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Howdy All,

Just reading the latest Wine House - Newsletter - 19th February 2008. Noticed a very interesting comment regarding the Yalumba Y series and Hill of Grace.

Quote from Wine house: "An extra special note must be made for the Yalumba "Y" Shiraz, this wine gave everyone bang for the buck as a good BBQ red and earned this comment from one guest... "The Hill of Grace and Yalumba looked very similar." .

Not tasted either wines, however it appears to be a big call. I am curious now as to what the Yalumba "Y" series tastes like?.

Cheers
Leigh

Reminds me of our Grange / JC Reserve 02 Shiraz taste off. Wines, especially blind are often not nearly as far removed as the labels would have us believe...... (or when the tasters are blind for that matter).

Leigh wrote:Howdy All,

Quote from Wine house: "An extra special note must be made for the Yalumba "Y" Shiraz, this wine gave everyone bang for the buck as a good BBQ red and earned this comment from one guest... "The Hill of Grace and Yalumba looked very similar." .

I think this says more about the taster than the two wines.

fivewells wrote:WOW,......

with some Vayinac friends.

I assume you mean "Vayniac"? or is it "Vanyiacs". That's three different spellings for this Vanyerchuk fan club, I'm getting confused. Maybe you should just call yourself Chukkies, just like Trekkies for Star Trek fans?

Leigh wrote:Howdy All,

Just reading the latest Wine House - Newsletter - 19th February 2008. Noticed a very interesting comment regarding the Yalumba Y series and Hill of Grace.

Quote from Wine house: "An extra special note must be made for the Yalumba "Y" Shiraz, this wine gave everyone bang for the buck as a good BBQ red and earned this comment from one guest... "The Hill of Grace and Yalumba looked very similar." .

Not tasted either wines, however it appears to be a big call. I am curious now as to what the Yalumba "Y" series tastes like?.

Cheers
Leigh

Not a great way to sell their back vintages of HoG.

TORB wrote:

Leigh wrote:Howdy All,

Quote from Wine house: "An extra special note must be made for the Yalumba "Y" Shiraz, this wine gave everyone bang for the buck as a good BBQ red and earned this comment from one guest... "The Hill of Grace and Yalumba looked very similar." .

I think this says more about the taster than the two wines.

Stop posting at the same time as me, some people already think we are the same person!

Red Bigot wrote:Stop posting at the same time as me, some people already think we are the same person!

Not people who can spell!

Cheers,

Mark

YES Brian !!

The correct spelling is : Official "Vayniac" and as you noted this is Gary Vaynerchuk’s USA term used in his amazing video / podcast wine show which turns 2 today and it makes Gary Ponder what wine goes well with birthday cake?

Just for fun - all have a look at : http://tv.winelibrary.com/

Great to hear from you Brian / Red Bigot, love your words and your own sites

Geoff

Red Bigot wrote:

fivewells wrote:WOW,......

with some Vayinac friends.

I assume you mean "Vayniac"? or is it "Vanyiacs". That's three different spellings for this Vanyerchuk fan club, I'm getting confused. Maybe you should just call yourself Chukkies, just like Trekkies for Star Trek fans?

I rest my case (see above). On the other hand, Brian, you were right!


cheers,

Mark

silkwood wrote:

Red Bigot wrote:Stop posting at the same time as me, some people already think we are the same person!

Not people who can spell!

Cheers,

Mark

Or, should that be people who have a better command of Australian English and are more conscious of the correctness of the language in their posts.

There are still illiterates who don't have a clue about the difference between a verb and a noun such as those who think decanter is a verb when in fact it's the term(noun) for the vessel into which wine is decanted(verb), not decantered. That word could be a new word to enter the lexicon that refers to pouring a wine from a decanter into a glass after it has been decanted. Otherwise it would probably be more appropriately used when referring to equestrian activities.



daz

But back on theme, I've not had a Yalumba 'Y' series wine for several years. I think the last was a viognier that didn't impress. Never had a HoG at the price it commands but unless it was too young or one of the less respected vintages......perhaps even then it should've shat all over a $9 Yalumba. Makes one wonder about the palate of the taster/s.

daz

Someone on here (sorry I forget who) has a signature that reads, "after two bottles it all tastes like Grange"... perhaps that's the answer to the riddle

I think this says more about the taster than the two wines.

great aloof comment there

lifting an eyebrow is one thing, slagging other peoples tastes never gets you anywhere. no one person has better taste than another especially when in the context of their own palate.

personally my palate determines what i buy and drink i would think everyone is the same. if one person sees yalumba as tadting simialr to HOG all power to them, it certainly is advantage to their pocket

Craig(NZ) wrote:

I think this says more about the taster than the two wines.

great aloof comment there

lifting an eyebrow is one thing, slagging other peoples tastes never gets you anywhere. no one person has better taste than another especially when in the context of their own palate.

personally my palate determines what i buy and drink i would think everyone is the same. if one person sees yalumba as tadting simialr to HOG all power to them, it certainly is advantage to their pocket

Too true! Enjoy your pallets of Y Series Yalumba.

Craig(NZ) wrote:

I think this says more about the taster than the two wines.

great aloof comment there

lifting an eyebrow is one thing, slagging other peoples tastes never gets you anywhere. no one person has better taste than another especially when in the context of their own palate.

Craig,

Great incorrect conclusion there.

I did not criticise their choice in wine or even intimate they should not be allowed to drink what ever they want to drink.

Some people have the knowledge, palate and ability to judge the difference between a fine wine and an average wine, and some people just don't care much about wine and think its all much of a muchness.

That's a fact of life, just as some people can appreciate fine art and some people think a painting is just a painting. End of story.

and just as some people love Kraft singles and others prefer Quickes Cheddar... they are surely both cheese.
I agree it says a lot more about the tasters than the wine. There is no need to be embarrased by the concept of 'connoisseurship' Craig..it's where the expression 'the finer things in life' springs from.
GW

silkwood wrote:I rest my case (see above). On the other hand, Brian, you were right!


cheers,

Mark

fivewells wrote:
Just for fun - all have a look at : http://tv.winelibrary.com/

Great to hear from you Brian / Red Bigot, love your words and your own sites

Geoff

Had a couple of looks, didn't find anything much of personal relevance, even slim pickings amongst the recipes.

I would like to get some of the drugs he's on though. The guys from wineweek are restrained by comparison.

Maybe I'm showing a (couple of) generation gap(s), but this style of presentation of wine-related info doesn't do anything for me at all.

PS, I've only got one site and it's not reknowned for story-telling or even properly constructed or fully-formed sentences in some cases, I think you mean the other guy, TORB. We are actually different people.

Some people have the knowledge, palate and ability to judge the difference between a fine wine and an average wine, and some people just don't care much about wine and think its all much of a muchness.

That's a fact of life, just as some people can appreciate fine art and some people think a painting is just a painting. End of story.

With this as extension to your original comment this makes perfect sense and is a valid argument, and i cant disagree with this on face value.

but....is it never that so called 'wine experts' disagree!???? is 'judging the difference between fine wine and average wine" so arbitary??

Parker can disagree with Jancis so this would mean that one of them is not an expert?? Is pavie a good wine or a bad wine?? or is disagreement here allowed cos people on erob forum buy it for +$100??

Now dont get upset, im just playing devils advocate here, dont throw toys but assuming it says more about the person than the wine is really a bit of an off handed assumption.

Has no one here ever had a lowly wine that has performed well against a classic? Have we not seen it time after time in wine shows that 'surprises' suface? Yquem getting a silver medal next to Lindermans P sauternes etc etc??

Arent wine shows judged by so called 'experts' or are they just judged by people who make it their business to consider themselves experts?? i dunno, im just throwing it out there as random thoughts (no smart comments required)....

At the end of the day, a little modesty goes a long way when it comes to subjective matters and that is my main point.

Craig(NZ) wrote: i dunno, im just throwing it out there .....

Yep, that about sums it up!

Craig(NZ) wrote:
i dunno, im just throwing it out there .....

Yep, that about sums it up!

TORB we know you know absolutely everything and i wouldnt want to argue with you for fear of becoming a feature on your website in another 5 page self righteous whine so i will move on.

Feel free to have the last word. I know you will want to. It is after all your style. If defending someones right to have an opinion about a cheap wine without being belittled is a sin then shoot me, i dont give a shit. Care factor zero.

Seeing as how you insist on me having the last word I will take you up on your most generous offer Craig.

You use the most charming choice of phrases. I am especially wowed by the way you react so subtly to my posts.

Your logic at times, and ability to draw conclusions, also is sometimes truly astounding.

i dont give a shit.

I am sorry to hear about your unfortunate medical condition. That could cause you a great deal of problems. Perhaps a gastroenterologist could be of some assistance.

TORB wrote:I am sorry to hear about your unfortunate medical condition. That could cause you a great deal of problems. Perhaps a gastroenterologist could be of some assistance.

old dudes are funny, especially when they refer to medical conditions that they have been unlucky enough to experience.

mattECN wrote:

TORB wrote:I am sorry to hear about your unfortunate medical condition. That could cause you a great deal of problems. Perhaps a gastroenterologist could be of some assistance.

old dudes are funny, especially when they refer to medical conditions that they have been unlucky enough to experience.

Bravo !!!!!

mattECN wrote:
old dudes are funny, especially when they refer to medical conditions that they have been unlucky enough to experience.

At 55 I am positively ancient. Pass the Zimmer frame over here you young whipper-snapper or I will dong you over the head with a full bed pan!

The
Old
Rickety
Bastard


GB

I was thinking of deleting a couple of the posts, but I was laughing too much to find the delete button.

Remember people, if you are lucky you will get old too and maybe wise as well.

TORB wrote: I think this says more about the taster than the two wines.

Actually, I think this is a perfect comment, and sums up wine tasting accurately.

If someone told me they liked 'Y" more than HOG I'd say 'Great, go for it', and know that they're gonna have many happy days. That wouldn't change my opinion about how I feel about this, having tasted both these wines of differing vintages. But they're bloody lucky 'cos they'll spend a heap less on wine for the same amount of pleasure.

I don't see this comment as a criticism of the original taster - i.e. I'm well aware that I prefer Bob Campbell's comments on a wine rather than Michael Cooper's but that doesn't make any of us right.

Palate alignment....