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Hey guys,

Newbie to the forum so plz be nice!!

I saw this yesterday and i was wondering if anyone had tried it? (i think it has only just been released) i have liked the 03 and 04 but i dont know much about the coonawarra 05s in general

Any help much appreciated

Cheers

Hi Greg, welcome to the forum. We're always nice to everyone unless they prove to be d#$%heads.

The 2004 Wynns Black Label Cabernet is the best since 1996 IMO. Didn't know the 2005 was released but I'm going to Coonawarra on Monday and dropping into Wynns so I'll try the 2004 John Riddoch & Michael and I assume the 2005 Black Label Cabernet.

Watch this space!

Hi greg,

can I ask where you saw the 05? Wynns BL is one of my cellar staples.

Jeremy Oliver gave it 95 pts (2 more than the 2004), the TN is posted in the Tasting Notes section on 8 May, but hasn't made it into the Wineries/reviews section (crap site/database design!).

Once upon a time Wynns new releases (JR, Michael, Black Label etc) seemed to be a big fanfare event (remember Wynnsday?), this lot from two excellent vintages seem to be just trickling out here and there.

I bought a bottle of this (from one of the supermarket chains) to go with dinner last night.

No notes, but it was a very nice wine indeed, with the usual WBL characters, no holes in the palate, and excellent length.

Interestingly enough, at the same time, I bought a bottle of 2005 Seppelts Original Sparkling Shiraz. The 2004 was only out for around 5 minutes!

I'll post a vibe on that this evening.

Stuart

beef wrote:Interestingly enough, at the same time, I bought a bottle of 2005 Seppelts Original Sparkling Shiraz. The 2004 was only out for around 5 minutes!

I'll post a vibe on that this evening.

Stuart

5 minutes = about 7 months. I bought my first lot last November.

beef wrote:I bought a bottle of this (from one of the supermarket chains) to go with dinner last night.

Stuart

Which state/city please? (If you updated your location in your profile I wouldn't have to ask...)

The Wynns 2005 Black Label CS is available in Adelaide.

Still sealed with cork and this time 14.5% alcohol.

What IS going on with the black label? The 98 was around for ages and ages, the 02 I tasted at one show and never saw any on sale, seen plenty of 03 but haven't personally spotted any 04 and now the 05 is out????

Here in Canada we still have the 2003. Half the price of Bin 389. Any thoughts on how it is coming along? Thanks - Rick

bacchaebabe wrote:What IS going on with the black label? The 98 was around for ages and ages, the 02 I tasted at one show and never saw any on sale, seen plenty of 03 but haven't personally spotted any 04 and now the 05 is out????

Fosters Marketing triumphs again. The 04 actually moved pretty quickly via chain outlets due to the savage price discounting and the fact that it was the first really credible wine since the 99 (IMO). Many good independents didn't carry it as the chains were selling it cheaper than the independents could buy it. The 2005 should sell pretty quickly too, but I suspect the discounting won't be quite as deep this time.

I have seen the 04 at anything from $32 down to $15, you can guess which price I bought at . I can understand discounting but this is just silly, I would guess they will struggle to move volume on this wine at anything above $17 as that is what the market now expects. There is also so much good Cab about at the moment at this price point. I think Fosters have wrecked that market on this wine by playing to coles and woolies which serves them right.

Glen

(05 Wynns BL Cabernet)
Had a lunch time tasting of this today, and IMO it is better than the 04. More rich fruit, and an impression of more weight. The 14.5% alcohol is not noticeable. Definitely one to cellar! Wynns continue their resurgence!

John #11,

Thanks for the vibe. In an oblique way, this says much also about the standard of the 2005 John Riddoch and Michael. I've been looking forward to the 2004 vintage for those 2 wines, but it seems that I'll have to extend myself and purchase 2005 also.

Thanks again.

PJ.

This is already being discounted around town, for sure. Not quite the plunging barrel scraping prices of the 04 YET but give it time.
I'll be glad when these 04 and 05 vintages are over with so I can chill out on the spending for a while... bring on 07!!!

I don't know what we're on over here - I'm sure I've not seen the 04 and suspect the last I saw was the 01.

Funny business

Ian