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I tried a bottle of the RockBare 2003 Shiraz last night, and all I can say is that it is AWESOME! I know Halliday gave the 2002 vintage 90 points, and I drunk a few bottles of that vintage, but I reckon the 2003 is even better. Whats more, it only cost around $19. Has anyone else tried the RockBare Shiraz, and if so, what do you think of it? Could it be a $40/bottle wine in a few years......I reckon it might be.

ShirazNut wrote: Could it be a $40/bottle wine in a few years......I reckon it might be.

IF.....

1) It will go that distance.

2) RPJr annointed it above 90/100.

ShirazNut wrote:I tried a bottle of the RockBare 2003 Shiraz last night, and all I can say is that it is AWESOME! I know Halliday gave the 2002 vintage 90 points, and I drunk a few bottles of that vintage, but I reckon the 2003 is even better. Whats more, it only cost around $19. Has anyone else tried the RockBare Shiraz, and if so, what do you think of it? Could it be a $40/bottle wine in a few years......I reckon it might be.

Big prediction and each to their own preferences. I bought the 02 on spec, tried it a couple of times in tasting groups and a full bottle at leisure, sold the rest at auction as I couldn't even move it at a cheap price to any of the tasting group members after it rated badly. The 02 is still available, was seen below $13 and up to $16 at a few places.

I'll try a bottle of the 2003, hope you are right (the often generous Nick only scored it 82/100)

Hi Shiraz Nut, I read alot of the good press about the 2002 Rockbare and subsequently put it in a blind line up of under $20 Shiraz where it hardly bothered the scorer, only ranked about 7th in a ten bottle line up.

Because of the good press and it's poor rating amongst peer wines I put another bottle in a similar line up a few weeks later just to be sure but it performed no more highly.

I think it's correctly priced in the mid teens and a fair quaffer but no more.

As for the idea that these types of wines will appreciate in value, I can't agree. Three things make wines appreciate in price - absolute quality, big Parker points and at this price point it would need at least 94+ and finally limited production.

If you can find a big production wine like Rockbare that has doubled in price without big Parker points I'd like to know it.

707 wrote:
I think it's correctly priced in the mid teens and a fair quaffer but no more.

So Rockbare is threadbare?

cheers,
Graeme

OK, you got me. I've gone long on this wine (bought a few cases as a spec), as I, like the rest of us, are looking to find the 'next big thing.' Thought talking it up may help!

As for naming a wine that has doubled in price without Parker scores, that is an interesting one. Here's what I've come up with:
Dalrymple Sauv Blanc from Tassie (not quite doubled in price though)
Mt Langi Ghiran Shiraz (don't know if Parker has written this wine up, but it sure has gone up in price)
All Central Otago Pinots!

Cheers
ShirazNut!

Yes Graeme, threadbare indeed. I think it might be cheaper to duck over to Woolies and buy some SPAM!

Hey ShirazNut, I'd suggest you get out of wine speculating before you get badly burnt.

If you bought Rockbare expecting it to appreciate then you got every one of the three principles wrong.

If you think Langi has gone up then you can't count! You can buy every one of the last five vintages of Langi Shiraz cheaper (or close to) at auction than retail release.

If you think real investors would buy stuff on the amateur postings you tried then you have alot to learn.

I hope you like Rockbare because you've got a number of cases to get through!

Are you related to Derek Salmon?

Anonymous wrote:OK, you got me. I've gone long on this wine (bought a few cases as a spec), as I, like the rest of us, are looking to find the 'next big thing.' Thought talking it up may help!

As for naming a wine that has doubled in price without Parker scores, that is an interesting one. Here's what I've come up with:
Dalrymple Sauv Blanc from Tassie (not quite doubled in price though)
Mt Langi Ghiran Shiraz (don't know if Parker has written this wine up, but it sure has gone up in price)
All Central Otago Pinots!

Cheers
ShirazNut!

The Rockbare will not get you any capital appreciation, the best is to drown your sorrow. Talking will not help unless you are the messiah from Monkton which lead many sheeps astray.
Sau/Blanc is like a women, a time decaying asset. The longer you keep, the worse it become
Mt.Langi? Too subtle for Parker's palate.
Pinot from Central Otago? Wrong choice, fastest way to lose your hard earned dosh. Try lamb's belly instead

Steve,

Thanks for the smile on a cold Friday evening after a long week at work., LOL.

Tried a 1991 Chapoutier Hermitage Pavillion tonight. Quite funny, we're having a big client bash next week and I was asked to taste the wine "to make sure it was OK". Noblesse oblige!

Rockbare shiraz 2001, 2002 or 2003 has not received 90 from Parker -88s and a 89. The 2001 Reserve Shiraz scored a 91 (from online version of TWA #155).

Somewhere on the forum I have a TN. It should be similar to that copied below. I tried two bottles simply because I wanted to confirm that it was so closed down. For the price its an OK wine, but I'm not about to run out and buy more.

RockBare Shiraz McLaren Vale 2002 $13.99USD
Dark cherry red with pink edge. Very closed. Gave no true flavors over two hours. Well structured. Mouthfilling with good balance between acid and tannin. (Tasted June 6)

Second bottle tasted June 9 and 10 was again dark cherry in color but a little less closed. Prominent initial flavors were of sulfur and dusty oak. Over about two hours there were fleeting hints of licorice, chocolate, pepper and cherries. Again a very well structured wine with balanced acid and tannins. After 24 hours the oak gave a toasted character and the wine had softened a bit. If this wine ever really opens up it could be excellent. Alcohol 14.5%.

Mike