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To go along with the

What Wine Have You Sold That You Now Regret?

are there any wines that you now regret purchasing. We have seen posts on what wines you regret NOT purchasing but cannot recall wines that you DO regret purchasing.

Please do not report on TCA as other than this malaise it could have been a good drink, also for a change of palate preference.

For me i have a 6L imperial of Bethany Port. Now wtf do I do with this?
also some 2008 Chablis with Premox problems, and maybe some Clarendon Hills 2000 wines with big Bretty problems.

over to you to share

cheers
phill

Most Cullen and Leconfield reds and a few fruit bombs from McLaren Vale. All bought between 8 and 20 years ago. Thankfully I learned these wines weren't for me before I bought even more

Mike Hawkins wrote:Most Cullen

Really? I haven't bought many but do have a doz of the 2001 cork DM, one of which I had the other night which was very pedestrian. Also own some 2014. Fingers crossed. I am having more of a bet with Moss Wood and of course Woodlands.

Robert Parker fruit bombs from Barossa Valley and McLaren Vale.I don't enjoy these wines now as they are too oaky and don't match well with food. Far too alcoholic too.

Focusing solely on wines still in the cellar (plenty of disappointments in opened bottles). Not too bad really, with only the Barolo being a potentially bad hit to the wallet vs. the pleasure.

2001 Capezzana Barco Reale di Carmignano, the 2nd of 2 bottles bought last year. The first was sound, but with Cabernet-led dullness.

1996 Poderi Luigi Einaudi Barolo Nei Cannubi, a dozen bought, 5 bottles down and nothing exciting and yet also some concerns about potential premature ageing. All I can do is sit tight and sample one every couple of years

1999 El Bombero Cariñena. A cheap bottle, a guy at work was raving about. We bought 2 and tried one bottle and it's chief virtue appeared to be 15% alcohol. The archetypal "This is a wine for laying down and avoiding". I really ought to open it just to free up the cellar space, but maybe I'm a bit scared of what might be in the bottle!

NV Geowine Saperavi. Bought from a huge local beer warehouse on a whim - I've always liked the sound of Saperavi, but on reflection, better to buy something a bit more serious

Half bottle of 1993 L'Esprit de Chevalier Blanc. The other half betrayed the 2nd wine status in a poor vintage. Another I'll open one day somewhere near the sink.

1983 Henri Maire Château-Chalon Réserve Catherine de Rye. Bought 2 bottles. Glad I tried the first - an interesting / challenging wine. I can't get excited about opening the other, so it will wait until I meet someone who really wants to try one of these time capsules.

2011 Bodegas Ponce Manchuela PF, one bottle drunk with friends but disappointed, leaving the other to shake off the youthful rusticity (I hope)

A friend brought over a bottle of Jacobs Creek "Double Barrel". I liked it so much at the time but now have 11 bottles of it sitting on the floor of wine space under the house. Just decided I didn't like the taste whatsoever .... after I bought it.

Hacker wrote:

Mike Hawkins wrote:Most Cullen

Really? I haven't bought many but do have a doz of the 2001 cork DM, one of which I had the other night which was very pedestrian. Also own some 2014. Fingers crossed. I am having more of a bet with Moss Wood and of course Woodlands.

The MW is my pick from WA. I've only had a few Woodlands, and none of them with significant age. Your experience with the 2001 DM is consistent with mine.

Mike

shirazphile wrote:Robert Parker fruit bombs from Barossa Valley and McLaren Vale.I don't enjoy these wines now as they are too oaky and don't match well with food. Far too alcoholic too.

Ditto. Although most have gone to auction in years gone by.
Greenock creek wines (Except for the Grenache which is ok from time to time)all gone to auction too.
A few others that come to mind, but I am waiting to see if they come around and are in a dumb phase.

Mike Hawkins wrote:

Hacker wrote:

Mike Hawkins wrote:Most Cullen

Really? I haven't bought many but do have a doz of the 2001 cork DM, one of which I had the other night which was very pedestrian. Also own some 2014. Fingers crossed. I am having more of a bet with Moss Wood and of course Woodlands.

The MW is my pick from WA. I've only had a few Woodlands, and none of them with significant age. Your experience with the 2001 DM is consistent with mine.

Mike

I'm fairly sure I still have some of the '01 Woodlands in the cellar. This was a classic case of starting too early. The first couple of bottles out of the case were thin and boring. The case got lost and moved to the back. Next time I rediscovered the wine it had done the classic ugly duckling trick and morphed into a lovely mature Cab Sav. It just reminded me don't go near good cab sav inside 12-14 years. Same reason I've not tried either the Cullen or MW I've got from 05. Still 5 years too early.

Mark

I've only ever truly regretted buying one wine in bulk (lots by bottle) and that was the Torbreck Juveniles. A friend said he could get a good deal so I purchased two cases. Bloody wine turned out to be an unwooded GSM mix. By the time I got onto the second case I had grown to so hate the wine I'd take bottles to BBQ, drop and flee.

Domenico Clerico Barolos!

rooman wrote:I've only ever truly regretted buying one wine in bulk (lots by bottle) and that was the Torbreck Juveniles. A friend said he could get a good deal so I purchased two cases. Bloody wine turned out to be an unwooded GSM mix. By the time I got onto the second case I had grown to so hate the wine I'd take bottles to BBQ, drop and flee.

Love it..... I've regifted a few bottles in the same manner!

Too many 2007 onwards Cullen Diana Madeline. Got sucked into the hype and inflated critics scores. Far too many other MR cabernets to choose at significantly better value.

2013 Thousand Candles comes to mind. I haven't opened my bottle yet, but I still regret buying it. I got sucked into all the hype and paid $105 for it. It was subsequently heavily discounted at less than half the release price after everyone found out it didn't deliver the goods.

2 problems for me
- full cases of 12
- palate changes

I have 55 cases in long term storage, and of those I am only really interested in 2 or 3 of them. I like to collect wine and I accept that all collectors collect too much, but I should have realized that what I think might be good now, is not what I will think is great in 5 or 10 years time eg do I really need 6 mags of an 09 Gold Capsule Loosen Auselse. Current buying is now aimed at 3 bottles max of wines that ideally dont need to sit in the cellar a long time.

brodie wrote:Domenico Clerico Barolos!

Now you got me worried.

I've got about a dozen bottles from 04, 05 and 06.

Cheers Con.

I regret buying all those big Barossa Shiraz, Greenock creek, Two Hands, Kealske and Rolf Binder. All went to auction a few years ago.

Cheers Con.

mychurch wrote:2 problems for me
- full cases of 12
- palate changes

I have 55 cases in long term storage, and of those I am only really interested in 2 or 3 of them. I like to collect wine and I accept that all collectors collect too much, but I should have realized that what I think might be good now, is not what I will think is great in 5 or 10 years time eg do I really need 6 mags of an 09 Gold Capsule Loosen Auselse. Current buying is now aimed at 3 bottles max of wines that ideally dont need to sit in the cellar a long time.

Yes. I agree. I recall reading articles when I first started collecting/cellaring wines that you should buy widely from many regions. That Rioja or Barolo you have no interest in now will be a thing of beauty when you discover it in 10 years time. Rather than that approach, I brought from most of the sub regions of Barossa and now have a half dozen of every high alcohol fruit bomb shiraz known to man, desperately wishing I had German rizzers, aged Barolo and the odd bottle of froggy bubbles (This is a slight exaggeration, but you get what I'm on about).
Live and learn I guess.

brodie wrote:Domenico Clerico Barolos!

My sincerest condolences.

Any wine from Mudgee, fun place to visit, just don't come home with any wine - a mistake I have made three times.

winetastic wrote:

brodie wrote:Domenico Clerico Barolos!

My sincerest condolences.

Which vintages gents?

I'm a little more tolerant of oak ( except for the splitting headache next day with some French wood ) but I think Clerico came off the the ultra heavy oak somewhat. Some of their vineyards produce pretty long-lived reds which could do very well with extended aging.

I know oak and nebbiolo is doesn't work with many, but if you ever get the chance, try the better producers with true, extended cellaring. Probably still won't like them but the pronounced acidity and oak and fruit will have had a better chance to integrate and tame.

Mike Hawkins wrote:Most Cullen and Leconfield reds and a few fruit bombs from McLaren Vale. All bought between 8 and 20 years ago. Thankfully I learned these wines weren't for me before I bought even more

Mike,

Agree earlier Leconfield were less than inspiring. Picked too early; thin and incipit. However over the last 5-10 years the style has been more generous in flavour from riper fruit. I think there has been a change in winemakers.

Agree also on Cullen. Very expensive and whilst nice wines nothing great. Lighter in style not up my alley but many others think otherwise.

Carl

Mature Cullens turning up in Hong Kong $50 retail !! It's murder for the Aussie fine wine industry or perhaps just another one of those dodgy wine investment schemes gone bust? I'm shocked at what $50 buying- Meshach, Tahbilk Old Vines....

JamieBahrain wrote:

winetastic wrote:

brodie wrote:Domenico Clerico Barolos!

My sincerest condolences.

Which vintages gents?

I'm a little more tolerant of oak ( except for the splitting headache next day with some French wood ) but I think Clerico came off the the ultra heavy oak somewhat. Some of their vineyards produce pretty long-lived reds which could do very well with extended aging.

I know oak and nebbiolo is doesn't work with many, but if you ever get the chance, try the better producers with true, extended cellaring. Probably still won't like them but the pronounced acidity and oak and fruit will have had a better chance to integrate and tame.

Hi Jamie, mostly 2004 thru 2008 but with some bottles from 1996/1998/1999. I get the ageing argument, it is abut like Grange, needs 30 years to come together.

I will hold them and wait (along with Paulo Scavino and Conterno-Fantino). The fruit is there for sure. Fingers crossed.

Brodie

shirazphile wrote:Robert Parker fruit bombs from Barossa Valley and McLaren Vale.I don't enjoy these wines now as they are too oaky and don't match well with food. Far too alcoholic too.

Con J wrote:I regret buying all those big Barossa Shiraz, Greenock creek, Two Hands, Kealske and Rolf Binder. All went to auction a few years ago.

By the time the Parker fruit bombs with high scores got here (Canada) they were priced well above what I was willing to pay. If anything the only fruit bombs I think I have is a Yalumba Octavius and perhaps the E & E Black Pepper but they were a gifts. Yalumba's Signature, Burge's Meshach, and Brokenwood's Rayner are some older ones that come to mind but I don't think they were fruit bombs. Were they?

winetastic wrote:Any wine from Mudgee, fun place to visit, just don't come home with any wine - a mistake I have made three times.

In my one visit to Mudgee many years ago the one winery that had some interesting wines that I wouldn't mind having in my cellar today were a couple of the Huntington Estate bin number wines from the 90s.

Mahmoud.

More a dumb purchase - a 6lt bottle of Yalumba 1996 Signature. Seemed like a good idea at the time when a friend who worked there rang with a good offer. When do you drink it? Not a party wine it deserves a nice meal and good company in an an appropriate environment. Eventually it went to auction and replaced with a few good bottles that will be drunk.

Carl

Chuck wrote:More a dumb purchase - a 6lt bottle of Yalumba 1996 Signature. Seemed like a good idea at the time when a friend who worked there rang with a good offer. When do you drink it? Not a party wine it deserves a nice meal and good company in an an appropriate environment. Eventually it went to auction and replaced with a few good bottles that will be drunk.

Carl

Yeh, that is a lot of wine. You may be able to Coravin that sucker and drink it over 6 months or so.

Mahmoud Ali wrote:

shirazphile wrote:Robert Parker fruit bombs from Barossa Valley and McLaren Vale.I don't enjoy these wines now as they are too oaky and don't match well with food. Far too alcoholic too.

Con J wrote:I regret buying all those big Barossa Shiraz, Greenock creek, Two Hands, Kealske and Rolf Binder. All went to auction a few years ago.

By the time the Parker fruit bombs with high scores got here (Canada) they were priced well above what I was willing to pay. If anything the only fruit bombs I think I have is a Yalumba Octavius and perhaps the E & E Black Pepper but they were a gifts. Yalumba's Signature, Burge's Meshach, and Brokenwood's Rayner are some older ones that come to mind but I don't think they were fruit bombs. Were they?

winetastic wrote:Any wine from Mudgee, fun place to visit, just don't come home with any wine - a mistake I have made three times.

In my one visit to Mudgee many years ago the one winery that had some interesting wines that I wouldn't mind having in my cellar today were a couple of the Huntington Estate bin number wines from the 90s.

Mahmoud.

I wouldn't call the Octavius a fruit bomb, but the older ones are definitely oak bombs

Another "Parker" fruit bomb sucker.

The early days of chasing those 100 pointers and wasting A LOT of money.

Greenock Creek RR's, Duck Mucks and Noons... Not for my tastes at all now.

What dont you enjoy about R.R's ?
I find them to be elegant. Even in youth