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Auction purchase last night:

6 x 1998 Clos l'Eglise

Excuse/justification for this purchase: Every time I have had a 1998 Pomerol in the last five years, my reaction is consistently "damn these are good". They are aging at a slow pace but keep getting better and better. I need more; but top wines like Trotanoy and VCC are now very expensive - so went down the food chain a bit

brodie

6 each of the 2017 and 2018 Leeuwin Estate Art Series Chardonnay. Contrasting years and I will look forward to comparing them over the next 10-15 years.

Hacker wrote:6 each of the 2017 and 2018 Leeuwin Estate Art Series Chardonnay. Contrasting years and I will look forward to comparing them over the next 10-15 years.

I’m planning on buying the same. In the interim, hoovering up some of my favourite 18 and 21 year old single malts while they’re still freely available

6 x K1 By Geoff Hardy 2018 Adelaide Hills Cabernet Sauvignon

Mike Hawkins wrote:In the interim, hoovering up some of my favourite 18 and 21 year old single malts while they’re still freely available

I did not know that 18 and 21 year olds were hard to find. In my experience they seem hard to afford.

They will be hard to find

3 x 2016 Borgogno 'NO NAME' Nebbiolo
1 x 2013 Canalicchio di Sopra Brunello di Montalcino
1 x 2016 Borgogno Barolo
2 x 2016 Massolino Barolo

Mike Hawkins wrote:They will be hard to find

Oh dear, that means hard to find and harder to afford.

By the way, what are your favourite 18 and 21 year olds if I may ask? I don't have any 18s but I have two 21s, a BenRiach and an independent bottler's cask strength Strathmill.

Cheers ................. Mahmoud.

Very surprised to see a Vin Jaune at Dan’s - ‘13 Auguste Pirou. Not a top producer, but not bad. $76 - not sure there are many cheaper around. Only a tasting bottle for now, but will try and get some more.

Mahmoud Ali wrote:

Mike Hawkins wrote:They will be hard to find

Oh dear, that means hard to find and harder to afford.

By the way, what are your favourite 18 and 21 year olds if I may ask? I don't have any 18s but I have two 21s, a BenRiach and an independent bottler's cask strength Strathmill.

Cheers ................. Mahmoud.

I’m a huge fan of Glengoyne and Old Pulteney

Flying visit to the Barossa

2 x 2018 Eperosa Magnolia Blanc
2 x 2018 Eperosa Elevation Shiraz
2 x 2018 Eperosa Magnolia 1896 Shiraz
3 x 2018 Ballycroft Cabernet
3 x 2019 Ballycroft Montepulciano
3 x 2017 Rockford Rod and Spur
3 x 2016 Rockford Dry Country Grenache

Cheers
Ian

6 2016 Parker Estate First Growth

Cheers Craig

2x E. Pira & Figli (Chiara Boschis) Barolo Mosconi '16

3x Fratelli Alessandria Barolo '16

The 15 Mosconi excellent so I’m guessing 16 a ripper !

I bought some too. I actually have the 16 via Nuova from Chiara on the tasting bench.

Mosconi is a vineyard that takes time due fierce tannin - winemaking and a little bit of barrique can soften. Wouldn’t be in a rush to try but who knows with 16?

arvo barossa dash .

6 x 2017 rocko Bp.

Scotty vino wrote:arvo barossa dash .

6 x 2017 rocko Bp.

Is that 12 you have now or late to the party like i have been many many times? In some years I have purchased the current BP release in late April.

Cheers Craig

phillisc wrote:

Scotty vino wrote:arvo barossa dash .

6 x 2017 rocko Bp.

Is that 12 you have now or late to the party like i have been many many times? In some years I have purchased the current BP release in late April.

Cheers Craig

i fessed up before buying that i had 6 already. they said due to big 17 yield they'll grant another 6 for SWers.
happy to play the game if the chips fall in my favour.

2016 Caillard Barossa Shiraz and Mataro. Amazing value at $19 pb incl freight.

Bouchard Père et Fils - Beaune 1er cru - Grèves - Vigne de l'Enfant Jésus x1

sjw_11 wrote:Bouchard Père et Fils - Beaune 1er cru - Grèves - Vigne de l'Enfant Jésus x1

Hi Sam, I had a 2010 version of this last night and was happy to see it was sealed with a diam cork. The wine was in such a nice place, for me most Burgundies are best with 10-12 years of cellaring.

JamieBahrain wrote:The 15 Mosconi excellent so I’m guessing 16 a ripper !

I bought some too. I actually have the 16 via Nuova from Chiara on the tasting bench.

Mosconi is a vineyard that takes time due fierce tannin - winemaking and a little bit of barrique can soften. Wouldn’t be in a rush to try but who knows with 16?

Do you think the '16 Via Nuova worth the 100 perfect score?

Hacker wrote:

sjw_11 wrote:Bouchard Père et Fils - Beaune 1er cru - Grèves - Vigne de l'Enfant Jésus x1

Hi Sam, I had a 2010 version of this last night and was happy to see it was sealed with a diam cork. The wine was in such a nice place, for me most Burgundies are best with 10-12 years of cellaring.

I realised I didn't include the vintage- this one is 2017. I am just dabbling a bit with Burgundy since I will probably never have the same pricing living elsewhere. Not sure this one will make 10-12 years!

sjw_11 wrote:

Hacker wrote:

sjw_11 wrote:Bouchard Père et Fils - Beaune 1er cru - Grèves - Vigne de l'Enfant Jésus x1

Hi Sam, I had a 2010 version of this last night and was happy to see it was sealed with a diam cork. The wine was in such a nice place, for me most Burgundies are best with 10-12 years of cellaring.

I realised I didn't include the vintage- this one is 2017. I am just dabbling a bit with Burgundy since I will probably never have the same pricing living elsewhere. Not sure this one will make 10-12 years!

I've got the 2005 and 2010 of this - really nice Burgundy at an affordable price.

sjw_11 wrote:Bouchard Père et Fils - Beaune 1er cru - Grèves - Vigne de l'Enfant Jésus x1

At a Bouchard tasting in Melbourne tonight and was not impressed by the wines. The 3 whites, including an 05 Corton Charlemange, and 4 reds featured a consistent soft, low acid mouth feel that seemed manufactured. The ‘17 Volnay Tailepieds was soft, warm and accessible - expected just a little bit of tannin at the very least. If you don’t want to age the wines, then they were fine, but I can’t see why you’d pay the premium for them in that case.

mychurch wrote:

sjw_11 wrote:Bouchard Père et Fils - Beaune 1er cru - Grèves - Vigne de l'Enfant Jésus x1

At a Bouchard tasting in Melbourne tonight and was not impressed by the wines. The 3 whites, including an 05 Corton Charlemange, and 4 reds featured a consistent soft, low acid mouth feel that seemed manufactured. The ‘17 Volnay Tailepieds was soft, warm and accessible - expected just a little bit of tannin at the very least. If you don’t want to age the wines, then they were fine, but I can’t see why you’d pay the premium for them in that case.

What vintages were on tasting, mychurch? I've had quite a few aged Bouchard Vigne de l'Enfant Jésus in recent years with 10+ years of age (e.g. 2002, 2005, 2007) and they've been excellent.

Ozzie

It was Bouchard as a whole I was commenting upon, rather than the wine you had.

After a glass of bubbles we had
18 La Vignee Blanc
18 Clos St Landry PremierCru
05 Corton Charlemange
18 La Vignee Rouge
18 Chambolle-Musigny Village
17 Volnay Taille Pieds Premier Cru
16 Le Corton Grand Cru
09 Lafaurie Peyrague

Nothing wrong with the wines except QPR, but it’s all relative in Burgundy. Given the wide differences there can be in the area, there was similarity to all the wines that made me think the wine making was trumping the terroir. Still young though - I can imagine the 1er and Grand Cru wines changing over time.

After the event I shared a bottle of Oakridge Blanc de Blancs 2014 and 2019 Kumeu River Estate Chardonnay with a few of the other tasters - best 3 wines of the night for my palate.

2 x 2009 Ch Beychevelle. Found in the corner of the local wine shop that time forgot. May need to go back for more...

mychurch wrote:Ozzie

It was Bouchard as a whole I was commenting upon, rather than the wine you had.

After a glass of bubbles we had
18 La Vignee Blanc
18 Clos St Landry PremierCru
05 Corton Charlemange
18 La Vignee Rouge
18 Chambolle-Musigny Village
17 Volnay Taille Pieds Premier Cru
16 Le Corton Grand Cru
09 Lafaurie Peyrague

Nothing wrong with the wines except QPR, but it’s all relative in Burgundy. Given the wide differences there can be in the area, there was similarity to all the wines that made me think the wine making was trumping the terroir. Still young though - I can imagine the 1er and Grand Cru wines changing over time.

After the event I shared a bottle of Oakridge Blanc de Blancs 2014 and 2019 Kumeu River Estate Chardonnay with a few of the other tasters - best 3 wines of the night for my palate.

Winemaking trumps terroir every single time. There are plenty of producers where I'd rather have their village or even Bourgogne over some other producer's 1er or GC. Granted, the economics of making a poor GC don't make sense but how they take care of their vines+winemaking decisions makes a much bigger difference than the terroir itself. The terroir gives you the potential but not all producers take advantage of it. Terroir might give you some of the starting personality of the wine..or the base characteristics of the wine but it doesn't define what it will be.

That isn't to say terroir isn't important...it definitely is and realistically, if you're making poor wine from GC grapes, you're better off leasing your vines to someone so that dynamic provides for a bit of a floor. But it still comes back to producer producer producer...

Domaine Bila-Haut - Côtes du Roussillon Villages - Agly Brothers 2017 x6

MixedSpanish pack (with one French ring in)...

Matsu El Recio 2019
Manzanilla Argüeso San León Reserva de la Familia
Ferrer Bobet Vinyes Velles 2017
Salanques 2017
Laurel 2018
Mas d'en Compte Negre 2015
Planetes de Nin 2018
Coma Vella 2015
Blanca Cusiné Brut Nature 2012
Enate Chardonnay 234 2019
Enate Chardonnay Barrica 2019
Finca la Colina Sauvignon Blanc 2019
Hacienda López de Haro Blanco 2019
Quintaluna 2018
Chivite Las Fincas Rosado 2019
Clos Cibonne Cuvée Prestige Caroline Tibouren 2017
Beronia Reserva 2015