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And there's a lot of good old Pennies sentiment here and why wouldn't there be? I wish I could still buy a Victorian terrace for what it was when 389 was $18 a bottle .

Clown wine

Craig(NZ) wrote:Clown wine

Noted ! Being a Grange drinker yourself, that comment has considerable traction.

Noted ! Being a Grange drinker yourself, that comment has considerable traction.

Grange at today's retail prices may well be clown wine as well

Craig(NZ) wrote:

Noted ! Being a Grange drinker yourself, that comment has considerable traction.

Grange at today's retail prices may well be clown wine as well

He, he, that's funny.

JamieBahrain wrote:And there's a lot of good old Pennies sentiment here and why wouldn't there be? I wish I could still buy a Victorian terrace for what it was when 389 was $18 a bottle .

Trouble is for Pennies, that other producers have not been so ambitious with 'pricing for prestige'. Labels even within the same stable were (to my tastes) better than the Pennies equivalent for similar prices back at the turn of the century. Now it's daft. Wynns Black Label CS vs Pennies Bin407? BAck around 2000 they were priced similarly. I don't think many (if any) here would pick the 407 over the Black Label on quality/preference basis, in any vintage since that time, yet the Wynns is now ~ half the price of the Pennies!

Plenty of other wineries keeping prices in line with inflation and getting our money.

Not a problem for Pennies if they are selling through in China. I hope that's happening because they've f*cked the home market, plus traditional markets like over here. A remarkable achievement for a brand that had great brand loyalty and exceptional penetration into the mainstream.

Ian S wrote:

JamieBahrain wrote:And there's a lot of good old Pennies sentiment here and why wouldn't there be? I wish I could still buy a Victorian terrace for what it was when 389 was $18 a bottle .

Trouble is for Pennies, that other producers have not been so ambitious with 'pricing for prestige'. Labels even within the same stable were (to my tastes) better than the Pennies equivalent for similar prices back at the turn of the century. Now it's daft. Wynns Black Label CS vs Pennies Bin407? BAck around 2000 they were priced similarly. I don't think many (if any) here would pick the 407 over the Black Label on quality/preference basis, in any vintage since that time, yet the Wynns is now ~ half the price of the Pennies!

Plenty of other wineries keeping prices in line with inflation and getting our money.

Not a problem for Pennies if they are selling through in China. I hope that's happening because they've f*cked the home market, plus traditional markets like over here. A remarkable achievement for a brand that had great brand loyalty and exceptional penetration into the mainstream.

+1 Ian, John Riddoch 2012 and '13 which I secured a 6-pack of each for under a $100 per bottle vs. 707 at 5 times the price
The other one that always makes me laugh is 128...(have tried the last 30 vintages, the 86, 90 and 91 were good, the others forgettable) vs. Wynns Shiraz at 1/3 to 1/4 the price.
For the only wine in the stable apart from Magill to come from a single area, the Wynns blows it into the weeds.

Cheers
Craig

Hi Jamie : Probably the rarest, most luxurious and coveted bottle of Australian wine ever released. @@@@@ has 24 bottles to offer out of only 1200 on the entire planet. No other offers are advertised in the market. This is totally exclusive for our VIP clients.

First come, first served

24 bottles available
Individual gift box 1x75cl
ETA HK mid-late Dec

Penfolds G3
HK$18,988.00/bt
Buy 3 $18,588.00/bt

Hmmmm. I replied that I thought HKG tax free and it should be $1500 a bottle if not living in a country where the welfare bill is 300K a minute and not continuously at war. :-0


I'm putting together a Grange vertical from 71 onwards for my wine group using stock from a member's cellar who has sadly passed- so our pricing affordable. At $1500 I would have thrown in a G3. Why not? Passionate drinkers and a one off opportunity of a lifetime in a Grange line-up.

Word on the street is that it is "sold out".

-- George Krashos

George Krashos wrote:Word on the street is that it is "sold out".

Move along folks, move along, it's just an accident, move along.

Mahmoud.

George Krashos wrote:Word on the street is that it is "sold out".

-- George Krashos

Yes. Great inititiative by Penfolds.

I think they should do the same with 707 and 389. Then be really novel and do a Koonunga Hill five vintage blend at $100 a bottle.

Why stop there? They could make the ultimate Cab/Shiraz blend by mixing Bin 707 with Grange, and since Treasury also own Wynn's they could also market an ultra-premium Michael Riddoch Cab/Shiraz. Then other wineries like Rockford and Lehmann could join hands and make Stonewell Basket Press and with their success others join in with O'Shea's Graveyard and Mary Kathleen's Dead. Soon the average punter would be afforded the opportunity to indulge in Yellow Penguin. The possibilities are endless. Embrace the future fellow formites.

Mahmoud.

Mahmoud Ali wrote:Why stop there? They could make the ultimate Cab/Shiraz blend by mixing Bin 707 with Grange, and since Treasury also own Wynn's they could also market an ultra-premium Michael Riddoch Cab/Shiraz. Then other wineries like Rockford and Lehmann could join hands and make Stonewell Basket Press and with their success others join in with O'Shea's Graveyard and Mary Kathleen's Dead. Soon the average punter would be afforded the opportunity to indulge in Yellow Penguin. The possibilities are endless. Embrace the future fellow formites.

Mahmoud.

Mahmoud, they did, its called Wynns Centenary...but one big bloody difference it was the same price as either the 91 Riddoch or Michael (about $27 pb)

Lucky enough to still have the best part of a dozen of all three.

What I would like to see is a return of Kalimna quality (an 80s vintage would rival St Henri now). Perhaps a winery could blow me over by producing or revisiting something that they did better 20 years ago...with shock horror a retro price to match.
Cheers
Craig

phillisc wrote:Mahmoud, they did, its called Wynns Centenary...but one big bloody difference it was the same price as either the 91 Riddoch or Michael (about $27 pb). Lucky enough to still have the best part of a dozen of all three.

Ah yes, I do recall. They priced it to make sure almost every household in Australia had one or were gifted a bottle. There's even a magnum in my inlaw's house and they were a beer and white wine household when I first visited.

The follow up to that is that I got the white wine drinker to try better red wines and now she only drinks red wine. A success if you will but not what I had in mind.

Mahmoud.