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Sean wrote:

phillisc wrote:

FredericoWines wrote:2016 Wynns BL cab, how is it?

Ordered and paid for...
Delivery next week, along with the rest of Australia...I suspect that there will be a squillion tasting notes

Cheers Craig

Hi Craig, I picked up the 16 this morning at one of the chains. There was a dozen or so cases in the middle of the store ready to go for the early birds.

(I also got some more 13 and 15 for the same price as the 16.)

Tempted to open a bottle and post a tasting note. But I won’t and I will respect the “embargo” up to the Wynnsday release.

I am assuming Wynnsday might be this Wednesday?

Yes Sean, appears Dans have gone early with $27 pb or thereabouts...would be very interesting if you proffered the first tasting note...reckon your palate and assessment is pretty good.
Yes, first Wednesday in August is Wynnsday...it used to be a great day with oodles of black label, Michael and JR at lunches that went for hours...now just a marketing gimmick, largely unnoticed by the trade and only for a few diehards of the brand
Points mean absolutely nothing to me...I buy the wines regardless and on taste (thats why there is no 2011 BL in my cellar), however, Calliard and Halliday will no doubt have 2-3 of the new releases at 98+
TWE/Wynns don't do anything in Adelaide, and have not for a number of years, but I will have a really good look at the wines on August 17, when the Coonawarra Rd show comes to town.
Cheers
Craig

Sean wrote:

phillisc wrote:

FredericoWines wrote:2016 Wynns BL cab, how is it?

Ordered and paid for...
Delivery next week, along with the rest of Australia...I suspect that there will be a squillion tasting notes

Cheers Craig

Hi Craig, I picked up the 16 this morning at one of the chains. There was a dozen or so cases in the middle of the store ready to go for the early birds.

(I also got some more 13 and 15 for the same price as the 16.)

Tempted to open a bottle and post a tasting note. But I won’t and I will respect the “embargo” up to the Wynnsday release.

I am assuming Wynnsday might be this Wednesday?

Lol. I think the embargo is for journalists, not consumers!

Yes true Swirler, But Sean's note will make for good reading.
Cheers craig

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Ian S wrote:

Ozzie W wrote: Giacomo Bologna (aka: Braida) was the first to realise Barbera was ageworthy. Others such as Vietti, Vajra, La Spinetta, Michele Chiarlo, and Giocomo Conterno have followed. Some of these are very exxy Barbera's.

To be fair, there were a number of Barbera wines capable of ageing well before Braida came along, e.g. Gaja, Vallana etc. some still drinking well at half century old. That said, the Italians aren't as excited about long ageing as us. They like the anniversary bottle concept, but one shop I buy from in Torino assumes these bottles don't actually get opened/drunk, unless it's bought by visiting stranieri.

Braida though was a massive influence, especially in oak ageing which bring in some oak tannins to give the acidity additional support. They've (on the whole) aged well, and CT notes on the 1982 BdelU suggest there is plenty of life in them yet, so it'd quite possible they are more ageworthy,

I was under the impression Braida was the first to use barriques for Barbera instead of botti, which added the oak tannins to support the acid and changed the style of Barbera being produced up until then. Did Gaja/Vallana also use barriques for Barbera prior to Braida? Did they vinify Barbera with the direct intention of them being ageworthy?

Sean wrote:

swirler wrote:Lol. I think the embargo is for journalists, not consumers!

Re any “embargo” I don’t see the point of upsetting anyone if they have one. I was thinking the wine probably shouldn’t have been on sale yet anyway.

I remember the Ozwine blog getting into trouble with Penfolds a few years ago and Andrew had to remove his review until the embargo date. Obviously someone was being pretty serious about it. Looking on the bright side, maybe Andrew was quietly pleased that he was being regarded as a “critic” warranting that kind of attention.

It is all about the critic scores and retail prices, isn’t it?

As far as that goes anyway, l am happy to share my very amateur opinion on the wines when/if I do a tasting or open a bottle.

Oh. I didn't know that. Anyway, I was just having a bit of fun. BTW Who is Andrew?

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Sean, I don't think anyone on here would think of you as being self-inflated!

I'd consider AG as being a journalist, although on the amateur end of the spectrum. He gets invited to a lot of industry tasting. I don't believe you do, although I heard your invitations get sent out, they just got lost in the post

Sean wrote:

swirler wrote:Lol. I think the embargo is for journalists, not consumers!

Re any “embargo” I don’t see the point of upsetting anyone if they have one. I was thinking the wine probably shouldn’t have been on sale yet anyway.

I remember the Ozwine blog getting into trouble with Penfolds a few years ago and Andrew had to remove his review until the embargo date. Obviously someone was being pretty serious about it. Looking on the bright side, maybe Andrew was quietly pleased that he was being regarded as a “critic” warranting that kind of attention.

It is all about the critic scores and retail prices, isn’t it?

As far as that goes anyway, l am happy to share my very amateur opinion on the wines when/if I do a tasting or open a bottle.

Go on Sean open that 16 BL and give us a note please
See that Calliard gave the 15 JR 99 and the 16 BL 98...whatever next!!??
I love the wines but are they that good, suppose so

So this means a 100 pointer for the 16 JR release then...might have to consult the other Craig (NZ) for the 110 scale...ha ha
Cheers
Craig

Ian S wrote:Having a finite capacity to store wine (and not cheating by using offsite storage) is IMO the best way to control spending.

I guess I cheat.

A lot.

phillisc wrote:

Sean wrote:

swirler wrote:Lol. I think the embargo is for journalists, not consumers!

Re any “embargo” I don’t see the point of upsetting anyone if they have one. I was thinking the wine probably shouldn’t have been on sale yet anyway.

I remember the Ozwine blog getting into trouble with Penfolds a few years ago and Andrew had to remove his review until the embargo date. Obviously someone was being pretty serious about it. Looking on the bright side, maybe Andrew was quietly pleased that he was being regarded as a “critic” warranting that kind of attention.

It is all about the critic scores and retail prices, isn’t it?

As far as that goes anyway, l am happy to share my very amateur opinion on the wines when/if I do a tasting or open a bottle.

Go on Sean open that 16 BL and give us a note please
See that Calliard gave the 15 JR 99 and the 16 BL 98...whatever next!!??
I love the wines but are they that good, suppose so

So this means a 100 pointer for the 16 JR release then...might have to consult the other Craig (NZ) for the 110 scale...ha ha
Cheers
Craig

reviews all over social media the last few days for the BL. some saying the 2016 is similar to 2008

WAwineguy wrote:

Michael McNally wrote:6 x Marius Simpatico
6 x Marius Symphony
12 x Wild Duck Creek Estate (8 Springflat and some others)
3 x John Duval Plexus GSM
3 x John Duval Annexus Grenache

2016 Marius is out?

I have my allocation of the 2016’s now available for a pre release purchase, officially released September 1st, or thereabouts.

Anyone interested, email me at gtrott@auswine.com.au, selling really well already! May very well be all gone before release date!

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