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rooman wrote:

Craig(NZ) wrote:I will wait till it hits the clearance bins in the auckland supermarkets

No matter how good it is $400-500 is just too much in a world where other interests exist (not sure all of us live in that world, but im speaking for those that do)

Craig

Can you let us know the price over there when you see it. I need to come to Auckland soon and last time I was over I saw the 2002 going for less than $NZ300 at the big Foodtown down on Quay St. I really should have picked one up. Never mind.

Not Gloating or anything but i picked up a case of 02 and 03 grange for $1250 a six pack , thats 207 dollars a bottle i dont have much grange and at this price its affordable

Regards Dazza

dazza1968 wrote:

rooman wrote:

Craig(NZ) wrote:I will wait till it hits the clearance bins in the auckland supermarkets

No matter how good it is $400-500 is just too much in a world where other interests exist (not sure all of us live in that world, but im speaking for those that do)

Craig

Can you let us know the price over there when you see it. I need to come to Auckland soon and last time I was over I saw the 2002 going for less than $NZ300 at the big Foodtown down on Quay St. I really should have picked one up. Never mind.

Not Gloating or anything but i picked up a case of 02 and 03 grange for $1250 a six pack , thats 207 dollars a bottle i dont have much grange and at this price its affordable

Just - but by all accounts of the 02 and it's usual price, a deadset bargain. Good score!

Cheers

daz

[/quote] Not Gloating or anything but i picked up a case of 02 and 03 grange for $1250 a six pack , thats 207 dollars a bottle i dont have much grange and at this price its affordable [/quote]

Just - but by all accounts of the 02 and it's usual price, a deadset bargain. Good score!

Cheers

daz[/quote]

Yes i am, I dont buy it but at the same price(or close to)bin 707 i think i can not go wrong . I paid 260 a botttle for the 98's back a while so you really do have to be careful not to get caught in the hype of it all

regards Dazza

Just got a glossy mail from VC.

2004 Grange $699
2005 St Henri $99.95

Are they kidding themselves???

monghead wrote:Just got a glossy mail from VC.

2004 Grange $699
2005 St Henri $99.95

Are they kidding themselves???

Yes spot on They are !!!!! Mind you someone will pay it I cancelled my order for st henri ! same price as moss wood and others

Regards dazza

monghead wrote:Just got a glossy mail from VC.

2004 Grange $699
2005 St Henri $99.95

Are they kidding themselves???

Yep. Haven’t bought wine from those folk for years. Most of my stock used to come from there but all of a sudden they became an over rrp outlet for some stupid reason. Think they only cater for the walk in and don’t care how much crew. Never again for me.

Partagas wrote:

monghead wrote:Just got a glossy mail from VC.

2004 Grange $699
2005 St Henri $99.95

Are they kidding themselves???

Yep. Haven’t bought wine from those folk for years. Most of my stock used to come from there but all of a sudden they became an over rrp outlet for some stupid reason. Think they only cater for the walk in and don’t care how much crew. Never again for me.

But you know, they recently had a 30% sale on everything, which made their prices very competitive. Hopefully this returns.

Grange just available on pre-order in the UK. The price is about £150 or a bit over AU$300.
Bin 707 is £56 or AU$110.

I have to say Penfolds are MASTERFUL at how they market and lead up to the Grange release ... reviews, press coverage, ensure there are no dissenting opinions. But I'll pass until I see it 20% lower.

Blighty certainly does seem to have some sharp prices of the Penfolds compared to Oz, I see that the St Henri 04 is going for 24GBP, so $50AUD. I think I might as well pick a couple up when back there next month.

Clearly the pound price is helped by the very strong Aussie dollar against the GBP

Is it right that you can only bring back 3 bottles before getting thumped by taxes?

Cheers

Noted elsewhere but for the purpose of this thread:

In NZ supermarket chain this week: Gift pack 2004 St Henri with free copy of Rewards of Patience $65.

Going rate in NZ for Grange is $550. Would be surprised to see supermarkets release at $499

Go to Woolies Liquor, but another 5 bottles of something and get 10 % off all. Makes it about $550 then.

Jay60A wrote:The interesting anomaly is that here in the UK I can get Grange 1991 for the same price as 2003. 1996 is cheaper than both, and yet is perhaps one of the greatest (my 6-pack is sleeping).

Smart money says Grange should be back-bought - in about every vintage since 1990 ...

If the 1996 Grange is so good as eveybody claimed, why is cheaper than the 2003 & 1991?
It doesn't make any sense to pay the hyped price of the current release Grange.
Just my 2 cents
Boyeah

Who knows? Peter Gago rates the 2004 the best Grange for 25(?) years but compares its style to the 1990 and 1996 vintages....go figure

Boyeah wrote:

Jay60A wrote:The interesting anomaly is that here in the UK I can get Grange 1991 for the same price as 2003. 1996 is cheaper than both, and yet is perhaps one of the greatest (my 6-pack is sleeping).

Smart money says Grange should be back-bought - in about every vintage since 1990 ...

If the 1996 Grange is so good as eveybody claimed, why is cheaper than the 2003 & 1991?
It doesn't make any sense to pay the hyped price of the current release Grange.
Just my 2 cents
Boyeah

The answer is that Penfolds raise the price every year. People tend to buy in the first few years and then is hard to sell as people have bought what they want.

I think Penfolds made a lot of Grange in 1996 so supply was high, yet Parker gave it only 93 points. 1996 is a "sleeper" vintage which has been unappreciated by critics like RP who prefer all-singing, all-dancing fruit forward wines from day 1. Nevertheless 1996 is emerging as one of the true great vintages, like 1971 and 1986 and Oliver, Halliday and Mattinson are pretty unanimous in their praise (which is not that common).

I have no reason to doubt that the 2004 Grange is anything less than an all-time great and I believe time will show the 2004 SA vintage to be significantly better than 2005/06.

But either it is overpriced or 1996 is underpriced in relative terms.

It's all moot, I won't buy now but will save some pennies for the Special Bin 620 in a year or two which will be in shorter supply I suspect.

We tasted the 2004 Grange today, under less than optimal conditions (you can probably guess where).

It had been double decanted, and had been breathing for 1 hour, but clearly this was just not enough, and the iso glasses didn't help either.

My impression was of concentrated fruit (plums and cherries), tar and licorice, moderate vanilla oak, and fine tannins, a little pepper, lots of Indian spices, and it has a very, very long finish.

Under the tasting circumstances, it would be grossly unfair to say any more.

Cheers

John

My local here in Belconnen ACT had a shiraz expo today. First 100 customers got a 30 mL shot of 04 grange in a standard ISO glass. Very nice. Long finish like you said John. However i would prefer to have a couple of cases of Shawn Kalleske's Laughing Jack Shiraz at ~$34 for the same price. I remember buying a 98 Grange when it was released and picked it up for a steal at $350. Cracked it open last year and it was absolutely fantastic, but what a shame I couldn't wait longer, damn rewards of patience when i have none.

Had a generous sample today. Here are my thoughts:

2004 Penfolds Grange. It was brilliant to get a chance to have a decent sample of this wine for a reasonable cost. At $550+ a bottle it is more a status symbol than a drink these days. It is good to have an opinion though on this wine not based on things outside the glass, especially for a vintage so lauded. Dark purple black in the glass, the nose of this wine definitely is aristocratic with a full array of deep set old leather seat, deep spice and dark tarry black fruits. The palate is precise, restrained and layered and at this stage dominated a little by chocolate, malty oak but with plenty of textured dark fruits underneath. It is a modern wine with elegant tannins and the term “saturated” which I have read elsewhere describing is definitely apt. It is a wine with a long future but for me the oak and associated flavours dominated a bit on the palate and it just lacked a bit of wow factor. Immediately I compared back to when I tasted the 2004 Penfolds Block 42 Kalimna Cabernet Sauvignon a few months ago. My feeling is I preferred that over Grange for it purity of fruit expression. I have a similar conclusion to make when comparing the 2004 Grange to my favourite vintage Grange; 1996. Immediately after trying the 2004 Grange today, I sampled again the 2006 Craggy Range Block 14 Syrah. This is a wine I could buy 2 cases of at the moment for the same price as one bottle of Grange. To be honest, I enjoyed the Craggy Range more. It is really singing at the moment. I am thinking perhaps the market forces that allow a realisation of $550 for Grange somehow are not connected completely to common sense. 98/109

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Thanks for the lice

Craig(NZ) wrote:Had a generous sample today. Here are my thoughts:

2004 Penfolds Grange. It was brilliant to get a chance to have a decent sample of this wine for a reasonable cost. At $550+ a bottle it is more a status symbol than a drink these days. It is good to have an opinion though on this wine not based on things outside the glass, especially for a vintage so lauded. Dark purple black in the glass, the nose of this wine definitely is aristocratic with a full array of deep set old leather seat, deep spice and dark tarry black fruits. The palate is precise, restrained and layered and at this stage dominated a little by chocolate, malty oak but with plenty of textured dark fruits underneath. It is a modern wine with elegant tannins and the term “saturated” which I have read elsewhere describing is definitely apt. It is a wine with a long future but for me the oak and associated flavours dominated a bit on the palate and it just lacked a bit of wow factor. Immediately I compared back to when I tasted the 2004 Penfolds Block 42 Kalimna Cabernet Sauvignon a few months ago. My feeling is I preferred that over Grange for it purity of fruit expression. I have a similar conclusion to make when comparing the 2004 Grange to my favourite vintage Grange; 1996. Immediately after trying the 2004 Grange today, I sampled again the 2006 Craggy Range Block 14 Syrah. This is a wine I could buy 2 cases of at the moment for the same price as one bottle of Grange. To be honest, I enjoyed the Craggy Range more. It is really singing at the moment. I am thinking perhaps the market forces that allow a realisation of $550 for Grange somehow are not connected completely to common sense. 98/109

Had to have a try myself and purchased a few, I, like most of the reviews Ive seen rate it as a cheap 1st growth more than an overpriced $100 wine to compete with say a craggy range because thats more the class it keeps. A few for special occasions is cheap as chips for such a wine in my eyes as it was/is a wine that i simply never will drink every year like many sub $200 wines in my cellar. For the record its the 1st Ive purchased new since the 96. Interesting JR has scored it pretty damn close to her best 2005 Bordeaux 1st Growth....As i said its a very cheap 1st growth and even then 1 from a super vintage.

platinum wrote:

Craig(NZ) wrote:Had a generous sample today. Here are my thoughts:

2004 Penfolds Grange. It was brilliant to get a chance to have a decent sample of this wine for a reasonable cost. At $550+ a bottle it is more a status symbol than a drink these days. It is good to have an opinion though on this wine not based on things outside the glass, especially for a vintage so lauded. Dark purple black in the glass, the nose of this wine definitely is aristocratic with a full array of deep set old leather seat, deep spice and dark tarry black fruits. The palate is precise, restrained and layered and at this stage dominated a little by chocolate, malty oak but with plenty of textured dark fruits underneath. It is a modern wine with elegant tannins and the term “saturated” which I have read elsewhere describing is definitely apt. It is a wine with a long future but for me the oak and associated flavours dominated a bit on the palate and it just lacked a bit of wow factor. Immediately I compared back to when I tasted the 2004 Penfolds Block 42 Kalimna Cabernet Sauvignon a few months ago. My feeling is I preferred that over Grange for it purity of fruit expression. I have a similar conclusion to make when comparing the 2004 Grange to my favourite vintage Grange; 1996. Immediately after trying the 2004 Grange today, I sampled again the 2006 Craggy Range Block 14 Syrah. This is a wine I could buy 2 cases of at the moment for the same price as one bottle of Grange. To be honest, I enjoyed the Craggy Range more. It is really singing at the moment. I am thinking perhaps the market forces that allow a realisation of $550 for Grange somehow are not connected completely to common sense. 98/109

Had to have a try myself and purchased a few, I, like most of the reviews Ive seen rate it as a cheap 1st growth more than an overpriced $100 wine to compete with say a craggy range because thats more the class it keeps. A few for special occasions is cheap as chips for such a wine in my eyes as it was/is a wine that i simply never will drink every year like many sub $200 wines in my cellar. For the record its the 1st Ive purchased new since the 96. Interesting JR has scored it pretty damn close to her best 2005 Bordeaux 1st Growth....As i said its a very cheap 1st growth and even then 1 from a super vintage.

Mate, every wine looks cheap compared to First Growth prices, they are insane, which is not to say the price of Grange is not insane also.

Wine buying - excluding investment which I would not buy Grange for - at this price level and like most luxury purchases is more about unmet emotional and psychological needs (need to acquire "the best", need to have a wine for a special occasion, need to keep the vertical complete, need to impress, need not to feel left out) plus having significant spare cash. Basically marketing then makes you feel bad/insecure about yourself and hey presto, you buy some .

Discussions on the price vs quality ratio on any luxury products is not related to common sense for sure.

Had to have a try myself and purchased a few, I, like most of the reviews Ive seen rate it as a cheap 1st growth more than an overpriced $100 wine to compete with say a craggy range because thats more the class it keeps. A few for special occasions is cheap as chips for such a wine in my eyes as it was/is a wine that i simply never will drink every year like many sub $200 wines in my cellar. For the record its the 1st Ive purchased new since the 96. Interesting JR has scored it pretty damn close to her best 2005 Bordeaux 1st Growth....As i said its a very cheap 1st growth and even then 1 from a super vintage.

Perfectly aware some hold other opinions which is fine. I am just relaying mine. I had a friend trying it with me also who was thinking of buying one. We both tried it next to some other iconic but far cheaper wines and between us we just couldn't see the money in it. This is a conclusion and a criticism that all luxury goods need to expect. Although I seldom purchase mega expensive wines, I do so very occassionally so I am not just luxury good bashing here with uncontrolled envy the motive. My honest conclusion with 2004 Grange was as above. The fact that everyone on the face of the planet doesnt see the sparkle you do shouldnt make you feel insecure.

Having said all that, if someone wants to pour me a glass, im unlikely to say "no thanks"