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I sorta know the answer to this already, it varies, alot of you seem to drink 1-4 bottles a week

but i was wondering who you drink it with or is that 1-4 bottles going straight into yourself?

because my girlfriend (future wife) doesn't like wine, and in the future if i were to ever drink a bottle, itll be all by myself, like now

because wine doesnt last for more than 3 nights in my experince, and a bottle has 8.6 standard drinks, i'm downing about 3 standard drinks a day.

and i'm wondering if thats going to negatively affect my health, i've gotten a few responces of people not getting 'beer bellies' but from the amount you guys seems to drink, i've very curious.

also theres the fact that i'm Asian, i dont have alcohol dehydrogenase in my stomach, so the alcohol bypasses that breakdown mechanism, so i also wonder if my liver is working overtime

i was planning to open another bottle today, but i think i'll have to limit myself to a bottle a week

Surely a medical student would have a better idea than most about the affect of moderate alcohol consumption on their health?

On the subject of your girlfriend, given the fact she doesn't like wine, perhaps it is time for a new one?

i know the recommended is 4 standard drinks for a man and 2 for a women, with 1-2 alcohol free days

but the national mouth cancer dudes reckon its 2 for men and 1 for women

A Lordson 'roadblock' this morning!

lordson

Do you get Asian Sunburn or the Asian Flush when drinking?

yeah i do, 90% of asians don't have the Al DOH

Lordson, I think you will find it's the acetaldehyde dehydrogenase, not the alcohol dehydrogenase that causes the problem. I think about half rather than 90% of Asian people have the variant gene. Alcohol dehydrogenase is not in your stomach to any useful extent. It seems like you don't like to read medical texts or wine texts.
Lordson, you present yourself as a naive person. If you want to stay this way, keep wasting your time on fora. If you want to develop as a person, and again you present yourself as a very undeveloped person, turn off your computer, open some books and journals and read. When you are tired of this, go out in the real world.
You are either a wind up (most likely) in which case you should get off the forum, or you are a child in a 22 year old body, in which case this forum will not help you grow up and you should get off it.

lordson wrote:i know the recommended is 4 standard drinks for a man and 2 for a women, with 1-2 alcohol free days

but the national mouth cancer dudes reckon its 2 for men and 1 for women

Well, it was always the stroke and heart attack guys who acclaimed the benefits of alcohol (wine) consumption in the first place, and those conditions are a hell of a lot more common than mouth cancers. Apart from which, there must be an awful lot of the mouth cancer figures affected in one way or another by the smokers. How many non-smokers get mouth cancer as a primary cancer? Stuff all, I'd reckon...

Anyway, you can always drink Hunter semillon - typically around 6.5 std drinks per bottle. Or German Kabinett - nearly dry, and around 5.5 std drinks (9.0%).
cheers,
Graeme

Lordson, keep some clean half-bottles with a screw-cap closure handy, and pour your half remaining bottles into them. With less air in the top of the smaller bottle, they should last a day or two longer. Some say you can refrigerate the leftovers, but I always forget to get it out of the fridge to warm back up...

well the only reason i know about it is that it was mentioned ONCE in a lecture about 3 years ago, so excuse me if i dont remember it exaclty rather than accusing me of being an child, you are the child, just typing anything rather than thinking about what you're really saying

and it IS 90%, that i'm definately sure about

and yeah, i might do that bottle thing

although, when pouring the wine into the smaller bottle, you would be airating that wine quite a bit, so that kind of defeats the original purpose

bah. well theres not a whole lot i can do, just curious who you guys drink with and how much you drink

lordson wrote:...alot of you seem to drink 1-4 bottles a week... i was wondering who you drink it with or is that 1-4 bottles going straight into yourself?

I share a bottle most evenings. I have the 'larger half' so I probably drink about 4 bottles a week. I also like a "nightcap" some nights - a good whisky or occasionally a brandy. I consider that quite restrained of me - but I'm restrained more by cost than health concerns

lordson wrote:i also wonder if my liver is working overtime

I wouldn't worry about it given how little you're drinking. Also suggest you re-read your notes on hepatic physiology before you sit your finals.

lordson wrote:i think i'll have to limit myself to a bottle a week

Shudder.

lordson wrote:well the only reason i know about it is that it was mentioned ONCE in a lecture about 3 years ago, so excuse me if i dont remember it exaclty rather than accusing me of being an child, you are the child, just typing anything rather than thinking about what you're really saying

and it IS 90%, that i'm definately sure about

A quick Google finds:
"People of Asian descent lack the genetic code to let the liver create that second enzyme. According to the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA), about 50 percent of Asians -- including American Indians who apparently share genetic ancestry with Asians -- have a mutation in the gene for aldehyde dehydrogenase, which causes the enzyme to have decreased activity."
"Research from NIAAA suggests 25 percent to 40 percent of Japanese, 25 percent of Han Chinese and 15 percent to 30 percent of Koreans are affected with the deficiency and is less common among Malayo-Polynesian groups and other natives to the Pacific Rim."
From Wikipedia: "Most Caucasians have two major isozymes, while approximately 50% of Asians have only the cytosolic isozyme, missing the mitochondrial isozyme."

"quoting a random unattributed Google-sourced quote reinforces my position. "


someone once said that. cant think who

Red Bigot wrote: 50%

i stand corrected

no bloody wonder half my asian friends dont get the red flush, and the other half do

i was always thinking they were so lucky to be in that 10% group

Craig(NZ) wrote:"quoting a random unattributed Google-sourced quote reinforces my position. "

someone once said that. cant think who

NIAA and Wikipedia aren't attributions enough for you? Sorry, I'll include the links for you next time.

NIAA and Wikipedia aren't attributions enough for you? Sorry, I'll include the links for you next time.

cheers, much appreciated. .....well they would be on a topic i cared about anyway. (whether 50% or 90% of asians get a red flush on drinking probably doesnt quite sit in that category but keep trying)

Craig(NZ) wrote:

NIAA and Wikipedia aren't attributions enough for you? Sorry, I'll include the links for you next time.

cheers, much appreciated. .....well they would be on a topic i cared about anyway. (whether 50% or 90% of asians get a red flush on drinking probably doesnt quite sit in that category but keep trying)

I wasn't really doing it for you.
Just trying to help a poor Asian medical student get a fact straight about his own genetic "siblings", although it obviously wasn't important enough to him to check up on before. And I've got enough Asian friends to be interested in the answer myself.

Red Bigot wrote:

Craig(NZ) wrote:"quoting a random unattributed Google-sourced quote reinforces my position. "

someone once said that. cant think who

NIAA and Wikipedia aren't attributions enough for you? Sorry, I'll include the links for you next time.

Actually if the NIAAA does not know the answer then I'm not sure who would. They are the major funding source (at least in the USA) for research into alcohol related disease spending over $320USD million in their 2007 budget (latest figures)

Mike

Lordson
If you have been a medical student for at least three years, and paying any real attention, you would know that alcohol, like most drugs, is not metabolised to any significant effect in the stomach.
I will be charitable and suggest you have not been paying attention, because you have spent far too much time winding people up in various fora. If I was uncharitable, I would suggest you are misrepresenting yourself.
I suggest you take my previous advice.

lordson wrote: so excuse me if i dont remember it exaclty rather than accusing me of being an child, you are the child, just typing anything rather than thinking about what you're really saying

QED

and i'm wondering if thats going to negatively affect my health, i've gotten a few responces of people not getting 'beer bellies' but from the amount you guys seems to drink, i've very curious.

Many people 'let themselves go' lordson and get a bit obese as they get older whether as a result of too much beer or too many pies. It often happens when people get married or give up hope (some argue it is the same thing)

Probably forum posters are more susceptable than most but that is a gross generalisation. some wine people no doubt get no more exercise than checking their mail box for winery mailers and couldnt run a mile without wheezing, panting or dreaming of cream donuts

personally i think its all about moderation and balance. enjoy your wine with friends and as a celebration with good food, music and a few laughs

Then have other days on end not touching it and getting some exercise, seeing the world. whether that is running or boxing or throwing stones at passing cars is up to you. Burn calories to match incoming calories? Well thats what they taught me at school anyway, obviously you arent doing sports medicine?

My philosophy anyway. Im running a half marathon in 8 weeks (god knows why) so i better log off and go for a training run before it gets dark

Craig(NZ) wrote:Then have other days on end not touching it and getting some exercise, seeing the world. whether that is running or boxing or throwing stones at passing cars is up to you.

For your information lordson, throwing stones at passing cars is illegal in Australia. You will have to move to New Zealand

Working fly in - fly out means 9 days straight without a drop. Although they do sell Rawson's Retreat at the wet mess.

As I said, 9 days straight without a drop.


I've then got 5 days off to bring the average up to 1-2 bottles per week.

uuurrhhh... CraigNZ, Red Bigot... lordson.
Can't we just all be friends???

It's getting boring, I'm over the pestilent poster and will cease to respond to further topics raised.

Have fun people!

daz

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_does_alcohol_work_so_fast

i knew i was part right

"Alcohol is a drug that enters the bloodstream without being broken down in the stomach by the digestive system."
"However, up to half the alcohol is degraded in the stomach before it passes into the small intestine."
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"the enzyme alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH),"

winetastic wrote:On the subject of your girlfriend, given the fact she doesn't like wine, perhaps it is time for a new one?

A very fair question for wine aficionados. The wine life balance that is fundamental to working relationships and working familiesâ„¢.

Wayno wrote:uuurrhhh... CraigNZ, Red Bigot... lordson.
Can't we just all be friends???

hear, hear

monghead wrote:

Wayno wrote:uuurrhhh... CraigNZ, Red Bigot... lordson.
Can't we just all be friends???

hear, hear

Friends? No. Avoid each other? I'll try.

Red Bigot wrote:

monghead wrote:

Wayno wrote:uuurrhhh... CraigNZ, Red Bigot... lordson.
Can't we just all be friends???

hear, hear

Friends? No. Avoid each other? I'll try.

O-Kay.......