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3 x 2016 Tenuta delle Terre Nere Etna Rosso
2 x 2015 Tenuta delle Terre Nere Etna Calderara Sottana
2 x 2015 Tenuta delle Terre Nere Etna Il Quadro delle Rose Feudo di Mezzo
2 x 2015 Tenuta delle Terre Nere Etna Rosso Santo Spirito
1 x 2015 Tenuta delle Terre Nere Etna Prephylloxera La Vigna di Don Peppino
1 x 2014 Tenuta delle Terre Nere Etna Prephylloxera La Vigna di Don Peppino

A dozen 2015 Pertaringa Undercover Shiraz
cheers
Craig

6 x Sami Odi Little Wine # 7

6 x 2017 Jim Barry Florita Riesling
6 x 2012 Jim Barry Florita Riesling

An order of 2015 Trapet red burgundies - Chambertin, Latricieres Chambertin Gevrey Chambertin Per Capita 1er cru and Gevrey Chambertin Ostrea Village. Been sweating on these becoming available since reading the Claude Kolm blog write up:

http://thefinewinereview.blogspot.com.au/p/ ... sting.html

The upswing in quality also seems to be noticed by more mainstream reviewers like Allen Meadows and Neal Martin who are recently very positive.

I tried a bottle of the 2014 vintage of the Ostrea and it is high grade for a village wine so on my limited experience, the reviews seem to be on the right track.

How much is village Burgundy these days (and which country were they purchased)?

swirler wrote:How much is village Burgundy these days (and which country were they purchased)?

This lot in Australia (I also purchased grand crus in HK with my HK based mate). The cost from the Australian importer to a retailer is $137.50 including GST, so price will depend on retailer markup. There was a 12 1/2 per discount for pre-arrival orders, which my source passed on to me (along with mates rates). The cost was about 25 per higher than the 2014 vintage and based on HK 2016 vintage en primeur prices for other recognised growers, I expect that the 2016 vintage will increase by about the same again, given the miserable yields.

Thanks for the information. It seems like you need to be a millionaire to buy Grand Cru burgundy in Australia. Pretty sad.

Enjoy your wines!

3 x 2006 Tyrrells Vat 1 Semillon
3 x 2009 Tyrrells Stephens Semillon
6 x 2007 Framingham Dry Riesling (aged release)

Had to the buy the Vat 1 as it was on sale for NZ$55 a bottle

Brodie

A Napa month:

1x 2016 Schrader CCS Cabernet Sauvignon
2x 2016 Schrader GIII Cabernet Sauvignon
2x 2016 Schrader RBS Cabernet Sauvignon
6x 2014 Forman Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon

6 x Sami-Odi Little Wine
2 x 2016 Sorrenberg Chardonnay
2 x 2017 Sorrenberg SBS
6 x 2013 Yarraloch Pinot Noir
1 x 1983 De Bortoli Noble One
1 x 1984 De Bortoli Noble One

Willard wrote:6 x Sami-Odi Little Wine
2 x 2016 Sorrenberg Chardonnay
2 x 2017 Sorrenberg SBS
6 x 2013 Yarraloch Pinot Noir
1 x 1983 De Bortoli Noble One
1 x 1984 De Bortoli Noble One

Nice selection there Will.
Be interested to hear how the old Noble Ones go. I've had a few from the early '90's but none that old.

I’ll probably bring one of them to an offline sometime Rens. I had an ‘82 a few years ago that was amazing, not sure if these two are up to the same level, we’ll see I guess.

I bid on an ‘82 at the same time I bought these two, missed out. Sorry if I was bidding against anyone here...

Will

Sigmamupi wrote:

swirler wrote:How much is village Burgundy these days (and which country were they purchased)?

This lot in Australia (I also purchased grand crus in HK with my HK based mate). The cost from the Australian importer to a retailer is $137.50 including GST, so price will depend on retailer markup. There was a 12 1/2 per discount for pre-arrival orders, which my source passed on to me (along with mates rates). The cost was about 25 per higher than the 2014 vintage and based on HK 2016 vintage en primeur prices for other recognised growers, I expect that the 2016 vintage will increase by about the same again, given the miserable yields.

that seems rather unusual. Importers don't normally sell to retailers with GST included, GST is calculated at final POS.
If the $137.50 is for the Ostrea, that price is simply absurd, even for Australia.

In my experience, the 2016 prices in Burgundy are only 3-5% more expensive than the 15's (ex-cellar), and the exchange rate isn't vastly different. However, given the smaller quantities, many importers will probably increase their margin to off-set their volume loss.

oh yea, and I have seen the 15's and 16's from Trapet.... wonderful wines right across the range, def a great buy!!!!
As usual, the shining light for me is his Ostrea, an absolute bargain for what you get. Interestingly, lately, I have preferred the Latricieres to the Chambertin from Trapet.

Haven't posted purchases since the last listing in June last year so thought I'd just do the last ~7 months:

NV Bauget-Jouette Champagne Brut Grande Réserve
NV Janisson & Fils Champagne Grand Cru Brut
NV Laurent-Perrier Champagne Brut
NV Marc Chauvet Champagne Tradition Brut
NV Marchand and Burch Airen Crémant de Bourgogne
NV Nicolas Feuillatte Champagne Brut Réserve
NV Pierre Gimonnet & Fils Champagne Premier Cru Rosé des Blancs Brut
NV Pol Roger Champagne Brut Réserve
NV Segura Viudas Cava Brut Reserva Heredad
NV Taittinger Champagne Brut Réserve
2004 Mount Mary Quintet
2006 Duval-Leroy Champagne Grand Cru Blanc de Blancs Brut
2007 Rickety Gate Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon
2007 Schäfer-Fröhlich Bockenauer Riesling Kabinett
2008 Heemskerk Coal River Valley Chardonnay Pinot Noir
2008 Rickety Gate Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon
2009 Louis Roederer Champagne Vintage Brut
2010 Batista Pinot Noir
2010 Rickety Gate FORGE Shiraz
2010 Sons of Eden Shiraz Romulus
2010 Wynns Coonawarra Estate Cabernet Sauvignon Messenger Vineyard
2011 Clonakilla Shiraz - Viognier
2011 Mandoon Estate Shiraz Reserve
2012 Battle of Bosworth Shiraz White Boar Edgehill
2012 Maximus Wines Australia Grenache Emperor Series Centenarian
2012 Tarrawarra Pinot Noir Reserve
2013 Angove Shiraz The Medhyk Old Vine
2013 Benevelli Piero Barolo Ravera
2013 Craggy Range Pinot Noir Aroha
2013 Craggy Range Sophia
2013 Grosset Gaia
2013 Mount Mary Chardonnay
2013 Picardy Pinot Noir Tête de Cuvée
2013 Xanadu Cabernet Sauvignon Reserve
2014 Woodlands "Margaret"
2015 Marius Wines Shiraz Simpatico McLaren Vale
2015 Marius Wines Shiraz Symphony McLaren Vale
2015 Rockford Cabernet Sauvignon Rifle Range
2015 Wendouree Shiraz Malbec
2015 Wynns Coonawarra Estate Cabernet Sauvignon Black Label
2016 Felton Road Pinot Noir Bannockburn
2016 Fraser Gallop Chardonnay Parterre
2016 Freycinet Vineyard Riesling
2016 Seppelt Riesling Drumborg Vineyard

I've definitely had some success in terms of trying to buy anything but shiraz, but couldn't get away from the Marius and a few other eclectic purchases. I had some good luck, a liquor store changed hands near me and they cleared out all the discontinued stock lines - picked up 2/3 of the above list at around 50% (on average) of the usual retail prices at other stores.

For those that don't know some of the lesser known WA producers in the list, I think Rickety Gate (Cab Sav specialist for me but a wide selection / good quality across the board) and Picardy (pinot specialist but also good Bordeaux blends and shiraz) in particular are worth checking out if you get the chance.

felixp21 wrote:

Sigmamupi wrote:

swirler wrote:How much is village Burgundy these days (and which country were they purchased)?

This lot in Australia (I also purchased grand crus in HK with my HK based mate). The cost from the Australian importer to a retailer is $137.50 including GST, so price will depend on retailer markup. There was a 12 1/2 per discount for pre-arrival orders, which my source passed on to me (along with mates rates). The cost was about 25 per higher than the 2014 vintage and based on HK 2016 vintage en primeur prices for other recognised growers, I expect that the 2016 vintage will increase by about the same again, given the miserable yields.

that seems rather unusual. Importers don't normally sell to retailers with GST included, GST is calculated at final POS.
If the $137.50 is for the Ostrea, that price is simply absurd, even for Australia.

In my experience, the 2016 prices in Burgundy are only 3-5% more expensive than the 15's (ex-cellar), and the exchange rate isn't vastly different. However, given the smaller quantities, many importers will probably increase their margin to off-set their volume loss.

Wrt your GST comment you are not correct. GST is not a one stage retail tax but a value added tax that applies to any relevant supply, including by an importer to a retailer. The GST charged by the importer to the retailer becomes an input tax credit for the retailer and reduces the net amount of GST that the retailer remits to the ATO after charging GST at POS.

Your assurance about the Trapet quality is welcome. I bought the Latricieres Chambertin in both HK and Australia (as well as the Chambertin in both cases and the Chapelle Chambertin in HK). I obviously can't compare Trapet prices for 2016 and 2015 as the 2016 is nowhere near release. My experience is that for domains like Hudelot-Noellat, Lamarche and Sylvain Cathiard in most cases the prices in the HK based 2016 Pearl of Burgundy en primeur offer are 20 per cent or more higher than the 2015 en primeur prices. The price of Coquard-Loison-Fleurot (CLF) rocketed from the 2015 to 2016 vintage but this is presumably because of the Neal Martin rave reviews. You may well be correct that much of this may be due to the importer increasing margins to compensate for lower volumes. I shudder to think what the 2016 Trapet prices will be in Australia.

Ozzie W wrote:3 x 2016 Tenuta delle Terre Nere Etna Rosso
2 x 2015 Tenuta delle Terre Nere Etna Calderara Sottana
2 x 2015 Tenuta delle Terre Nere Etna Il Quadro delle Rose Feudo di Mezzo
2 x 2015 Tenuta delle Terre Nere Etna Rosso Santo Spirito
1 x 2015 Tenuta delle Terre Nere Etna Prephylloxera La Vigna di Don Peppino
1 x 2014 Tenuta delle Terre Nere Etna Prephylloxera La Vigna di Don Peppino

Bold!

x12 Olek Bondonio Langhe Nebbiolo 2016
x2 Olek Bondonio Barbera 2016
x2 Cascina Langhe Nebbiolo 2016
x3 Scarzello Langhe Nebbiolo 2015

PoB (fortunately) does not have exclusivity of Trapet in HK, unlike many of the best Domaines who are locked into those shysters.
Sadly, the other importers have followed their hikes, to price-match. PoB is a sad disease in Burgundy, and it will take the poor growers who got sucked in at least a decade to get themselves out
the 2015's from Trapet are on the market in HK now..... huge hike from the en-primeur price.
Chambertin $550 AUD (ep 400)
Latricieres $235 AUD (EP 175)
My guess is that the retail of 2016 Chambertin will be close to $700 in HK. Goodness, that will make it well over $1k in Australia
FWIW, I preferred the Latricieres over the Chambertin in both 15 and 16.

Of the ex-cellar export prices I know, the prices are minimally increased, but as we said, the volumes are small.(er) I asked around, the Trapet ex-cellar is up, on average, 5%.
The GST is a confusing issue, if you want you can apply for GST exemption, and pay/receive on the quarterly statement. (zero net gain.loss).

felixp21 wrote:PoB (fortunately) does not have exclusivity of Trapet in HK, unlike many of the best Domaines who are locked into those shysters.
Sadly, the other importers have followed their hikes, to price-match. PoB is a sad disease in Burgundy, and it will take the poor growers who got sucked in at least a decade to get themselves out
the 2015's from Trapet are on the market in HK now..... huge hike from the en-primeur price.
Chambertin $550 AUD (ep 400)
Latricieres $235 AUD (EP 175)
My guess is that the retail of 2016 Chambertin will be close to $700 in HK. Goodness, that will make it well over $1k in Australia
FWIW, I preferred the Latricieres over the Chambertin in both 15 and 16.

Of the ex-cellar export prices I know, the prices are minimally increased, but as we said, the volumes are small.(er) I asked around, the Trapet ex-cellar is up, on average, 5%.
The GST is a confusing issue, if you want you can apply for GST exemption, and pay/receive on the quarterly statement. (zero net gain.loss).

I am watching this discussion with much (dispassionate) interest! I am so glad that I retired completely from red burgundy buying in the last two years ago. Prices continue to spiral upwards. I totally get the reasons why but still.....

I bought heavily for about 15 years and then realized I had a an awful lot of burgundy to drink, mostly 1er and GCs. I like them with lots of bottle age, which is a good thing...

cheers brodie

brodie wrote:

felixp21 wrote:PoB (fortunately) does not have exclusivity of Trapet in HK, unlike many of the best Domaines who are locked into those shysters.
Sadly, the other importers have followed their hikes, to price-match. PoB is a sad disease in Burgundy, and it will take the poor growers who got sucked in at least a decade to get themselves out
the 2015's from Trapet are on the market in HK now..... huge hike from the en-primeur price.
Chambertin $550 AUD (ep 400)
Latricieres $235 AUD (EP 175)
My guess is that the retail of 2016 Chambertin will be close to $700 in HK. Goodness, that will make it well over $1k in Australia
FWIW, I preferred the Latricieres over the Chambertin in both 15 and 16.

Of the ex-cellar export prices I know, the prices are minimally increased, but as we said, the volumes are small.(er) I asked around, the Trapet ex-cellar is up, on average, 5%.
The GST is a confusing issue, if you want you can apply for GST exemption, and pay/receive on the quarterly statement. (zero net gain.loss).

I am watching this discussion with much (dispassionate) interest! I am so glad that I retired completely from red burgundy buying in the last two years ago. Prices continue to spiral upwards. I totally get the reasons why but still.....

I bought heavily for about 15 years and then realized I had a an awful lot of burgundy to drink, mostly 1er and GCs. I like them with lots of bottle age, which is a good thing...

cheers brodie

Let's be friends

bdellabosca wrote:Haven't posted purchases since the last listing in June last year so thought I'd just do the last ~7 months:

NV Bauget-Jouette Champagne Brut Grande Réserve
NV Janisson & Fils Champagne Grand Cru Brut
NV Laurent-Perrier Champagne Brut
NV Marc Chauvet Champagne Tradition Brut
NV Marchand and Burch Airen Crémant de Bourgogne
NV Nicolas Feuillatte Champagne Brut Réserve
NV Pierre Gimonnet & Fils Champagne Premier Cru Rosé des Blancs Brut
NV Pol Roger Champagne Brut Réserve
NV Segura Viudas Cava Brut Reserva Heredad
NV Taittinger Champagne Brut Réserve
2004 Mount Mary Quintet
2006 Duval-Leroy Champagne Grand Cru Blanc de Blancs Brut
2007 Rickety Gate Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon
2007 Schäfer-Fröhlich Bockenauer Riesling Kabinett
2008 Heemskerk Coal River Valley Chardonnay Pinot Noir
2008 Rickety Gate Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon
2009 Louis Roederer Champagne Vintage Brut
2010 Batista Pinot Noir
2010 Rickety Gate FORGE Shiraz
2010 Sons of Eden Shiraz Romulus
2010 Wynns Coonawarra Estate Cabernet Sauvignon Messenger Vineyard
2011 Clonakilla Shiraz - Viognier
2011 Mandoon Estate Shiraz Reserve
2012 Battle of Bosworth Shiraz White Boar Edgehill
2012 Maximus Wines Australia Grenache Emperor Series Centenarian
2012 Tarrawarra Pinot Noir Reserve
2013 Angove Shiraz The Medhyk Old Vine
2013 Benevelli Piero Barolo Ravera
2013 Craggy Range Pinot Noir Aroha
2013 Craggy Range Sophia
2013 Grosset Gaia
2013 Mount Mary Chardonnay
2013 Picardy Pinot Noir Tête de Cuvée
2013 Xanadu Cabernet Sauvignon Reserve
2014 Woodlands "Margaret"
2015 Marius Wines Shiraz Simpatico McLaren Vale
2015 Marius Wines Shiraz Symphony McLaren Vale
2015 Rockford Cabernet Sauvignon Rifle Range
2015 Wendouree Shiraz Malbec
2015 Wynns Coonawarra Estate Cabernet Sauvignon Black Label
2016 Felton Road Pinot Noir Bannockburn
2016 Fraser Gallop Chardonnay Parterre
2016 Freycinet Vineyard Riesling
2016 Seppelt Riesling Drumborg Vineyard

I've definitely had some success in terms of trying to buy anything but shiraz, but couldn't get away from the Marius and a few other eclectic purchases. I had some good luck, a liquor store changed hands near me and they cleared out all the discontinued stock lines - picked up 2/3 of the above list at around 50% (on average) of the usual retail prices at other stores.

For those that don't know some of the lesser known WA producers in the list, I think Rickety Gate (Cab Sav specialist for me but a wide selection / good quality across the board) and Picardy (pinot specialist but also good Bordeaux blends and shiraz) in particular are worth checking out if you get the chance.

I've got to compliment you on a fantastically well balanced, high quality choice of wines! Champagne, German riesling, Barolo, high class cool climate NZ and Aussie classics and some decent warmer climate stuff. Well played!

Thanks Swirler. Even after these purchases half my cellar is still Aussie shiraz. I'm trying to be more open to taking a punt on other varieties, although i don't think i would have got around to buying most of these wines if they hadn't been at such discounted prices. Funny enough sitting here now the only purchase i regret was the 2011 clonakilla, which was also the most expensive bottle!

3 * 2015 Head The Contrarian Shiraz
3 * 2016 Head Nouveau Touriga Montepulciano
3 * 2005 dArenberg Coppermine Road Cabernet Sauvignon - Magnums
3 * 2012 Wirra Wirra The Absconder Grenache
1 * 2016 Tapanappa Tiers Vineyard 1.5 m Chardonnay
1 * 2011 Voyager Estate Cabernet Sauvignon Merlot
3 * 2017 Jim Barry Assyrtiko


(On order, but hasnt arrived as yet)
6 * 2016 Benevelli Langhe Nebbiolo
6 * 2017 Jim Barry Florita Riesling

3 * 2017 Jim Barry Assyrtiko

sensational wine. a veritable flood of truly excellent white wine about at present.

via collins wrote:3 * 2017 Jim Barry Assyrtiko

sensational wine. a veritable flood of truly excellent white wine about at present.

This wine is a revelation in Australian terms. Never had anything like it before, and it is truly
remarkable. Would be a highlight for any blind/group tastings that for sure. No one would pick it.

Perfect match for seafood and you can imagine yourself sitting in one of those white houses in Santorini when
drinking it..... about as close as im going to get for many years!

Yet another case of Swings and Roundabout 2016 Margaret River Chardonnay for the bunker in Sydney. Because it's such easy everyday summer drinking with seafood and chicken etc.

Carl

6 x Grosset Polish Hill 2017
6 x Pikes Traditonal 2017
4 x Crawford River 2016
6 x Pewsey Vale Contours 2012

Because you can never have too much riesling.

The theme is 2013 Barolo but couldn't resist to get hand on some Bordeaux for the Valentine's Day...

3x Luciano Sandrone Barolo Le Vigne 2013
3x G.D. Vajra Barolo Ravera 2013
3x Château Calon Segur