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TN: Wedding Wine Tasting - Choosing the Red Wine

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:11 am
by mychurch
Always plenty of whites at home, but not a lot of red, so for the wedding BBQ I need some bottles. What I want is something that is easy to drink and smooth, but with enough body to go with food. We actually found a perfect wine in a Supermarket in Belgium – 2014 Pacha Reserve Merlot, Vina Marty, Chile – but I don’t think I could get away with an “Own Brand” wine and bottle variation for Supermarket wine seems to be pretty large. 2009/2010 Bordeaux sound like it would fit my demands and as Trudi is Australian, a nice Shiraz would be possible. Budget again is 15 euro though, which makes the Auz option rather difficult. These were drunk with food over 2 weekends with the same group of friends.

2010 Chateau Le Prade, Cotes de Bordeaux
This is made by Thienpont (of Pavie Macquin) and its a monster – 15% alcohol. Very ripe, saturated colour, stains the glass. Its balanced though and while Merlot must make up the majority of the blend, there is definitely a touch of Cab Franc. This really is great and looks likely to be a winner. Yum and fine value at 14 euro. 3*

2010 Chateau Croix-Mouton, Bordeaux Superior
This is good name if you want modest well made Bdx. I bought this when it was first released and it was great, even in the Sommeliar Riedel Cab glasses. This has moved on though and its not quite the poised, tense fruit bomb I remember. Some almonds on the nose, red pepper, tomato leaf, red fruit. Its definitely aged and while it’s the more complex wine, its not going to be a crowd pleaser. 3*

2009 Cabernet Sauvignon, Chateau Tahbilk
On offer in town at 13,50 and that’s a good price for an aged Auz Cab. This is more austere than the 2 Bdx wines. Restrained blackcurrant fruit. Quite elegant, but it needs time to really open and it only comes alive after 2 days. Needs to ‘pop and go”, so while it’s a good option for a dinner at home, its not going to be a party wine. 2.5*

2010 Chateau Ame Musset, Lalande de Pomerol
Another ’10 Bdx. This is not as open as the previous 2 and while there is good red berry fruit and some vanilla, its not going to be easy to drink. Much better the next day and probably the most refined of all the wines. Just not quite what I am looking for. 2.5*

2008 Dehasa le Grana, Alexandra Fernandez, Catilla y Leon, Spain
This was the first bottle to be finished, just ahead of the La Prade, and that is a good sign. Great QPR, this had a very complex nose with rose petal and some leather. Dark cherry fruit, layered, touch of talcum. Its definitely the favourite of the tasters, but I wonder if its just a bit too complex. Hmm. 3*

2014 Church Block Cabernet-Shiraz-Merlot, Wirra Wirra
I thought this would be too young, but Trudi wanted to try it. This might go down well with the guests and Australian Red was where the collecting bug started for me, but god this is boring. Its well made, savory and has well judged oak. It just has no personality. May improve with time in the cellar, but its not for me. Trudi thought it was fine though. 2.5*

Tie between the Le Prade and the Spanish wine, but checking with the merchant, the 08 is basically sold out and if I want 18 bottles, then it has to be the ’12 vintage. He thinks its just as good, but it was the age that was the key to the ’08 and as that’s gone I order the ’10 La Prade. Absolutely nothing for lovers of traditional Claret, but I think it will go great with the Burgers, Steak and suckling pig.

No tasting required for the white wine – a good price at auction meant its 07 Schloss Leisser Riesling Kabinet. Should be approaching its prime and a screw cap means there should be no cork issues.

Re: TN: Wedding Wine Tasting - Choosing the Red Wine

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:29 am
by phillisc
My Church
Sounds like a lot of fun...ahh wedding wines, Yalumba D Sparkling...you can say all you like but Jansz doesn't rate compared to this
86 Magill Estate...could not afford that as a wedding wine now!
An assortment of Rieslings

I note your report on the Church Block...I have drunk 25 vintages of this and are a strong support of Wirra particularly Angelus and RSW, but the church block is bloody awful now.
I was at a function at Adelaide Oval ( they are a corporate supplier) and bottle after bottle remained on the tables, in preference for anything else.
The wine now is a shadow of its former self, full of very harsh acid, very little fruit backbone and oak treatment that resembles saw dust.

Its a shame as these used to age quite well.
I think its a symptom of an ever increasing portfolio and quality has been lost, and the fruit is not what it once was.
Cheers
Craig

Re: TN: Wedding Wine Tasting - Choosing the Red Wine

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:26 pm
by mychurch
Craig

we bought a bottle of the current Dead Ringer to try as well - hoping for better things.

Still have a few bottles of 2 of their 98 limited edition Cuvees - Penly and Chook Block. A world away from the Church Block.

Love to have enough money to serve Magill Estate. Remember my first marriage in 89 and probably could have bought the Magill for around £10 a bottle. Had a sweet tooth then though, so had to make do with Deinhard Beerenauslessen from the 76 wintage...sounds extravagant but there were only 4 of us for the ceremony and dinner was at a local BYO curry house.

Re: TN: Wedding Wine Tasting - Choosing the Red Wine

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:09 pm
by Con J
mychurch wrote:Craig

we bought a bottle of the current Dead Ringer to try as well - hoping for better things.

Still have a few bottles of 2 of their 98 limited edition Cuvees - Penly and Chook Block. A world away from the Church Block.

Love to have enough money to serve Magill Estate. Remember my first marriage in 89 and probably could have bought the Magill for around £10 a bottle. Had a sweet tooth then though, so had to make do with Deinhard Beerenauslessen from the 76 wintage...sounds extravagant but there were only 4 of us for the ceremony and dinner was at a local BYO curry house.


Funny you should mention the Deinhard Beerenauslese, I’d never heard of it before but early this I had a 1976 at a wine dinner then couple of weeks later two bottles of the 76 popped up at auction, bought them both. Open one not long after that and planning to open the other soon, don't see much point in keeping it.

I’d say it’s past its best but there’s still a lot to enjoy. The color looked like a tawny port with toffee, raisins and bit of lime with some breathing, sweet but acid is still there.

Cheers Con.

Re: TN: Wedding Wine Tasting - Choosing the Red Wine

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 1:14 am
by Ian S
mychurch wrote:
2014 Church Block Cabernet-Shiraz-Merlot, Wirra Wirra
This might go down well with the guests and Australian Red was where the collecting bug started for me, but god this is boring. Its well made, savory and has well judged oak. It just has no personality.


Sounds like we might have to deconsecrate your user id :lol:

Re: TN: Wedding Wine Tasting - Choosing the Red Wine

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 9:12 pm
by Mahmoud Ali
I was introduced to the Church Block many years ago when I visited my cousin who was lecturing at the University of Queensland. It was his favourite drop. Back home in Edmonton, when the Church Block appeared I tasted and cellared a few bottles of the 2001 vintage. Haven't had one since but am going to open one of my bottles, probably this autumn. Sounds like Wirra Wirra has let the quality suffer.

Mahmoud.

Re: TN: Wedding Wine Tasting - Choosing the Red Wine

Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:53 am
by mychurch
Ian S wrote:
Sounds like we might have to deconsecrate your user id :lol:


Indeed...i can't remember the history of the forum, but it says I have been a member since 2007. I remember buying 1999 Dutschke from Gavin when it was released, so my guess is that there was an earlier version of the forum...means i have been going to 'mychurch' for almost 20 years...might be time to give it up, but my favourite song from the last 10 years has been William Shatners version of Common People, and great though that song is, it's doesn't have a line as good as 'this is my church, this is where i heal my hurts'...suppose I could revert to Cameron, but I like being a bit mysterious here...

Re: TN: Wedding Wine Tasting - Choosing the Red Wine

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:06 am
by phillisc
Mahmoud, think the top end wines are still very sound, but church block is a shadow of its former self...I would not buy again.
Cheers
Craig

Re: TN: Wedding Wine Tasting - Choosing the Red Wine

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:03 pm
by Mahmoud Ali
phillisc wrote:Mahmoud, think the top end wines are still very sound, but church block is a shadow of its former self...I would not buy again.

You're right Craig, I should have been more specific and not have generalised about the entire range.

Re: TN: Wedding Wine Tasting - Choosing the Red Wine

Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:46 pm
by Michael McNally
phillisc wrote:Mahmoud, think the top end wines are still very sound, but church block is a shadow of its former self...I would not buy again.
Cheers
Craig


I reckon the 2014 and 2015 vintages are a bit of a return to form Craig. They will probably never be as good as "back in the day" when they probably still had plenty of the better quality fruit in them (before the proliferation of higher labels), but the quality price ratio is pretty high. I can see why mychurch could label them as boring though as the thing they possibly lack is complexity.

Cheers

Michael