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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:49 am
by Daryl Douglas
Different sub-regions of Great Southern though Davo. I remembered seeing Forest Hill's bragging rights on their website, had to check the Plantagenet site - I make a goose of myself often enough as it is.
Cheers
daz
Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 8:54 am
by Jay60A
n4sir wrote:Jay60A wrote:Davo wrote:n4sir wrote:
1998 Chris Ringland (Three Rivers) Shiraz - the first of the 'Parkerised' wines, quickly followed by Noon & WDC. A whole new export avenue opened to the USA for smaller producers on the back of these first reviews, and a new major influence on local winemaking styles was taking form...
Cheers,
Ian
Greenock Creek RR 1995 (" this is one of the greatest Shiraz I have ever tasted" RP) 1996 & 1998 all 100 Parker Points
Three Rivers 1995 (99 points) 1996 and 1998 both 100 points
I think you have to identify the Industry change, then the wine, and the decide if the wine (or maker) really did something that caused the change.
Cheers -- Jay
Chris Ringland's Three Rivers was mentioned in Campbell Mattinson's book "Why the French Hate Us" as the starting point of the Parker effect, quickly followed by Noon & WDC, which is why I picked them out (he didn't mention Greenock Creek though - maybe they preceded them, or happened the same time or even afterwards). I stuffed up on the dates/vintages though - it would have been the 1995 vintage that was reviewed in 1998, which is where I went amiss.
When you try and narrow it down, it's hard to nail down specific wines that really influenced/represented the
whole Australian wine industry at a major point in its history, which is what I've tried to pick. Not just the first major wine in a particular region or the first of its type, one that has had a major impact on virtually everything, everywhere. That's one reason I think Yellowtail deserves a mention (for better or worse) in addition to Jacob's Creek.
Cheers,
Ian
Yeah, completely agree and what you said I'm reinforcing. Too easy to say a great wine or new region, but did it change the industry? Do you go for the groundbreaker (seed) wine or the first major success wines (the tree)?
I think the seed wines so probably Grosset for screwcaps from me was flawed.
I DO NOT think Shiraz Viognier changes the industry. It's a fad that will pass given time. Screwcaps, blending and winemaker traditional, Grange will not ...
Jay
Great topic.