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Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:19 am
by Mahmoud Ali
Orpheus wrote:
"Mahmoud, When you open the Tahbilk, post a tasting note. It would be very interesting to know what it is like after 30 years."
In another post I promised Daz that I would write a tasting note on the '82 Tahbilk Cabernet when I opened my next bottle. Your remark about "30 years" has given me the idea that I should think about opening it next year, 2012. It's either that or the '82 Taltarni Cabernet.
Cheers..................Mahmoud.
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:15 pm
by daz
Mahmoud Ali wrote:Orpheus wrote:
"Mahmoud, When you open the Tahbilk, post a tasting note. It would be very interesting to know what it is like after 30 years."
In another post I promised Daz that I would write a tasting note on the '82 Tahbilk Cabernet when I opened my next bottle. Your remark about "30 years" has given me the idea that I should think about opening it next year, 2012. It's either that or the '82 Taltarni Cabernet.
Cheers..................Mahmoud.
Aww, go on, open 'em both next year!
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:50 am
by Mahmoud Ali
Daz,
Not a bad idea, but I hesitate only because I don't want to go through my older Australian wines all at once. Need to keep something to show off against older Bordeaux.
Mahmoud.
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:36 pm
by JAYCEE
Rossco wrote:I have posted this before, but for me, you cant go past Tahbilk wineclub shiraz. $9.95 per bottle, 2003 vintage delivered to your door (have to buy a doz for free delivery)
8 years old and is an amazing wine for the price.
Rossco, CAn I ask where you are buying these from ? I can;t find anyone selling them
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:36 pm
by JAYCEE
Rossco wrote:I have posted this before, but for me, you cant go past Tahbilk wineclub shiraz. $9.95 per bottle, 2003 vintage delivered to your door (have to buy a doz for free delivery)
8 years old and is an amazing wine for the price.
Rossco, CAn I ask where you are buying these from ? I can;t find anyone selling them
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:29 pm
by daz
JAYCEE wrote:Rossco wrote:I have posted this before, but for me, you cant go past Tahbilk wineclub shiraz. $9.95 per bottle, 2003 vintage delivered to your door (have to buy a doz for free delivery)
8 years old and is an amazing wine for the price.
Rossco, CAn I ask where you are buying these from ? I can;t find anyone selling them
I can answer that JAYCEE. Direct from the winery only, from their Everyday Drinking range and available to Tahbilk Wineclub members only. It's on the website
www.tahbilk.com.au
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:17 pm
by JAYCEE
Thanks Daz,
Order placed
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:34 pm
by daz
JAYCEE wrote:Thanks Daz,
Order placed
You're wlecome, should order some myself! I quite enjoyed the regular label shraz 03.
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:01 am
by xsorxpire
daz wrote:JAYCEE wrote:Rossco wrote:I have posted this before, but for me, you cant go past Tahbilk wineclub shiraz. $9.95 per bottle, 2003 vintage delivered to your door (have to buy a doz for free delivery)
8 years old and is an amazing wine for the price.
Rossco, CAn I ask where you are buying these from ? I can;t find anyone selling them
I can answer that JAYCEE. Direct from the winery only, from their Everyday Drinking range and available to Tahbilk Wineclub members only. It's on the website
http://www.tahbilk.com.au
Grabbed a case.
Thanks.
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:12 am
by Rossco
I better grab another couple of cases....looks like they wont last much longer at this rate
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:43 am
by rens
2009 Cirillo the vincent Grenache is a great little drop at sub $17.
Also really liking the Turners Crossing Shiraz and Cabertnet at around the $20. Very similar quality cool climate wine to the Rufus stone mentioned by some.
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:46 am
by orpheus
Thanks, Rens, will give the Turners Crossing a try.
Never been a great fan of Australian Grenache. How would you describe the Cirillo?
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:50 pm
by rens
The cirillo has nice fruit-cherry/raspberry mixed with exotic asian spice. It's medium weight with a nice creamy texture, fine acidity and tannins to match. The finish is a good 30sec, perhaps a bit longer. It is definitely in the mold of an Aussie grenache, no one could confuse where it was from. Gavin has some in store, I brought a couple more yesterday just to fill out a half case.
The turners crossing shiraz and cabernet are available at one of the big retailers, or from the winery direct (only in cases (ie 12)). Something that my be of interest from the winery, is what they call a cellar pack(4 x 2003, 4 x 2004 and 4 x 2006 (all Cabernet)) for $250 delivered. A mini-vertical to see how they age I guess.
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:57 pm
by ticklenow1
rens wrote:The cirillo has nice fruit-cherry/raspberry mixed with exotic asian spice. It's medium weight with a nice creamy texture, fine acidity and tannins to match. The finish is a good 30sec, perhaps a bit longer. It is definitely in the mold of an Aussie grenache, no one could confuse where it was from. Gavin has some in store, I brought a couple more yesterday just to fill out a half case.
The turners crossing shiraz and cabernet are available at one of the big retailers, or from the winery direct (only in cases (ie 12)). Something that my be of interest from the winery, is what they call a cellar pack(4 x 2003, 4 x 2004 and 4 x 2006 (all Cabernet)) for $250 delivered. A mini-vertical to see how they age I guess.
Rens,
What do you think will be the drinking window for "The Vincent". I bought some but haven't tried one yet. I note that you say that "no one would confuse where it was from". To me, this means it must be quite different form the 1850's Old Vine. I have found that the Old Vine is such a distinctive Grenache like no other I have had from the Barossa. It is much more complex than I expected. My favourite wine is Barossa Grenache or GSM's, so I'll be interested in your recommendation.
Cheers
Ian
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:05 pm
by ticklenow1
ticklenow1 wrote:rens wrote:The cirillo has nice fruit-cherry/raspberry mixed with exotic asian spice. It's medium weight with a nice creamy texture, fine acidity and tannins to match. The finish is a good 30sec, perhaps a bit longer. It is definitely in the mold of an Aussie grenache, no one could confuse where it was from. Gavin has some in store, I brought a couple more yesterday just to fill out a half case.
The turners crossing shiraz and cabernet are available at one of the big retailers, or from the winery direct (only in cases (ie 12)). Something that my be of interest from the winery, is what they call a cellar pack(4 x 2003, 4 x 2004 and 4 x 2006 (all Cabernet)) for $250 delivered. A mini-vertical to see how they age I guess.
Rens,
What do you think will be the drinking window for "The Vincent". I bought some but haven't tried one yet. I note that you say "no one would confuse where it was from". To me, this means it must be quite different form the 1850's Old Vine. I have found that the Old Vine is such a distinctive Grenache like no other I have had from the Barossa. It is much more complex than I expected. My favourite wine is Barossa Grenache or GSM's, so I'll be interested in your recommendation.
Cheers
Ian
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:13 pm
by rens
ticklenow1 wrote:rens wrote:The cirillo has nice fruit-cherry/raspberry mixed with exotic asian spice. It's medium weight with a nice creamy texture, fine acidity and tannins to match. The finish is a good 30sec, perhaps a bit longer. It is definitely in the mold of an Aussie grenache, no one could confuse where it was from. Gavin has some in store, I brought a couple more yesterday just to fill out a half case.
The turners crossing shiraz and cabernet are available at one of the big retailers, or from the winery direct (only in cases (ie 12)). Something that my be of interest from the winery, is what they call a cellar pack(4 x 2003, 4 x 2004 and 4 x 2006 (all Cabernet)) for $250 delivered. A mini-vertical to see how they age I guess.
Rens,
What do you think will be the drinking window for "The Vincent". I bought some but haven't tried one yet. I note that you say that "no one would confuse where it was from". To me, this means it must be quite different form the 1850's Old Vine. I have found that the Old Vine is such a distinctive Grenache like no other I have had from the Barossa. It is much more complex than I expected. My favourite wine is Barossa Grenache or GSM's, so I'll be interested in your recommendation.
Cheers
Ian
Hi Ian
I have the drinking window from now to 2016. My statement ('no one would confuse where it was from') is in reference to Australia and Australian Grenache. Orpheus says he doesn't really like the Aussie Grenache and I think this is pretty typical. I'd be interested to see your thoughts on this one Ian.
Rens
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:28 pm
by simon1980
It's Head Red for me. At $20, not cheap, just a wonderfully balanced, high quality, small production wine that for me defines value. You are just getting more than you deserve for your $20.
On a slightly different tack, noticed that Mount Langi Billi Billi Shiraz is doing the rounds at about $13 this week. I have not tried the latest vintage, but this is usually dependable, and would be good value if as good as the previous couple of vintages.
Simon
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:49 pm
by ticklenow1
rens wrote:ticklenow1 wrote:rens wrote:The cirillo has nice fruit-cherry/raspberry mixed with exotic asian spice. It's medium weight with a nice creamy texture, fine acidity and tannins to match. The finish is a good 30sec, perhaps a bit longer. It is definitely in the mold of an Aussie grenache, no one could confuse where it was from. Gavin has some in store, I brought a couple more yesterday just to fill out a half case.
The turners crossing shiraz and cabernet are available at one of the big retailers, or from the winery direct (only in cases (ie 12)). Something that my be of interest from the winery, is what they call a cellar pack(4 x 2003, 4 x 2004 and 4 x 2006 (all Cabernet)) for $250 delivered. A mini-vertical to see how they age I guess.
Rens,
What do you think will be the drinking window for "The Vincent". I bought some but haven't tried one yet. I note that you say that "no one would confuse where it was from". To me, this means it must be quite different form the 1850's Old Vine. I have found that the Old Vine is such a distinctive Grenache like no other I have had from the Barossa. It is much more complex than I expected. My favourite wine is Barossa Grenache or GSM's, so I'll be interested in your recommendation.
Cheers
Ian
Hi Ian
I have the drinking window from now to 2016. My statement ('no one would confuse where it was from') is in reference to Australia and Australian Grenache. Orpheus says he doesn't really like the Aussie Grenache and I think this is pretty typical. I'd be interested to see your thoughts on this one Ian.
Rens
Rens,
Apologies, I thought you were refering to the fact that it was a Barossa Grenache rather than an Australian Grenache. I find McClaren Vale and Barossa Grenache (the 2 main regions for Oz Grenache) quite different. Unlike Orpheus, I love Oz Grenache and am starting to get quite a collection. I might open a Vincent out of curiosity now. Thanks for your reply.
Cheers
Ian
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:19 am
by orpheus
[/quote]
Hi Ian
I have the drinking window from now to 2016. My statement ('no one would confuse where it was from') is in reference to Australia and Australian Grenache. Orpheus says he doesn't really like the Aussie Grenache and I think this is pretty typical. I'd be interested to see your thoughts on this one Ian.
Rens[/quote]
Rens,
Apologies, I thought you were refering to the fact that it was a Barossa Grenache rather than an Australian Grenache. I find McClaren Vale and Barossa Grenache (the 2 main regions for Oz Grenache) quite different. Unlike Orpheus, I love Oz Grenache and am starting to get quite a collection. I might open a Vincent out of curiosity now. Thanks for your reply.
Cheers
Ian[/quote]
Maybe I haven't been exposed to enough of the really good stuff.
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:10 pm
by ticklenow1
Orpheus,
Try some of the following Grenaches:
Cirillo 1850's Old Vine
Head Old Vines
Kalleske Old Vines
Turkey Flat
Charles Melton Richelieu
Langmeil Fifth Wave
I have found these to be the best straight Grenaches that I have tried. None of these are really cheap except for the Turkey Flat at about $25. All of them benefit from at least 3 or 4 years in the cellar. I am sure that there are many others, but as I said, I have all of these and have tried them all.
Then of course there are the blends. Too many to name....
Cheers
Ian
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:45 pm
by rens
ticklenow1 wrote:Orpheus,
Try some of the following Grenaches:
Cirillo 1850's Old Vine
Head Old Vines
Kalleske Old Vines
Turkey Flat
Charles Melton Richelieu
Langmeil Fifth Wave
I have found these to be the best straight Grenaches that I have tried. None of these are really cheap except for the Turkey Flat at about $25. All of them benefit from at least 3 or 4 years in the cellar. I am sure that there are many others, but as I said, I have all of these and have tried them all.
Then of course there are the blends. Too many to name....
Cheers
Ian
I agree with all of the above. Also if you can get your hands on a Greenock creek cornerstone. They are superb too.
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:28 pm
by ticklenow1
Thanks Rens, can't believe I forgot the Greenock Creek. It is close to my favourite wine. It is also great value that will age for several years.
Ian
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:58 pm
by xsorxpire
daz wrote:JAYCEE wrote:Rossco wrote:I have posted this before, but for me, you cant go past Tahbilk wineclub shiraz. $9.95 per bottle, 2003 vintage delivered to your door (have to buy a doz for free delivery)
8 years old and is an amazing wine for the price.
Rossco, CAn I ask where you are buying these from ? I can;t find anyone selling them
I can answer that JAYCEE. Direct from the winery only, from their Everyday Drinking range and available to Tahbilk Wineclub members only. It's on the website
http://www.tahbilk.com.au
Cracked my first tonight.
Bloody good value for $11 to the door.
Thanks heaps.
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:09 pm
by daz
xsorxpire wrote:Cracked my first tonight.
Bloody good value for $11 to the door.
Thanks heaps.
I've heard objection to Tahbilk's freight charge to WA in particular but it does also apply to NT and Tas. The distance to Perth can't be much more from the winery than to NQ where the freight is free but I guess freight volume could be a factor.
Anyway, glad to hear you enjoyed it for the cost. I should check whether there's any left.
Cheers
daz
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:05 am
by daz
Just ordered six each of the shiraz 03 and chard 08
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:00 am
by xsorxpire
daz wrote:xsorxpire wrote:Cracked my first tonight.
Bloody good value for $11 to the door.
Thanks heaps.
I've heard objection to Tahbilk's freight charge to WA in particular but it does also apply to NT and Tas. The distance to Perth can't be much more from the winery than to NQ where the freight is free but I guess freight volume could be a factor.
Anyway, glad to hear you enjoyed it for the cost. I should check whether there's any left.
Cheers
daz
It's only $1 a bottle.
The people who objected should really lighten up.
They are offering some half bottles of their 08 Chardy my mother would like to try.
Good size for a glass with lunch somewhere.
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:47 am
by daz
xsorxpire wrote:Cracked my first tonight.
Bloody good value for $11 to the door.
Thanks heaps.
Decorked
my first bottle tonight - the cork was perfect though not very long as is mostly usual with Tahbilk corks. Almost essence of Tahbilk, integrated but obvious old, almost honeyed, oak with some cedar and vanillin, a bit of plum but fruit more red than black in the flavour profile. Apart from the typical Tahbilk flick of eucalypt there's also a bit of stalky greenness. Tannins are ripe, almost soft, woven around the core of fruit. Acid is nicely balanced. The wine has aged characters that I can't really describe other than the "old oak" thing. The 14.5% alcohol is a bit spikey on the medium length, drying, finish but not majorly so. Certainly an interesting, good value wine for $9.95/btl.
I made a mistake when I said I'd ordered six of the Everyday Drinking chardonnay - four of it and two sauv blancs. Tasted the sauv blanc -it's a bit ordinary, think the first vintage of melange dry white was better. Hopefully, the chard will be better than both.
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:23 pm
by xsorxpire
Tahbilk website has chucked up their 04.
Just after i shared out the last of my 03 to mates i was told by them they had plenty more....
Buggar.
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:24 am
by orpheus
Do you mean they have run out of the 03, and you were going to buy more, XS?
What's the 04 like? Not as good, I take it?
Re: Candidate for best value red
Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:56 pm
by xsorxpire
I dunno what the 04 is like, but the 03 from the bottle was tasty.