The Red or White Burgundy thread

[rooman]

2010 La Poussed d'Or Volnay 1er Cru Clos de la Bousse d'Or
absolutely wonderful young volnay. Bright red fruits, cherries, strawberries, a hint of liquorice, minerals and violets. Strikingly beautiful perfume, great length and super complexity. Very young, but is now certainly approachable. This will be a stunner in another five years. 94pts, drink 2023-2040.

Interesting. I picked up a whole lot of the '99 when the importer had a massive clearance a few years back. I really wish I had keep a few of these tucked away for the future. I can still remember the red fruit profile.

Mark

[michel]

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The sauterne was a rogue found in my mates cellar
Perfume and youth
Add a great cheese and n my woodfired bread and you are in heaven

The reds excelled with power and perfume
Special mention to the
Salon 2004 expressive deft and structured
1988 Vogue Musigny-no other wine is so sulky untit it is ready to go and this is ready
2012 Vogue BM is a legend in the making-more feminine than I have ever seen
2002 Mugnier & Vogue Musigny were so not reflective of the year for me in a grand way -Mugnier is potentially edging out Vogue
2009 BM pair were the most likeable 2009s ever - no heavy fruit for me at all

[felixp21]

Nice!!!!!
Of any wine in the World, I have no doubt that Sauternes changes the most with age, often hard to believe!!!!
Is that a Castagnier BM in the middle? I can't recognise the label.

[michel]

Nice!!!!!
Of any wine in the World, I have no doubt that Sauternes changes the most with age, often hard to believe!!!!
Is that a Castagnier BM in the middle? I can't recognise the label.

Yes Guy Castagnier BM

[rooman]

Nice!!!!!
Of any wine in the World, I have no doubt that Sauternes changes the most with age, often hard to believe!!!!
Is that a Castagnier BM in the middle? I can't recognise the label.

I adore Sauternes and can’t believe what fantastic value it remains. I also enjoy the way the French like to start their meals with it and finish with Barsac.

[TiggerK]

That's some beautiful drinking michel! What restaurant was it? Good?

[michel]

That's some beautiful drinking michel! What restaurant was it? Good?

Vine at New Farm
lovely food and service
we had to take glassware as they were limited
we tipped generously
byo places are getting harder to find

[felixp21]

I am lucky that there is a superb restaurant night downstairs where in live here in China. The Peking Duck is utterly magnificent. So I often eat there casually with the wife, and bring my own glass and a bottle of Burgundy. They apologise profusely, but the house rule is they must charge 15RMB ( $3 AUD) for corkage.

[rooman]

Although I lost the catalogue on the way home, one of the interesting experiences from the French tasting last week was trying Aligote which I’ve never really had any exposure to before.

On getting home I see it is very much the poor cousin in Burgundy and yet talking to the wine makers it would appear to be making a below the radar come back. Fresh, crisp, flinty balanced acid structure, almost Eden Valley riesling like but with more young honey dew melon and bloody cheap due to lack of popularity. I really enjoyed the wine and will aim to pick up some to go with fish or a roast chicken one evening. One of the few names I could recall was Albert Bichots Aligote 2017.

[Polymer]

I quite like Aligote because of the acidity....but it tends to be a bit simple compared to Chardonnay....

Seems pretty hard to find outside of Europe though...

[brodie]

2009 Dm G. Roumier CM village: Had this last night, what a joy to drink. youthful and exuberant with loads and loads of lovely dark red fruits and an amazing silky balance and length, nice acidity making it fresh and enticing. Drinks more like a good 1er cru. I am sure this will age effortlessly but it is so damn drinkable right now, I doubt my remaining bottle will last that long.

brodie

[michel]

2009 Dm G. Roumier CM village: Had this last night, what a joy to drink. youthful and exuberant with loads and loads of lovely dark red fruits and an amazing silky balance and length, nice acidity making it fresh and enticing. Drinks more like a good 1er cru. I am sure this will age effortlessly but it is so damn drinkable right now, I doubt my remaining bottle will last that long.

brodie

he is a fine maker
we had a couple of 2008 recently side by side
Ruchottes Chambertin and Bonnes mares
the BM looked feminine in comparison
silky is the word
now if i could only find a Musigny of his to taste

[rooman]

I quite like Aligote because of the acidity....but it tends to be a bit simple compared to Chardonnay....

Seems pretty hard to find outside of Europe though...

Agree on the taste profile. I actually found it quite refreshing and will try to track some down for lighter meals. There was however half a dozen or more examples on show and having researched it yesterday, I see it is making a come back in burgundy especially some of the older plots where the vines are up to 80 years old.

[Polymer]

Villaine makes one...as does Ramonet...

I quite like De Moor for Aligote as well...

There are some really expensive examples as well...

[felixp21]

There is quite a lot more aligote in Burgundy than a few are willing to admit. Same goes for Pinot Blanc.

One of Burgundy's most respected and famous producers, Domaine Ponsot, makes a (typically) 100% aligote wine in the Cote de Nuits, Morey St Denis 1er Cru Clos des Monts Luisants Blanc.
Laurent proudly and publicly supports the variety.
This a beautiful wine, good luck trying to distinguish it from it's chardonnay-based cousins down South. Probably more Puligny than Mersault, being mineral laden, quite taut, linear and extraordinarily long.

Like Pinot Blanc, Aligote has been forgotten over the years, but indeed both varieties are very capable of making monumental wines.

[michel]

There is quite a lot more aligote in Burgundy than a few are willing to admit. Same goes for Pinot Blanc.

One of Burgundy's most respected and famous producers, Domaine Ponsot, makes a (typically) 100% aligote wine in the Cote de Nuits, Morey St Denis 1er Cru Clos des Monts Luisants Blanc.
Laurent proudly and publicly supports the variety.
This a beautiful wine, good luck trying to distinguish it from it's chardonnay-based cousins down South. Probably more Puligny than Mersault, being mineral laden, quite taut, linear and extraordinarily long.

Like Pinot Blanc, Aligote has been forgotten over the years, but indeed both varieties are very capable of making monumental wines.

Except Ponsots white msd has very little acid unlike a Puligny or Mersault or even Chassagne

[rooman]

The Albert Bichot Aligot which I tried I have found online for just over $21. it strikes me like riesling it is undervalued and clearly can not command the same level of prices that chardonnay from the region asks. I appreciate it is an apples and oranges discussion but for a refreshing summer wine I will aim to pick up some to share with friends on relaxed occasions.

[rooman]

There is quite a lot more aligote in Burgundy than a few are willing to admit. Same goes for Pinot Blanc.

One of Burgundy's most respected and famous producers, Domaine Ponsot, makes a (typically) 100% aligote wine in the Cote de Nuits, Morey St Denis 1er Cru Clos des Monts Luisants Blanc.
Laurent proudly and publicly supports the variety.
This a beautiful wine, good luck trying to distinguish it from it's chardonnay-based cousins down South. Probably more Puligny than Mersault, being mineral laden, quite taut, linear and extraordinarily long.

Like Pinot Blanc, Aligote has been forgotten over the years, but indeed both varieties are very capable of making monumental wines.

The NY Times article I read had an interesting review on the grape,where its been and where it is going including Ponsot.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/06/dining/wh ... igote.html

[felixp21]

There is quite a lot more aligote in Burgundy than a few are willing to admit. Same goes for Pinot Blanc.

One of Burgundy's most respected and famous producers, Domaine Ponsot, makes a (typically) 100% aligote wine in the Cote de Nuits, Morey St Denis 1er Cru Clos des Monts Luisants Blanc.
Laurent proudly and publicly supports the variety.
This a beautiful wine, good luck trying to distinguish it from it's chardonnay-based cousins down South. Probably more Puligny than Mersault, being mineral laden, quite taut, linear and extraordinarily long.

Like Pinot Blanc, Aligote has been forgotten over the years, but indeed both varieties are very capable of making monumental wines.

Except Ponsots white msd has very little acid unlike a Puligny or Mersault or even Chassagne

Not sure I would agree with that, Michel. Like every other wine lover, I have been served this wine blind several times, and been fooled into concluding it is chardonnay every single time, like everyone else around the table every time!!
It's one thing to be presented with a glass of aligote from the Nuits knowing what it is, and another thing entirely when given that glass double blind.

[felixp21]

and, thinking about it, there are a few producers up in the Hautes cotes de Nuits who are making 100% Pinot Blanc wines that are just sensational, and every bit as good as most village wines from their far more illustrious neighbours.

[michel]

There is quite a lot more aligote in Burgundy than a few are willing to admit. Same goes for Pinot Blanc.

One of Burgundy's most respected and famous producers, Domaine Ponsot, makes a (typically) 100% aligote wine in the Cote de Nuits, Morey St Denis 1er Cru Clos des Monts Luisants Blanc.
Laurent proudly and publicly supports the variety.
This a beautiful wine, good luck trying to distinguish it from it's chardonnay-based cousins down South. Probably more Puligny than Mersault, being mineral laden, quite taut, linear and extraordinarily long.

Like Pinot Blanc, Aligote has been forgotten over the years, but indeed both varieties are very capable of making monumental wines.

Except Ponsots white msd has very little acid unlike a Puligny or Mersault or even Chassagne

Not sure I would agree with that, Michel. Like every other wine lover, I have been served this wine blind several times, and been fooled into concluding it is chardonnay every single time, like everyone else around the table every time!!
It's one thing to be presented with a glass of aligote from the Nuits knowing what it is, and another thing entirely when given that glass double blind.

I was talking double blind
It is not a particularly compelling wine...

[felixp21]

I agree, given it's climat, it's not super in a warm vintage, but have a look at the 2014, it will blow you away.

[michel]

I agree, given it's climat, it's not super in a warm vintage, but have a look at the 2014, it will blow you away.

Felix
For dollars involved my liver deserves better!
2014 was such a beautiful year for White Burgundy
Have you tried Mugnier clos de marachele white?
It’s a car crash for structure for me.

[TiggerK]

Have you tried Mugnier clos de marachele white?
It’s a car crash for structure for me.

I thought it very good, quite acid driven, a leaner reticent fruit profile, but elegant and needs time.

[felixp21]

Mugnier has transformed that (once ) pretty derelict vineyard into something very good indeed, a vast improvement from when Faiveley spewed out somewhat ordinary wines. However, I agree, the white is not that great, certainly not at the level of the red. It is OK for me, nothing to write home about.
When driving around Burgundy, as you pass the dip in the road with the Marachele vineyard virtually sitting on the kerb, I always wonder to myself how much the CO would affect the grapes.... pretty busy strip there and heaps of traffic, and you kind of feel that depression traps the dirty air.

[michel]

Have you tried Mugnier clos de marachele white?
It’s a car crash for structure for me.

I thought it very good, quite acid driven, a leaner reticent fruit profile, but elegant and needs time.

In context it is not a serious white in Burgundy...
A curiosity perhaps.

[TiggerK]

A curiosity indeed, but I still felt it pretty serious, albeit expressing a rather different terroir. Depends on what criteria ‘serious’ is measured by I suppose. It certainly ain’t no Montrachet!

[Mark Carrington]

I stay each year in a property which has verlooks the vineyard & feel the notion that the vineyard is polluted is being overstated. And the 2014 white is exrmtremey good.

[felixp21]

reckon you might have been sampling the white as you posted that, Mark
you are right, the white is good that year, but in 2014 it seems to have been extremely hard to make a bad white. The hardest part with the 2014 whites is not drinking them all in the first 2-3 years after you get them!!!!! (so far, I have been pretty unsuccessful in that regard )

[felixp21]

Lovely cool Autumn evening, the perfect time for dinner on the balcony overlooking the stupendous skyline and enjoying some high quality Burgundy.

2008 Domaine du Clos de Tart, Clos de Tart

not sure young Burgundy gets much better than this.
incredible length and complexity, I am not the greatest fan of Clos de Tart, think it generally is pretty expensive for what it is, but this surely changes everything. This is certainly a level above anything Clos des Lambrays can put out there, and those wines are fantastic.
will it improve? yes, certainly, but it is incredibly difficult to resist right now. 98pts

2009 Hudelot-Noellat Romanee St Vivant

Another big H-N RSV, but it retains elegance, balance and plenty of focus. Lovely mineral spine to complement the dark fruits and spice. Like the 08 Clos de Tart, this has plenty of time in front of it, but is drinking surprisingly well right now. An expensive but great Burgundy. 95pts

two "young" Burgundies lead to a discussion on whether the general trend is to cellar red Burgs too long, IMO in the majority of cases that is quite true.