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question on wine education
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:17 pm
by brunello_CH
Hi all:
I am considering doing some part time study on wine. Can anyone comment on the people below, or perhaps suggest a different insitution which provide distance learning and are reconized internationally?
www.wineacademy.com
Thanks a million,
Chris
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:01 pm
by KMP
You could always try
here!
Good luck,
Mike
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:40 pm
by Guest
brunello_CH
I have completed the IWA course in Australia and found it to be fantastic. I can highly recommend them.
You might also consider the WSET. They are recognised around the world.
Good luck.
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:42 pm
by Billy Bolonski
Sorry, that was me. Not logged in.
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:53 pm
by Judy Melling
The IWA was shocking in my experience.
The wine aroma kit is also rubbish with hald the aromas having faded already.
Not a happy camper!
Cheers
Judy
WSET courses
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 7:42 pm
by vintry
I have just completed the first part of the WSET course and I would highly recommend it. It is a course conducted under the umbrella organisation of the Wine and Spirit Education Trust based in London.
The course comprises of 3 parts, the intermediate, advanced and the diploma, after which you can then apply to Institute of Masters of Wines to pursue the exams for the MW. This is the only recognised academic program by the institute for admission to the Institute.
Of course, the vast majority of people would not follow through all the way but the intermediate course is a conducted in a very structured and educational manner over 6 weeks once a week for two and a half hours.
I must emphasise that the majority of wines being tasted over the course are Old World with a smattering of new world wines, reflecting the geographical origins of the course. I find that this is refreshing as it offers a truly comprehensive insight into the wines of the world.
I am happy to provide you with the contact details of the education provider in Sydney or alternatively in Brisbane.
Hope this helps....
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 7:47 pm
by Guest
Wine is to be enjoyed not something to get too intellectual or technical.
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:59 pm
by Billy Bolonski
I could not disagree more with the 'guest'.
Learning about wine can inhance your enjoyment of wine.
Not only do you understand what you are drinking and why it tastes the way it does, but you can find some real pearls this way. With so many different wines in the world today a little education can help find the wines that will give you the greatest pleasure.
There are far too many self proclaimed experts in the world of wine. Like a** holes everyone has an opinion.
There is not a day that goes by that I do not encounter someone who could benefit with a little more education about wine.
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 8:02 am
by GraemeG
Guest wrote:Wine is to be enjoyed not something to get too intellectual or technical.
Enjoyment normally results in the urge to repeat the enjoyment. This in turn leads to further experiences, some of which are good, and some of which aren't. Which usually prompts the question 'Why?' Why was this wine enjoyable, and that one not so much? Well, because, this wine is made from a low-cropping vineyard, with non-irrigated vines, hand-picked grapes, gentle pressing, careful, traditional handling, and 14 months aging in a mixture of new and old French barrels. Really? What's low-cropping? What's traditional handling.
And before you know it, your simple seeking after enjoyment becomes a quest for knowledge. 'Intellectual and technical' come with the territory. If you're just thirsty, drink water.
cheers,
Graeme
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:30 pm
by brunello_CH
Hi all:
Thanks for the reply, I think I might give wset a try. Just did a search on internet and found a group call VinTuition which provide the level 2 course. Would anyone know how much they cost and will that include the level 2 exam? I think I have just missed out on their June class as they started last week according to information from vintage cellar site..
regards,
Chris
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:47 pm
by Guest
brunello_CH wrote:Hi all:
Thanks for the reply, I think I might give wset a try. Just did a search on internet and found a group call VinTuition which provide the level 2 course. Would anyone know how much they cost and will that include the level 2 exam? I think I have just missed out on their June class as they started last week according to information from vintage cellar site..
regards,
Chris
Costs about 600ish for the intermediate course - 6 weeks.
The advanced is ten weeks and about 900ish
email "Linda Lambrechts" <wineknows@tpg.com.au>
GW
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:48 pm
by Billy Bolonski
Yes, you may have just missed it. Give Vintuition a call, she is very helpful.
I am not sure what Level 2 means but you should do the Intermediate qualification first.
It is a good grounding in the WSET style of course and is still very challenging.
I am about to do the Advanced course. My experience with the Intermediate has been very good. It will cost about $600 including wines and exam. Advanced and Diploma get much more expensive.
Can I also suggest you don't discount the IWA. Their approach is great if you have the desire to learn. Their approach to sensory evaluation was a breath of fresh air to me. Much more accountable for the words you use to describe wine. The IWA course also does more hands on Wine Making and Viticulture than other courses.
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:54 pm
by Guest
Level 2 = Intermediate.
Level 1 is the bar keepers basic course which tells you how to open a bottle with a cork in it sort of thing. Not offered here.
GW
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:19 pm
by Grant Dodd
I did the advanced course last year. It went for 15 weeks and the cost was $1400. Fairly Euro-centric,which was what I wanted anyway. Value??? Not sure. You could teach yourself the technical stuff out of a book,however,I did appreciate the tutoring of the two MW's who ran the course. Wine ranged from excellent( the Burgundy night) to poor( the America's night), overall quite good though. I learned quite a bit,just can't make up my mind about the VFM.
Cheers
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 10:47 pm
by Guest
Billy Bolonski wrote:Yes, you may have just missed it. Give Vintuition a call, she is very helpful.
I am not sure what Level 2 means but you should do the Intermediate qualification first.
It is a good grounding in the WSET style of course and is still very challenging.
I am about to do the Advanced course. My experience with the Intermediate has been very good. It will cost about $600 including wines and exam. Advanced and Diploma get much more expensive.
Can I also suggest you don't discount the IWA. Their approach is great if you have the desire to learn. Their approach to sensory evaluation was a breath of fresh air to me. Much more accountable for the words you use to describe wine. The IWA course also does more hands on Wine Making and Viticulture than other courses.
intermediate only?
perhaps you should learn more then, before disparaging other peoples knowledge?
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 11:43 pm
by Billy Bolonski
intermediate only?
perhaps you should learn more then, before disparaging other peoples knowledge?[/quote]
What disparaging??
Can we not disagree??
It would be nice if you had the guts to identify yourself.
I stand by the fact there are many people who could do with more wine education.
What do you think about this ISSUE?
Re: WSET courses
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 11:14 am
by simm
vintry wrote:I have just completed the first part of the WSET course and I would highly recommend it. It is a course conducted under the umbrella organisation of the Wine and Spirit Education Trust based in London.
The course comprises of 3 parts, the intermediate, advanced and the diploma, after which you can then apply to Institute of Masters of Wines to pursue the exams for the MW. This is the only recognised academic program by the institute for admission to the Institute.
Of course, the vast majority of people would not follow through all the way but the intermediate course is a conducted in a very structured and educational manner over 6 weeks once a week for two and a half hours.
I must emphasise that the majority of wines being tasted over the course are Old World with a smattering of new world wines, reflecting the geographical origins of the course. I find that this is refreshing as it offers a truly comprehensive insight into the wines of the world.
I am happy to provide you with the contact details of the education provider in Sydney or alternatively in Brisbane.
Hope this helps....
Hi vintry,
I myself would be keen on those details in Sydney. Please PM me if at all convenient.
cheers,
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 8:40 pm
by Guest
Billy Bolonski wrote:intermediate only?
What disparaging??
Can we not disagree??
It would be nice if you had the guts to identify yourself.
I stand by the fact there are many people who could do with more wine education.
What do you think about this ISSUE?
I could not disagree more with the 'guest'.
Learning about wine can inhance your enjoyment of wine.
Not only do you understand what you are drinking and why it tastes the way it does, but you can find some real pearls this way. With so many different wines in the world today a little education can help find the wines that will give you the greatest pleasure.
There are far too many self proclaimed experts in the world of wine. Like a** holes everyone has an opinion.
There is not a day that goes by that I do not encounter someone who could benefit with a little more education about wine.