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Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:03 pm
by REDRUM
I was at the Marius picking yesterday too! Had to leave at midday to get back to Adelaide to teach a class at 2, so I missed out on all the fun stuff
I'll be back there on Saturday though so say g'day and I can put a name to a face.
2009 Langmeil 'Fifth Wave' old vine grenache last night (& the night before). Bloody good stuff, blackberries, dried figs, dates & a bit of vanilla & spice. Wish I had more of it.
Oh and a glass of homemade 2016 grenache/shiraz. Not quite the same calibre I'm afraid
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:20 pm
by felixp21
Ian S wrote:You probably get a more wide-ranging set of styles than us - outside of a small number of specialist restaurants, most will be an anglicised version brought from Hong Kong.
We did have a wonderful one for a while here, the stuff from the standard menu was stunning and unlike the typical bland 'chinese' food that has taken root here over recent decades. There was also a chinese language menu, which also had all the stuff we'd be too squeamish to eat, but loved by the chinese folk that were eating there. As good as it gets over here IME. It then shut.
A few months later it re-opened, but when our friends went to eat there, the staff were oddly reluctant to serve food, saying they were fully booked when it was almost empty and they wouldn't even do a take-away. Roll on a couple of months and it's been closed down again, but this time by the police as they'd been using the 'restaurant' as a front for a brothel!
The "Chinese" food in Australia can be quite nice, but it is actually nothing like the real thing. I asked the waiter at Flower Drum why they make Peking Duck the way they do (absolutely nothing like the proper stuff) and he just said it was the way Westerners like it!!
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:01 pm
by JamieBahrain
I wish I more adventurous in China . I want to be. Been going there every week for over 15 years, dozens of different cities , yet I can’t come to terms with food safety .
Best recent experience was staying with farmers on a two week Great Wall trek. Very genuine with food prepared fresh Every day.
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:57 pm
by Scotty vino
2016 Skillogalee Gewürztraminer.
lychee, passionfruit little bit of lime.
Impressed that I detected the lychee component as stated on the bottle. Missed the 'rose-water' element but i did detect
some floral notes. Fairly tempered acicity on the palate. I would buy again.
Another Marius Picking soldier from yesdee too.
'18 vintage looking pretty darn solid. Not quite the EPIC '17 harvest but very good nonetheless.
Either way I'm sure Roger will weave his magic with it
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:59 pm
by rooman
felixp21 wrote:haha, yea, a lot of chefs, and books, usually Westernised Chinese expats, classify the best "eight" cuisines. These are considered the "best" by these people, although China has scores more cuisine than that.
However, that classification basically ignores all of the NE China. The "eight" cuisines only go as far North as Shandong, so basically everything North of there has been ignored (which is ridiculous, as the ignored area includes Jin Cuisine, Beijing, the home of China's most famous dish!!!!)
It also basically ignores Yunnan, which many people think produces China's finest cuisine (best noodles in the World, IMO)
Mainlanders talk about the seven great regions/cuisine, and, for example, the cuisines of Anhui and Fujian in your classification are seen as the same.
A lot of Northerners are quite pissed off with that strange "eight cuisine" notion, but many Southerners think it's the go lol.
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So I checked and the book has an extensive analysis on Northern, Northeastern and Northwestern cuisine including the areas you mentioned and a dozen more. So now that the book identifies the region the various dishes come from, I will have a crack at the northern region dishes to see the differences. Bring on Shannxi and Ningxia cuisine.
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:09 pm
by rooman
Bobthebuilder wrote:
Does it have a chilli tripe from the Hunan province recipe?
If so I look forward to your invitation to sample once you have perfected this superb dish
It will go beautifully will a nice Riesling which I know you don’t mind occasionally
On the basis you are even half way serious (given I don't believe any sane person should eat tripe), there is a Tripe and Ginkgo soup recipe from Chaozhou and a tripe and sweet picked mustard greens from Guangdong neither of which I will ever cook. That is one certainty on life.
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:59 pm
by Chuck
REDRUM wrote:I was at the Marius picking yesterday too! Had to leave at midday to get back to Adelaide to teach a class at 2, so I missed out on all the fun stuff
I'll be back there on Saturday though so say g'day and I can put a name to a face.
Apparently Scotty Vino was there as well. Maybe we hide behind our online idendities too much. I won't be there on Saturday but Scotty may be.
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:39 pm
by swirler
Plenty of authentic Chinese restaurants near many big university campuses.
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:48 pm
by phillisc
Chuck wrote:REDRUM wrote:I was at the Marius picking yesterday too! Had to leave at midday to get back to Adelaide to teach a class at 2, so I missed out on all the fun stuff
I'll be back there on Saturday though so say g'day and I can put a name to a face.
Apparently Scotty Vino was there as well. Maybe we hide behind our online idendities too much. I won't be there on Saturday but Scotty may be.
Chuck, RedRum and Scotty V, I am venturing up on Saturday to give Roger a hand...been 30 years since I picked grapes, (don't tell him that) but bit like riding a bike...I am very much looking forward to end of day proceedings. Having procured the last two vintages in a mixed 6 from our Host here, I have never had the pleasure of tasting any of Roger's wines...yet
I'll certainly ask any folk if they are on the forum...not shy in coming forward and might have a few post picking beers at the Victory...if I am in any shape to do so.
Cheers
Craig
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:26 pm
by swirler
"been 30 years since I picked grapes, (don't tell him that)"
Lol. He reads this.
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:42 pm
by Bobthebuilder
rooman wrote:Bobthebuilder wrote:
Does it have a chilli tripe from the Hunan province recipe?
If so I look forward to your invitation to sample once you have perfected this superb dish
It will go beautifully will a nice Riesling which I know you don’t mind occasionally
On the basis you are even half way serious (given I don't believe any sane person should eat tripe), there is a Tripe and Ginkgo soup recipe from Chaozhou and a tripe and sweet picked mustard greens from Guangdong neither of which I will ever cook. That is one certainty on life.
I am deadly serious
But I’m just glad you didn’t call me Shirley
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:11 pm
by phillisc
swirler wrote:"been 30 years since I picked grapes, (don't tell him that)"
Lol. He reads this.
Yeah I know...perhaps I'll be on billy tea duties or washing up...think I'll be OK, did 3 vintages so might be able to work out what to select and where to cut
Cheers
Craig
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:18 pm
by felixp21
swirler wrote:Plenty of authentic Chinese restaurants near many big university campuses.
that is true, plenty around Beida, Wuhan University and SHZ Uni tht I know of.
none in Australia.
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:29 pm
by swirler
I meant Australian university campuses.
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:31 pm
by Dragzworthy
felixp21 wrote:swirler wrote:Plenty of authentic Chinese restaurants near many big university campuses.
that is true, plenty around Beida, Wuhan University and SHZ Uni tht I know of.
none in Australia.
Actually the ones in the campus are even better. I used to love Beijing Second Foreign Language Institutes canteens... I remember the days when they served ducks head and students would run to avoid missing out!
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:52 am
by Chuck
phillisc wrote:Chuck wrote:REDRUM wrote:I was at the Marius picking yesterday too! Had to leave at midday to get back to Adelaide to teach a class at 2, so I missed out on all the fun stuff
I'll be back there on Saturday though so say g'day and I can put a name to a face.
Apparently Scotty Vino was there as well. Maybe we hide behind our online idendities too much. I won't be there on Saturday but Scotty may be.
Chuck, RedRum and Scotty V, I am venturing up on Saturday to give Roger a hand...been 30 years since I picked grapes, (don't tell him that) but bit like riding a bike...I am very much looking forward to end of day proceedings. Having procured the last two vintages in a mixed 6 from our Host here, I have never had the pleasure of tasting any of Roger's wines...yet
I'll certainly ask any folk if they are on the forum...not shy in coming forward and might have a few post picking beers at the Victory...if I am in any shape to do so.
Cheers
Craig
Picking grapes is similar to picking olives. Very simple and not physically taxing. Just a lot of standing up. Dead easy. You talk to people on the other side of the vines but rarely see their faces until the breaks. We solved a lot of the world's problems on Wednesday. The specialty meat pies for morning tea were worth it alone. Roger certainly appreciates the help and is a great host. In a couple of years I can drink a wine I helped make in a small way. Not many of us can say that. That means a lot to me.
Carl
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:44 am
by Scotty vino
2006 ZEMA Estate family selection shiraz.
Pretty good drinking right now. Another 2 years in the bunker is as far as I would leave it.
Dark chocolate/coffee/Vanilla bean nose with some little hints of spice . Some blackberry/dark fruits coming thru.
Wasn't detecing much pepper at all.
It seemed quite voluptuous on the palate with a long lingering finish.
The oak was also quite pronounced and I remember thinking these
wines were semi oaky when I tasted at the CD 2 years ago.
Me thinks it's their style.
Tannin structure was quite fine/subdued which leads me to believe it's probably at it's peak right now.
A pretty solid wine. Maybe a touch on the oaky side. I've a 2010 in waiting lets see how that pans out in a few years.
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:22 pm
by Rossco
2011 Voyager Estate Cab Sav Merlot
Cant remember the last time I had this, or if I have even had one before, but i was thoroughly impressed.
Very elegant and silky. When I was drinking it, throughout the whole time the word 'understatement'
kept running through my head. Everything was understated. The oak, the fruit the tannins, acid... all really
nice, nothing out of place, nothing overpowering. Slightly out of balance as the finish was a little acidic/harsh, but
time will sort that out im sure.
Decanted for 2 hrs and really only started to open up after the 3rd hour as it was still quite closed.
Violets and purple berries, beautiful herbs, medium body and just a lovely perfume note. I would guess the ratio is much more cab sav... 75%++
as I didn't find much of the Merlot 'middle' palate, but there was something else in there.... cab franc maybe? Would explain the perfume.
Although I don't regret opening it, im kind of sad at the same time..... The was is not ready to drink yet and I would hold off another 5 years
possibly more (Drinking window will be open for MANY years after that). My only bottle and now I have to find more and put down for a long sleep.
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:11 pm
by Mike Hawkins
2012 Yalumba The Caley... believe the hype... this is an excellent wine (and at $350 a pop it had better be!). Think The Signature with greater depth of flavour and length. Painfully young, but destined for greatness
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:56 pm
by Rossco
2001 Domain A Cabernet Sauvignon
This really is a lesson in cool climate cab sav. So powerful, so restrained and so young. Yes 17 years young yet doesnt look, feel or taste older than 7.
Perfect purple disk, cork gods were kind. Massive oak, but not dominating. Herbs, slight oregano and dried basil. Green capsicum, mint and earth.
Has decades left. Astonishing really. Moar please
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:05 pm
by swirler
Rossco wrote:2001 Domain A Cabernet Sauvignon
This really is a lesson in cool climate cab sav. So powerful, so restrained and so young. Yes 17 years young yet doesnt look, feel or taste older than 7.
Perfect purple disk, cork gods were kind. Massive oak, but not dominating. Herbs, slight oregano and dried basil. Green capsicum, mint and earth.
Has decades left. Astonishing really. Moar please
Fantastic wine!
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:41 pm
by Mahmoud Ali
felixp21 wrote:Bobthebuilder wrote:Hi Felix,
It might just be your unique palate. Please pm me and I will give you my address so you can send me one of those 86 ers to sample and I will provide you with an honest opinion on how they are drinking
Hahaha, yea, maybe I will finally turn up to an off-line one day, and I'll bring a couple along. Sadly, it's not my unique palate, there are plenty of wine-lovers still complaining about 86.
Speaking of 1986 Bordeaux, apparently the '86 Rausan-Segla is now a glorius wine. A poster on a another wine forum declared it "on of my greatest ever Bordeaux experiences" and gave it 98/100 points. Also on the same forum, the '86 Sociando-Mallet has received some praise. Like Bobthebuilder, I am also prepared to accept any castaways from these "difficult" vintages.
Cheers ............... Mahmoud.
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:49 am
by rooman
Rossco wrote:2011 Voyager Estate Cab Sav Merlot
Cant remember the last time I had this, or if I have even had one before, but i was thoroughly impressed.
Very elegant and silky. When I was drinking it, throughout the whole time the word 'understatement'
kept running through my head. Everything was understated. The oak, the fruit the tannins, acid... all really
nice, nothing out of place, nothing overpowering. Slightly out of balance as the finish was a little acidic/harsh, but
time will sort that out im sure.
Decanted for 2 hrs and really only started to open up after the 3rd hour as it was still quite closed.
Violets and purple berries, beautiful herbs, medium body and just a lovely perfume note. I would guess the ratio is much more cab sav... 75%++
as I didn't find much of the Merlot 'middle' palate, but there was something else in there.... cab franc maybe? Would explain the perfume.
Although I don't regret opening it, im kind of sad at the same time..... The was is not ready to drink yet and I would hold off another 5 years
possibly more (Drinking window will be open for MANY years after that). My only bottle and now I have to find more and put down for a long sleep.
After seeing your note, I decided to open a 2003 to see how it’s tracking. Earlier bottles were closed even out around 12 years but the 2003 with 15 years in the bottle has now opened up and is a superb drink - an excellent Margaret River cab sav. If you picked up enough, try to let some get out past 15 year’s as they really benefit from the extra age..
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:03 am
by rooman
Went to Dear Sainte Eloise in Potts Point on Friday. I’ve been wanting to try it and with one friend who only wanted to drink red (more on that later) it was an excellent excuse. First up the location is an absolute winner tucked down a little lane way off Chalis Ave. Outdoor sitting with wide open windows makes it one of the best summer locations around. The only downside to the bar was the Red was served way too warm and on reflection we should have asked for an ice bucket. The Red was a Luke Lambert Shiraz (or Syrah - can’t remember the exact description and it was a long evening) which I really didn’t enjoy, too light and fruity but I’m prepared to accept it may have fallen apart in the heat.
As for my red drinking friend, she had a unique fetish, she insisted on eating freshly cut up chillies with every glass. When we couldn’t find fresh chillies it was chilli flakes. Claimed it made the wine pop !?! I tried it with one glass but I’m not a convert.
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:57 pm
by Ozzie W
rooman wrote:As for my red drinking friend, she had a unique fetish, she insisted on eating freshly cut up chillies with every glass. When we couldn’t find fresh chillies it was chilli flakes. Claimed it made the wine pop !?! I tried it with one glass but I’m not a convert.
I love spicy food - the hotter the better. For my palate, red wine and chilli is a combination that regrettably doesn't work. It just mutes all the complexities the wine may have and it doesn't enhance the food either. I do try the combination from time to time, but I always regret it afterwards.
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:39 pm
by brodie
Ozzie W wrote:rooman wrote:As for my red drinking friend, she had a unique fetish, she insisted on eating freshly cut up chillies with every glass. When we couldn’t find fresh chillies it was chilli flakes. Claimed it made the wine pop !?! I tried it with one glass but I’m not a convert.
I love spicy food - the hotter the better. For my palate, red wine and chilli is a combination that regrettably doesn't work. It just mutes all the complexities the wine may have and it doesn't enhance the food either. I do try the combination from time to time, but I always regret it afterwards.
Hi Irvine, Yup my experience too. Married to a Malaysian who cooks very hot food frequently. Riesling is the best bet. Rose can work as well.
For actual red wines, you need something with very low tannins like a Beaujolais. There are some Pinots made a la Beaujolais with low tannins and an early drinking style - I don't buy these so have no experience with them! Tannins are the problem, which is why oaked whites like Chardonnay don't work either. YMMV but this is my experience after 30 years of experimenting.
Brodie
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:54 pm
by rooman
Ozzie W wrote:rooman wrote:As for my red drinking friend, she had a unique fetish, she insisted on eating freshly cut up chillies with every glass. When we couldn’t find fresh chillies it was chilli flakes. Claimed it made the wine pop !?! I tried it with one glass but I’m not a convert.
I love spicy food - the hotter the better. For my palate, red wine and chilli is a combination that regrettably doesn't work. It just mutes all the complexities the wine may have and it doesn't enhance the food either. I do try the combination from time to time, but I always regret it afterwards.
I agree. I did try one but it was as expected, the chilli just overpowered the red. Still worth asking if anyone else likes really spicy food and Cab savs. I would prefer rieslings any day of the week.
Mark
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:24 pm
by Bobthebuilder
I'm wondering if the whole thing about the chilli pop had nothing to do with wine
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:55 pm
by Ian S
Ozzie W wrote:rooman wrote:As for my red drinking friend, she had a unique fetish, she insisted on eating freshly cut up chillies with every glass. When we couldn’t find fresh chillies it was chilli flakes. Claimed it made the wine pop !?! I tried it with one glass but I’m not a convert.
I love spicy food - the hotter the better. For my palate, red wine and chilli is a combination that regrettably doesn't work. It just mutes all the complexities the wine may have and it doesn't enhance the food either. I do try the combination from time to time, but I always regret it afterwards.
Certainly it would need a red without noticeable tannins, be that at the light or the rich end of the scale. Maybe worth trying one of the softer sparkling shirazes for double the pop
That said, some people become quite accustomed to chilli, so I dare say their palate can cope better.
Re: Right, what are we/you drinking now .. tonight
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:40 pm
by felixp21
2011 San Salvatore Aglianico Omaggio a Gillo Dorfles Paestum IGT
just a wonderful wine, amazing. Huge, dense and black as night still, this delivers masses of black fruits and roses on a broad, complex and long palate.
Like a massive Aussie shiraz, but finishes bone dry and is not in the slightest bit cloying.
Organic, might be one of the best organic wines I have yet seen.
In a word, brilliant.
Thus far, I have found the Aussie attempts of this variety (and Fiano) to be terrible, but given the low-quality of imports wrt these varieties, they seem ok back down in Aus. Find one of these, and you may never buy another Aussie shiraz again!!!