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Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 11:06 am
by REDRUM
Hey all, I'm doing some research into old vine wines and am keen to get some names of producers that make wines from very old vineyards (especially those in South Australia but would be keen to hear about other states too).
Cheers!
Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 12:31 pm
by TiggerK
Hewitson Old Garden and Tahbilk 1860 immediately come to mind...
Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 12:38 pm
by Scotty vino
Turkey Flat
Wendouree
Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 12:46 pm
by daver6
Langmeil Freedom Shiraz
Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 12:48 pm
by rens
Cirillo 1850's Grenache vines
Hill of Grace vinyard has some from the 1860's I believe.
Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 1:35 pm
by Brucer
Tyrrells Old Patch 1867, 4 Acres 1879, HVD 1908, Johnnos 1908
Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 1:51 pm
by LGW
Google the barossa old vine charter. Probably a good place to start.
I'll add Bests Thomson to the list.
Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 2:02 pm
by Thommo
Foggo in McLaren Vale have ~100yo shiraz vines, and make a shiraz sourced exclusively from that vineyard. Their Grenache vines are a few years younger (~90yo?) whilst their Cab vines are relative pups at ~50yo.
Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 2:44 pm
by cuttlefish
Richard Hamilton has one called Centurion which are 119 year old vines.
They'd be McLaren Vale.
Some of Tyrrells' Hunter Valley vineyards would be over 100 years, wouldn't they ?
Might be some north of Perth that are old. (Gin Gin??)
Baptista vineyard in central Vic (Graytown) planted in 1891
Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:00 pm
by Diddy
Best's Great Western have some of the oldest vines in Victoria I believe (1868).
Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:40 pm
by The fish
I think the Teusner guys might have access to some pretty old vines in the Barossa. Might be worth checking in with them?
Cheers
Matt
Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:29 pm
by Mahmoud Ali
daver6 wrote:Langmeil Freedom Shiraz
My understanding is that the Langmeil Freedom Shiraz is made from the oldest shiraz vines in Australia - something I think I heard from Langmeil staff at cellar door.
Another old vine wine is Jenke's Mouvedre - their vineyard was over a hundred years old when I was there back on 2001.
Mahmoud.
Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:42 pm
by Scotty vino
From w$%#pedia so who knows,but ...
"The 1847 Shiraz vines at Turkey Flat are believed to the oldest authenticated vines that are still producing fruit for a commercial use"
Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:44 pm
by thecoonagoona
Brands Laira in Coonawarra have the Steniford block of Shiraz from 1893.
Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:58 pm
by Mahmoud Ali
Scotty vino wrote:From w$%#pedia so who knows,but ...
"The 1847 Shiraz vines at Turkey Flat are believed to the oldest authenticated vines that are still producing fruit for a commercial use"
According to the label on the Langmeil Freedom their vines were planted in 1843, apparently 5 years earlier than Turkey Flat's.
Mahmoud.
Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 5:07 pm
by Scotty vino
Mahmoud Ali wrote:Scotty vino wrote:From w$%#pedia so who knows,but ...
"The 1847 Shiraz vines at Turkey Flat are believed to the oldest authenticated vines that are still producing fruit for a commercial use"
According to the label on the Langmeil Freedom their vines were planted in 1843, apparently 5 years earlier than Turkey Flat's.
Mahmoud.
Not a bad effort considering the state of SA was only officially settled 7 years prior to that.
Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 6:21 pm
by Gavin Trott
Scotty vino wrote:Mahmoud Ali wrote:Scotty vino wrote:From w$%#pedia so who knows,but ...
"The 1847 Shiraz vines at Turkey Flat are believed to the oldest authenticated vines that are still producing fruit for a commercial use"
According to the label on the Langmeil Freedom their vines were planted in 1843, apparently 5 years earlier than Turkey Flat's.
Mahmoud.
Not a bad effort considering the state of SA was only officially settled 7 years prior to that.
Plenty of vineyards before that, in Adelaide, and McLaren Vale.
None surviving though!
Langmeil's I believe are the oldest surviving vines in Oz, definitely, and probably/possibly in the world!
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Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 6:50 pm
by Mahmoud Ali
Gavin Trott wrote: Plenty of vineyards before that, in Adelaide, and McLaren Vale.
None surviving though!
Langmeil's I believe are the oldest surviving vines in Oz, definitely, and probably/possibly in the world!
Gavin, how old are the Marion vineyard in Adelaide's Marion suburb - they used to be bottled by Hamilton's and were a Grenache/Shiraz blend if I'm not mistaken. Are they still there?
Mahmoud.
Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 7:05 pm
by Gavin Trott
Mahmoud Ali wrote:Gavin Trott wrote: Plenty of vineyards before that, in Adelaide, and McLaren Vale.
None surviving though!
Langmeil's I believe are the oldest surviving vines in Oz, definitely, and probably/possibly in the world!
Gavin, how old are the Marion vineyard in Adelaide's Marion suburb - they used to be bottled by Hamilton's and were a Grenache/Shiraz blend if I'm not mistaken. Are they still there?
Mahmoud.
Not sure how old, but still there, yes.
Drive past them often!
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Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 7:07 pm
by Mike Hawkins
The Mt Edelstone vineyard must be circa 100 years old.
Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 7:48 pm
by Scotty vino
Plenty of vineyards before that, in Adelaide, and McLaren Vale.
None surviving though!
Langmeil's I believe are the oldest surviving vines in Oz, definitely, and probably/possibly in the world!
Used to walk thru the Chateau Reynella vines daily before they were ripped up. Would've been heading towards 165+ years old by now.
Alas all gone and replaced with a mini lego-land. What a shame. They would've been up there as some of the oldest surely.
Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 8:57 pm
by GraemeG
I thought the OP said SA. There are a lot of NSW & Vic wineries in the list above.
I believe Mt Edelstone was planted in the 1920s.
GG
Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 9:32 pm
by camw
GraemeG wrote:I thought the OP said SA. There are a lot of NSW & Vic wineries in the list above.
If you read their post ...
Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 11:11 pm
by Diddy
REDRUM wrote:...would be keen to hear about other states too).
Cheers!
Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 1:12 am
by Mahmoud Ali
In Victoria I would include Tahbilk's 1860 vines and Best's who have the oldest Pinot Meunier in Australia if not the world - their shiraz for the Thomsom Family wine is probably just as old.
Mahmoud.
Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 3:16 pm
by Redback
Penfolds Block 42 Cab Sav - Planted in the 1880's
Kalleske Johann George Shiraz - 1875
Poonawatta Estate 1880 shiraz
Schild Estate Moorooroo shiraz - 1847
Kilkanoon Attunga - 1865
Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Sun May 18, 2014 5:04 pm
by Gavin Trott
Diddy wrote:REDRUM wrote:...would be keen to hear about other states too).
Cheers!
Other states much harder ... not their fault, but the cursed Phylloxera moved through our eastern states some time back, so very old vineyards not effected exist, but are much rarer than here in SA.
No Phylloxera here (Or in the West) hence such very old vines, growing usually on their own roots!
Unusual anomaly, the youngest state, with most of the oldest vines.
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Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Sun May 18, 2014 5:11 pm
by dan_smee
I think someone mentioned Tyrrell's earlier for the other states. They have many others you would define as 'old', but they have quite a few over 100 years:
Johnno's Block (producing Johnno's Semillon and Johnno's Shiraz) - planted 1908
HVD Vineyard (producing HVD Semillon and HVD Chardonnay) - planted 1908
4 Acres Vineyard (producing the 4 Acres Shiraz) - planted 1879
Old Patch Vineyard (producing Old Patch Shiraz) - planted 1867
Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 9:56 am
by michel
Walkershire victoria
don't know if they still exist
woops wrong state
Re: Old vine producers - SA
Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 10:09 am
by REDRUM
Wow - thanks everyone - keep them coming! Mahmoud, with regard to the old Hamilton vineyard at Marion, I believe that those vines were planted in 1909 .. Apparently the oldest urban vineyard in the world (!), currently managed by Patritti.