To decanter? I don't think so!

Jay60A · Post by **Jay60A** » Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:44 pm

Erez,

We are simple folk (at least I am, lest I enrage the masses). But trust me on this ...

Post a few TNs, add a few smilies and all will be forgiven. :wink:

/Jay.

TORB · Post by **TORB** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:35 am

Gary W wrote:
TORB wrote:
Language changes and evolves, weather you and I like it or not.

Not all of us are blessed with the ability to produce 100% correct English all the time; some of us have other skills.

TORB...I hate to point this out at such a time ... but the word you need to use here is whether

GW

Ar GW,

Wots the old saing, peoples what lives in glas howses shood not walk round in the nuddy cause they will be exposed. :shock:

And it looks like I have exposed myself. :oops:

Ratcatcher · Post by **Ratcatcher** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:28 pm

What's the diff between bottle and decanter?

ie: you put wine in a bottle you bottled it.

you put wine in a decanter you decantered it.

You use the technique of pouring the wine from a bottle to any another vessel to allow it to air and remove sediment - you decanted it.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:46 pm

Grammar is so over rated. what is the main purpose of language? to communicate and get our point across. so who cares about grammar? If you can understand what I have to say then that's good enough. It has served its purpose.

Gavin Trott · Post by **Gavin Trott** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:23 pm

Rob wrote:Grammar is so over rated. what is the main purpose of language? to communicate and get our point across. so who cares about grammar? If you can understand what I have to say then that's good enough. It has served its purpose.

Agreed

Its also ever changing

hence, if everyone in the world starts to say

decantered

decantered it will eventually become.

Christo · Post by **Christo** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:40 pm

Rob wrote:Grammar is so over rated.

agree... incorect grama is so hot right now!! :wink:

c

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:31 pm

Christo wrote:
agree... incorect grama is so hot right now!!

c

It gives a bit of character and individuality.

GraemeG · Post by **GraemeG** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:11 am

Rob wrote:Grammar is so over rated. what is the main purpose of language? to communicate and get our point across. so who cares about grammar? If you can understand what I have to say then that's good enough. It has served its purpose.

Well, grammar is the framework for doing that. Communicating. Would you say "What's the point of acid and tannin in wine. So long as it tastes good, who cares?" Of course you wouldn't.

Grammar amounts to the same thing. Neglecting it causes confusion. That terrific student's sentence from 'History of the World' provides a wonderful one-sentence example of the confusion (& hilarity) caused by grammatical error:

Lincoln wrote the Gettysburg address while travelling from Washington to Gettysburg on the back of an envelope.

That's funny, but you may be able to work out what it means. How about

"The student's reading skills were very poor"

vs

"the students' reading skills were very poor"

One dumb kid or a whole generational problem?

Without the grammar there's no communication...

cheers,
Graeme

GraemeG · Post by **GraemeG** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:17 am

Ratcatcher wrote:What's the diff between bottle and decanter?

ie: you put wine in a bottle you bottled it.

you put wine in a decanter you decantered it.

You use the technique of pouring the wine from a bottle to any another vessel to allow it to air and remove sediment - you decanted it.

'Bottle' is both noun and verb. 'bottled' is just the past tense of the verb 'to bottle'.

'Decanter' is noun only. The verb is 'decant', past tense 'decanted'.

Anyone got access to a decent dictionary? Does it allow 'decanter' as a verb? I'd be surprised...

cheers,
Graeme

Michael McNally · Post by **Michael McNally** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:33 pm

Graeme

Not sure your attempts to introduce logic and rationality to the debate will be well received (judging by the rest of this thread, you may become the object of some derision). To answer your possibly rhetorical question, the Oxford English Dictionary lists the transitive verb, "to decant", the meaning of which I am sure many of us are familiar with

. The past participle is noted as "decanted". The OED does not list "decanter" as a verb, only as a noun.

Michael

Daryl Douglas · Post by **Daryl Douglas** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:38 am

Hey AJ.......

Hope you're getting as much of a laugh from this thread as I am, not that I've read all the posts. I did note that someone else used the horse analogy :lol:

. Seems the dictionaries have also been getting a bit of a workout :roll:

I think this horse has run it's course and should be retired.

Erez, this issue's been aired before. Read a bit more around here before you emulate me on a high horse over the misuse of the English language.

Gavin, please lock this thread it's getting repetitive.

daz

Ratcatcher · Post by **Ratcatcher** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:56 am

With all due respect Daz this is not your forum. If you don't like a discussion, ignore it.

I don't think you actually have superior rights to the rest of us to permit you to instruct Gavin what to delete and what to leave.

I'm sure you weren't meaning to sound as supercilious as you did.

bacchaebabe · Post by **bacchaebabe** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:28 pm

Being a grammer nazi from way back, I completely agree with Erez and Graham. Go guys!

No excuse for bad grammer - typos on the other hand - well no-one is perfect.

I know I'm sad but I even use correct grammer in texts.

Daryl Douglas · Post by **Daryl Douglas** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:29 pm

Ratcatcher wrote:With all due respect Daz this is not your forum. If you don't like a discussion, ignore it.

I don't think you actually have superior rights to the rest of us to permit you to instruct Gavin what to delete and what to leave.

I'm sure you weren't meaning to sound as supercilious as you did.

Hey Ratty, my post was meant to be very tongue-in-cheek. Sorry if you found it supercilious. No instruction was given to Gavin. Did you note the "please"?

Cheers

daz

Andrew Jordan · Post by **Andrew Jordan** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:37 pm

Daryl Douglas wrote::lol:

Hey AJ.......

Hope you're getting as much of a laugh from this thread as I am, not that I've read all the posts. I did note that someone else used the horse analogy . Seems the dictionaries have also been getting a bit of a workout

Hey Daz,

And I thought all I had to worry about was you! :wink:

Isn't it amazing that 2 letters added to a word has caused so much interest. At the end of the day does it REALLY matter? If I had used decanted or decantered, either way everybody here understood what I meant which is all that matters.. isn't it? Why aren't we concentrating on the really important things .... like wine? Isn't this what the forum is here for anyway?? If some on this forum put as much energy in posting tasting notes and impressions as they do in giving spelling advice then we would all be better for it. If wine doesn't interest you ... go to a spelling forum and knock yourself out! :wink:

griff · Post by **griff** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:50 pm

I love how a wine forum can turn into a whine forum when the river runs dry.

I don't think that we should be too hard on people who don't write correctly. We are all friends here, or at least joined by a common interest.

After all, there is no such thing as wrong grammer. Merely grammer that is incorrect :twisted:

Anyone for a drink