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Hi Con,
La Turque also doesn't seem like an obvious candidate to "bother" with? I.e. not a wine that's cheap but also not crazy amounts being spent on. What convinced you it's a fake?mychurch wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 9:29 pm Can’t really tell from here how different these are. If you have ever read the enormous thread about Rudi on wineberserkers, then paper and font differences are give aways when it comes to fraud. Also, there was someone in Sydney who apparently bought millions of dollars worth of fakes, and who know how they got rid of them.
If the defense of the wines though
- late releases will have the current capsule and label, so there can be differences between bottles releases at different times
- some producers have different labels for different markets (Ramonet for instance)
- this is a super 2nd from a good vintage, but it’s not a rare wine and not a vintage the silly money is spent on l. Why bother making a fake ?
I’m not sure how much checking the auction houses do here, but I would hope they would be able to spot fakes from the real thing. just put it in and see what they say.
I actually have a bottle of 03 La Turque that I am convinced is a fake - lying with my mother in the UK and I’ll bring it back for the Melbourne group to try next time I go to visit her.
Guigal has gone a bit out of fashion now, but when I picked this up at Auction in the noughties, Robert Parker was still very influential and they were relatively more expensive than a lot of top Bdx and Burgs - The vintage slip looked looked like it had been reattached and there were a couple of other issues which I can’t remember any more. Guigal don’t (or didn’t then) have vintages on the corks and my feeling was that it may have been a leaser vintage rebadged as an 03.Dragzworthy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:31 pmLa Turque also doesn't seem like an obvious candidate to "bother" with? I.e. not a wine that's cheap but also not crazy amounts being spent on. What convinced you it's a fake?mychurch wrote: ↑Thu Aug 03, 2023 9:29 pm Can’t really tell from here how different these are. If you have ever read the enormous thread about Rudi on wineberserkers, then paper and font differences are give aways when it comes to fraud. Also, there was someone in Sydney who apparently bought millions of dollars worth of fakes, and who know how they got rid of them.
If the defense of the wines though
- late releases will have the current capsule and label, so there can be differences between bottles releases at different times
- some producers have different labels for different markets (Ramonet for instance)
- this is a super 2nd from a good vintage, but it’s not a rare wine and not a vintage the silly money is spent on l. Why bother making a fake ?
I’m not sure how much checking the auction houses do here, but I would hope they would be able to spot fakes from the real thing. just put it in and see what they say.
I actually have a bottle of 03 La Turque that I am convinced is a fake - lying with my mother in the UK and I’ll bring it back for the Melbourne group to try next time I go to visit her.
