carry through to a lingering finish. This is a fulsome, funky and gamy Barbera and Nebbilo blend with juiciness and good structure. Match with red game meat dishes over the next 5+ years. 17.5-/20 Oct 2013 RRP $29.9917.5-/20. Raymond Chan Wine Reviews
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redwhiteandrose wrote:Haven't tried this wine, but I can't believe it is 'undrinkable' given the 3 posters opinions and the 3 reviews below. I seem to remember you (Ian) don't like Wendouree and Jamie saying there was a similarity between the two styles of wine. Problem solved?
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Re: TN: API Wine Club - Affordable European Wines 13/4/15
redwhiteandrose wrote:Haven't tried this wine, but I can't believe it is 'undrinkable' given the 3 posters opinions and the 3 reviews below. I seem to remember you (Ian) don't like Wendouree and Jamie saying there was a similarity between the two styles of wine. Problem solved?
Could just be as simple as that's how he viewed the wine..that's what his palate is sensing...
I've tried this wine...I didn't think it was undrinkable but it was just ok. Not bad for the price considering it is an import in AU..but it tastes cheap...I didn't think it was bitter or green..but nothing is to say that isn't how him or his friends viewed it...
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Polymer wrote:I've tried this wine...I didn't think it was undrinkable but it was just ok. Not bad for the price considering it is an import in AU..but it tastes cheap...I didn't think it was bitter or green..but nothing is to say that isn't how him or his friends viewed it...
One man's "just ok" and "tastes cheap" is another man's undrinkable.
Different strokes for different folks (never thought about what that means until I just wrote that then.......)
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Michael McNally wrote:Polymer wrote:I've tried this wine...I didn't think it was undrinkable but it was just ok. Not bad for the price considering it is an import in AU..but it tastes cheap...I didn't think it was bitter or green..but nothing is to say that isn't how him or his friends viewed it...
One man's "just ok" and "tastes cheap" is another man's undrinkable.
Different strokes for different folks (never thought about what that means until I just wrote that then.......)
Cheers
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Yeap...might mean the same thing..might mean something different...although I think given the context, Ian didn't dislike it because of the same reasons I didn't really like it...
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Ian. Thanks for the kind
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This is a tough combination - predominantly barbara with nebbiolo - as it's generally the other way around.
I'd suggest a little time, aeration or the biggest fixer of structurally awkward Italians- food.
I'd suggest a little time, aeration or the biggest fixer of structurally awkward Italians- food.
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