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Legitimate question, not because I want to pump the price up but because I am a great rutherglen fortified lover.

There is a bottle of Seppelt DP64 at auction now. I have never heard of this wine. Simply, does anyone know what it is, and specifically where it sits in the hierarchy of rae/classic/grand etc ?

thanks you,

Jackson.

I can't find it listed anywhere amongst my Hallidays, but I think it's Grand.

Kieran

Pretty sure this is the 64 Special Tokay, a blend of a number of earlier vintages. Lincoln Scott was kind enough to serve this up to me at a tasting last year and it is superb. Quite rare and not released in commercial quantities, to my knowledge. If you are a fan of the style then you won't be disappointed(Hopefully this is the same wine)

Cheers

To my knowledge this isn't a commercial release from Seppelt. This was sourced from the barrels from the old Seppelt cellars in Rutherglen (now a restaurant). It is bottled off in very small quantities for special events and corporate gifts.

It sits above Rare and is is a true premium drink.

However's putting it up is probably betraying goodwill from Seppelt.

Murray,

I was thinking the same thing. From memory the components of this wine go back to the 1920's. It would seem that someone is taking advantage of some Seppelt generosity.

Cheers

It sounds like I will be bidding! Hopefully it will not go for too much.

Whether it is a abuse of generousity is not for me to say, or me to care about. If the person selling this wine does not like drinking this style, I do not know what they should do. I would maybe recommend that they sell it and pass the money on to charity. Outright condemning the seller is probably a bit dull though.

Bye, J.

You're a hard crowd sometimes. I have been doing corporate and domestic deliveries for seven years now and I tell you something, I get given bottles of wine and all sorts of other goodies at Xmas and sometimes at other times of the year, and I consume/wear/whatever stuff that I like, and flog off the stuff that I don't, without a second thought. Someone once gave me a bottle of Grange because they thought I had been especially good to them through the year (I hadn't really, I try to do a good job for everyone) and I'd flogged it off within a week. No dramas. I bought myself a six-pack of Stonewell with the proceeds, which I like just as much as Grange, and everytime I drink a bottle I think of that customer. Where's the crime? So some dude got a bottle of fortified and him or her doesn't like fortified and is trying to sell it in exchange for something him or her does like? Good going I reckon. Once Seppelt handed it over, it was nothing to do with them any more, the gesture had been made and the receiver had been thankful. No use wasting this precious gift by drinking it just because someone gave it to ya. Better to sell it to someone who will adore it.

That's the Coops way:::!

Coops wrote:Better to sell it to someone who will adore it.

That's the Coops way:::!

No, better to give it to someone who will adore it.

Those gifts cost you nothing, yet you're profiteering from them.

It's the same as when I go into some shops and see a 'bin-end' section with marked down wine. This are obviously samples provided by reps for review that the shop is selling for profit.

... and when I say 'obviously' I mean some of the bottles still had`the rep contact details and the LUC written on them.

Why profit out of them; why not
- acknowledge that the sample will never be reviewed and decline
- do the rep the courtesy of tasting and put the rest of the bottle on the sample bench with a 'tell us what you think?' label for the punters to try.

I agree with Murray.

The only thing I would add, if it adds anything, is that I know a lot of people on the unsolicited samples train who sell off their excess freebies (i.e. wineries sometimes send two bottles in case one is corked, and if it's not, then the second is excess to requirements) and donate the proceeds to charities. Many (and I'm not exaggerating) a world vision child or indeed many a child care centre receives donations this way. The wine could be given away, and it often is, but due to sheer volume an easy 'clearance strategy' is sometimes required. The point of this being: just because a wine is at auction doesn't definitely mean that it's for grubby reasons. Someone may simply have cleared out all the stuff that they don't want, with the proceeds not necessarily going to themselves.

Other than that, I agree with Murray.

Campbell.

Campbell wrote:I agree with Murray.

The only thing I would add, if it adds anything, is that I know a lot of people on the unsolicited samples train who sell off their excess freebies (i.e. wineries sometimes send two bottles in case one is corked, and if it's not, then the second is excess to requirements) and donate the proceeds to charities. Many (and I'm not exaggerating) a world vision child or indeed many a child care centre receives donations this way. The wine could be given away, and it often is, but due to sheer volume an easy 'clearance strategy' is sometimes required. The point of this being: just because a wine is at auction doesn't definitely mean that it's for grubby reasons. Someone may simply have cleared out all the stuff that they don't want, with the proceeds not necessarily going to themselves.

Other than that, I agree with Murray.

Campbell.

And I agree with Campbell.

I don't know a lot of people (or any people) who sell their excess samples to support charity, but I'm delighted to know that he does and I heartily endorse this practise

I trust people who find themselves in excess of such samples who don't currently do this will reconsider their priorities in consider others rather than than their own hip pocket.

and I agree with both of you.

The practise of a sample ending up for sale when it has been given in good faith by the rep is just not on.

JP

Hello,

We produced 25 bottles of this wine from the single barrel we have last December, of which 20 were given as gifts to those who in our opinion had gone out of their way to support Seppelt in 2003 and five to staff.

The repsonses ranged from heartfelt appreciation to deafening silence from those who either lost it in the deluge of samples they recieve, thought we were doing it hoping for a review/similar favour or just didn't respond.

I have adopted a similar position to that mentioned on this site, that Seppelt were happy to make the gesture and what people do with it once they have recieved it is up to them. The incredibly positive comments and appreciation from those who did respond made it more than worthwhile.

However as a wine lover, it is absolutely beyond me that anyone who is associated with the wine industry would not want to take the opportunity to try a Tokay dating back to 1922 that was James Godfrey's personal selection as currently the best drinking Seppelt Fortified.

Do whatever you want with our gifts but to miss the chance to try one of Australia's finest and rarest wines is sacrilege!

Nicholas from Seppelt

Okay, which one of you watching this thread did I just bump up to $51 at Langtons?

Adair

Anonymous wrote:and I agree with both of you.

The practise of a sample ending up for sale when it has been given in good faith by the rep is just not on.

JP

I agree as well. And if this JP is Billy - use the spell checker - all that education gone to waste.

Mick

Adair wrote:Okay, which one of you watching this thread did I just bump up to $51 at Langtons?

Adair

$51???

Anything under $150 is severely undervaluing the wine, $250 is more reasonable for wine of that quality.

I have tried it and it rates at the top level of whatever scoring system you might choose to use.

Murray wrote:

Adair wrote:Okay, which one of you watching this thread did I just bump up to $51 at Langtons?

Adair

$51???

Anything under $150 is severely undervaluing the wine, $250 is more reasonable for wine of that quality.

I have tried it and it rates at the top level of whatever scoring system you might choose to use.

And the amusing thing is that Langton have it estimated at $20-30.

I would really love to win this bottle, and am prepared to pay a fair bit above this estimate obviously, but like all auction purchases, I am not as willing to go as high as if I have bought it at the cellar door, as there is no assurance that it has not been heat damaged.

Adair

Adair wrote:I would really love to win this bottle, and am prepared to pay a fair bit above this estimate obviously, but like all auction purchases, I am not as willing to go as high as if I have bought it at the cellar door, as there is no assurance that it has not been heat damaged.

Adair

Buy it!! Better than 100y/o para. Heat damage shmamage. You would have to leave the stuff in an oven on hot for 8 hours to do any damage to this stuff!
GW

Gary W wrote:

Adair wrote:I would really love to win this bottle, and am prepared to pay a fair bit above this estimate obviously, but like all auction purchases, I am not as willing to go as high as if I have bought it at the cellar door, as there is no assurance that it has not been heat damaged.

Adair

Buy it!! Better than 100y/o para. Heat damage shmamage. You would have to leave the stuff in an oven on hot for 8 hours to do any damage to this stuff!
GW

Gary, are you selling it?
Adair

Adair wrote:Gary, are you selling it?
Adair

No. I may bid on it now though. I am feeling rather flush at the moment....I MUST have that wine.
GW

KMP wrote:

Anonymous wrote:and I agree with both of you.

The practise of a sample ending up for sale when it has been given in good faith by the rep is just not on.

JP

I agree as well. And if this JP is Billy - use the spell checker - all that education gone to waste.

Mick

messy

SEPPELT DP 64 Museum Tokay, Rutherglen 1 500 ml Bottle $20-30 $252

$252 and rising.

Anonymous wrote:SEPPELT DP 64 Museum Tokay, Rutherglen 1 500 ml Bottle $20-30 $252

$252 and rising.

I should have gone on commission....

I trust the vendor uses the bonus return according to the approach Campbell outlines above.