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What was the name of the original winery that eventually became Wynns Coonawarra estate?

No google searches please

Q S-S

Ch. Comaum

No Google, but Len Evans Complete Book of Australian Wine, 1984 ed indicates the original name was Riddoch Winery, taken over by Ch Tanunda in 1919 for brandy grapes, sold to Milnes in 1921, Woodley Wines in 1946 (Chateau Comaum - catchy name eh), to Samuel Wynn in 1951 with the first Coonawarra Estate Claret produced in 1952, winemaker Ian Hickinbotham.

Now, what was Samuel Wynn's birth name and in which country was he born?

Gary W you are the winner.

Q S-S

Hmm, I'm not trying to claim the prize, 'cos I obviously looked it up, but Ch Comaum is not the original name of the winery, just the one before Samuel Wynn bought it.

Same book, p29 concerning John Riddoch: "Riddoch built a winery with cellars which held 340 000 litres.... The building, which was built in the 1890's, is still used and is well known throughout Australia from it's stylised representation on Wynns Coonawarra labels." I think that makes the original winery the Riddoch winery.

Sorry, didn't read my own question properly.

Your right Red Bigot, the word 'original' obviously means the first, and you are the first to pick it.

Quizmaster's Step-Son

Red Bigot wrote:Now, what was Samuel Wynn's birth name and in which country was he born?

FWIW Samuel Wynn was born Shlomo Weintraub, in Poland in 1912...

the fight ended before it begins

Wilson X wrote:Wow RB,

You seem to have cured your work commitments and and slow internet connection quickly.......

Wilson

Dear Wilson X,

I was amused by your not so keen eye for detail and your gratuitous implication that I'm either lying or confused. If you'd thought about it a little more you may have wondered why I would have an old edition of the Len Evans book at my fingertips at work. But then I guess your brain was already overloaded with eagerness to catch me out.

If you notice the post time, I scored a Friday early mark from work and was at home on my speedy ADSL connection, with said book readily at hand. At this time the Quiz is/was normally well and truly over.

For your edification last time I tried to log on and post at work it took nearly 10 minutes to get one short message posted.

I don't expect an apology, since I've denigrated your powers of observation and implied you are mean-spirited, I think that makes us even.

I can't understand this narkiness.

Brian, somebody doesn't like you, which is unfortunate, because in my opinion you've always presented intelligent, polite and balanced* views, and can articulate your point or argue your case without grandstanding or abuse. There are a lot stronger opinions aired on this and other forums.

Don't let the bastard(s) get to you.


* despite your failure to understand white wine.

Guest wrote:I can't understand this narkiness.

Brian, somebody doesn't like you, which is unfortunate, because in my opinion you've always presented intelligent, polite and balanced* views, and can articulate your point or argue your case without grandstanding or abuse. There are a lot stronger opinions aired on this and other forums.

Don't let the bastard(s) get to you.


* despite your failure to understand white wine.

Sorry if I've confused the issue, I deleted the comment because it was about a person, not wine. Indeed, it seemed to have nothing to do with wine at all?

I'm sure there must be forums you can go to if you wish to be personal about other people, its just that this isn't one!

Gavin Trott wrote:Sorry if I've confused the issue, I deleted the comment because it was about a person, not wine. Indeed, it seemed to have nothing to do with wine at all?

I'm sure there must be forums you can go to if you wish to be personal about other people, its just that this isn't one!

Gavin, perhaps you should delete my response and the other response then also?

Guest, thanks for the kind words, the feeble attempts at insult by these fly-by posters just make me laugh. BTW (tongue firmly in cheek) I do understand a little about white wine, I unfortunately wasted a lot of years and liver capacity on whites when younger before coming to the realisation I much preferred reds and that there were too many good ones left to drink in my lifetime. Now if I could afford some really decent white burgundy or chablis I could be tempted off the righteous path occasionally.

Red Bigot wrote:No Google, but Len Evans Complete Book of Australian Wine,

Brian,

I am glad you found my sister Jaki's work useful. See, she good for things other than picking up our winning from Langtons.

For those of you that think this is all a bit of a mystery, my sister Jaki wrote the first 13 chapters of the original Len Evans Encyclopedia and edited the rest of the book for Len.

Red Bigot wrote:Now if I could afford some really decent white burgundy or chablis I could be tempted off the righteous path occasionally.

Sounds like the first crack in the dyke!! I thought a red bigot should never be tempted off the righteous path??

Adam wrote:

Red Bigot wrote:Now if I could afford some really decent white burgundy or chablis I could be tempted off the righteous path occasionally.

Sounds like the first crack in the dyke!! I thought a red bigot should never be tempted off the righteous path??

Who are you calling a dyke? And did you miss the "tongue in cheek" bit?

Hey we indulge in a little trial by fire and walking over hot rocks occasionally too. There are a few rare whites that achieve on me a similar affect as a good red, but as they were over $100/bottle in 1985 when I last tried some (in France), I guess that makes them in the $400-$500 range or more now. (Don't ask me for producers/vintages, I don't remember). I'd probably drink a little pinot too if a. I could afford the ones I like and b. had a money back guarantee if it was not worthy of the price.

Also, as you probably know, an occasional good sweet white dessert wine is an allowable dispensation for RBs.

Im glad to know I can drink pinot and sweet wine and still be classed an RB...

Tonight a freind and I are having a couple of red burgundies and a Guiraud sticky. I can emerge with my integrity intact ...(aside from the Zind Humbrecht VT I had last week, but that qualifies as sticky I guess).

Take care,
Adam

Red Bigot wrote:

Wilson X wrote:Wow RB,

You seem to have cured your work commitments and and slow internet connection quickly.......

Wilson

Dear Wilson X,

I was amused by your not so keen eye for detail and your gratuitous implication that I'm either lying or confused

Wow thanks Brian,

I was equally amused, that the conclusion that you have reached was grossly incorrect and quite grumpy at that. Talk about paranoid. I was merely stating that it was quite comical that you were so quick to answer QMSS’s question and yet went to great lengths explaining why you had no time to answer QMA’s quiz.

I thought it was pretty funny and wanted to share it with the forum.

Humour - The quality that makes something laughable or amusing; funniness: could not see the humour of the situation. - Dictionary.com

Must be something in the water there in our capital, PM backflipping, RB backflipping. Next Ric will be drinking white…..

Looks like I’ve been put in my place, back to the land where lurkers are too scared to post again.

Good job!

Wilson.

Wilson X wrote:Wow thanks Brian,

I was equally amused, that the conclusion that you have reached was grossly incorrect and quite grumpy at that. Talk about paranoid. I was merely stating that it was quite comical that you were so quick to answer QMSS?s question and yet went to great lengths explaining why you had no time to answer QMA?s quiz.

I thought it was pretty funny and wanted to share it with the forum.

Humour - The quality that makes something laughable or amusing; funniness: could not see the humour of the situation. - Dictionary.com

Wilson, I'm trying very hard to believe you made a failed attempt at humour (it was laughable, just not funny) and/or that you just forgot that smiley or two, but it's just not working yet. BTW I didn't ask Gavin to delete your message, so maybe you fooled him too. And that was the 'amused/bored' response, the 'grumpy/angry' one usually gets nuked pretty quickly.

Wilson X wrote:Must be something in the water there in our capital, PM backflipping, RB backflipping. Next Ric will be drinking white?..

Get your facts straight: The PM doesn't live in Canberra (and I doubt he drinks the local water when he visits), there wasn't any personal backflip from me and Ric lives somewhat closer to Sydney than Canberra.

Wilson X wrote:Looks like I?ve been put in my place, back to the land where lurkers are too scared to post again. .

You don't seem like the easily scared type, so the old 'scaring off the lurkers' bit is a bit feeble here, but if the first two posts is all you have to contribute I'm happy to have you stay a lurker. If you choose to contribute something useful, I'm sure everyone will make you welcome.