tragedy!

sheila dodsworth · Post by **sheila dodsworth** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:24 am

Over the last three years I seem to have developed an allergy/reaction to I guess preservatives in red wine. Can anyone recommend a red that I could try?

Sheila

Attila · Post by **Attila** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:37 am

I personally believe that there is a reason for everything. It takes years of bad dieting to develop allergies. My mother thought that milk was good for me, by the time of age 18 I became lactose intolerant. In 1993 I quit milk, meat, sugar alltogether (the process will make you feel terrible but worth it, takes 18 months to come clean) and started to follow the Macrobiotic diet according to George Oshawa. Happy ever since.
If you are not interested how and why you developed your allergic reaction, then try the few preservative free wines that are available, or drink wines that are older than 8 years. (Preservatives dissolve or at least deteriorate and change chemical structure over time).
Cheers,
Attila

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:03 am

Hardys produce a range of preservative free wines at reasonable prices, but I have no idea as to the quality.
One producer worth seeking out is La Cantina in the King Valley in Victoria. Preservative free wines, and generally drink above their price.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 11:00 am

"It takes years of bad dieting to develop allergies." Why are babies born with allergies?
Please Attila, what relates to you does not relate to everybody. I mean no offence, but we are all different.
MM.

KMP · Post by **KMP** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 11:44 am

As defined by its symptoms (nausea, cramps, bloating, gas, and diarrhea) lactose intolerance is not an allergic reaction. Its due to an absence of the enzyme lactase, and can be quite distressing but not overly dangerous. See here for more.

Allergic reactions, including those to foods like milk products, are another thing entirely and can be very dangerous. See here.

If you think you are allergic to wine (or anything) then get thee to an allergist and get tested. See here.

Mike

TORB · Post by **TORB** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:24 pm

Shelia,

That sounds bloody horrible.

Mike has given you good advice, get yourself tested. If it was me (perish the thought) the first thing I would do would be to buy shares in Warner Lamber - the makers of Zyrtec. :oops:

Sorry, could not resist, my warped sense of humour but hope you get a giggle out of a horrid situation.

Muscat Mike · Post by **Muscat Mike** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:59 pm

TORB wrote:Shelia,
If it was me (perish the thought) the first thing I would do would be to buy shares in Warner Lamber - the makers of Zyrtec.

Just a slight correction Ric. Warner Lambert was bought by Parke Davis who, in turn, were swallowed by Pfizer.
MM.

TORB · Post by **TORB** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:47 pm

Muscat Mike wrote:Just a slight correction Ric. Warner Lambert was bought by Parke Davis who, in turn, were swallowed by Pfizer.
MM.

Mike,

This is starting to sound like the wine industry. Penfolds were bought by Adelaide Steamships, who in turn, ...... :roll:

Attila · Post by **Attila** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:05 pm

Anonymous wrote:"It takes years of bad dieting to develop allergies." Why are babies born with allergies?
Please Attila, what relates to you does not relate to everybody. I mean no offence, but we are all different.
MM.

Appears to be a fair comment but remember, all babies depend on both their parents for their future. Sometimes babies pay for their parent's mistakes. If the parents immune systems were down and the mother kept a terrible diet during the pregnancy (Easily done, remember the sugar cravings and other foods) the overload simply show up in the baby in a form of imbalance.
If you are a drug addict mother, chances are the baby will become as well. And so on.
The thing is MM it is true that we are all different but the fact remains, I had many symptoms that you may identify as "allergic" (intolerant more likely) but I am a free person today.
That is a fact.
I wish everybody well but the clean up always starts at home.
Cheers,
Attila

TORB · Post by **TORB** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:56 pm

Attila wrote:I wish everybody well but the clean up always starts at home.

Attila,

As you know, Marion does "clean up" much better than I do, so I will leave it to her. :wink:

Muscat Mike · Post by **Muscat Mike** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:21 pm

Attila wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"
MM.

The thing is MM
Attila

You refer to me as "anonymous" and then twice as MM. Why call me anonymous when you know who I am?
Have not taken your lactobacillus today?
SO I forgot to log in. I did not have a problem a while ago it was automatic. Now I have to log in and forgot. But I still use my initials.
My apologies.
MM.

qwertt · Post by **qwertt** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:56 pm

Anonymous wrote:"It takes years of bad dieting to develop allergies." Why are babies born with allergies?
Please Attila, what relates to you does not relate to everybody. I mean no offence, but we are all different.
MM.

It was the program, not Attila, who dubbed you "anonymous". See it did the same for me!

Maximus · Post by **Maximus** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:57 pm

Muscat Mike wrote:You refer to me as "anonymous" and then twice as MM. Why call me anonymous when you know who I am?
Have not taken your lactobacillus today?
SO I forgot to log in. I did not have a problem a while ago it was automatic. Now I have to log in and forgot. But I still use my initials.
My apologies.
MM.

Mike,

In Attila's defense, when quoting a guest the posting program automatically reverts the quote to 'anonymous'; I'm sure it wasn't done intentionally.

Back on topic, the suggestions so far have been great. Aged wine and preservative free wine - I'd go for the aged wine with fingers crossed! I also heard from friends in the Northern Hemisphere that several European countries are experimenting without preservatives in wine and beer, apparently with very beneficial effects for the dreaded hangover the following day. So it could be a win/win situation.

Good luck,

Muscat Mike · Post by **Muscat Mike** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:19 pm

qwertt wrote:
It was the program, not Attila, who dubbed you "anonymous". See it did the same for me!

OK,
my apologiesI did not understand the program. I will go swallow my Yakult.
MM.

DaveB · Post by **DaveB** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:55 pm

Hi Sheila,

Most likely the histomines in reds and certain phenolic compunds that take part in the formation of serotonin (read:headaches) are the issue....sulphur compounds could also be a factor and unfortunatly there is no such beast as a sulphur-free wine as it is a by-product of fermentation.....there are certainly wines that are produced using a low sulphur regime though.

A lot of people find that their allergies get worse in certain seasons also and there has been some success in abstaining from red wine over the offending season.... :shock:

shock, horror........then being able to drink at other times of the year with no or lessened nasty side-effects.

I'd go see your G.P. and it might be as simple a solution as prescribing an anti-histomine...either that or send me all your red wine immediately

Found this as well http://www.winesensitive.com/

Sounds a bit dodgy

Cheers

Dave

Davo · Post by **Davo** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:05 pm

Ahhhh geeez.

Have a Telfast and a Zantac an hour before you hit the slops.

If that doesn't work send it all to me, for scientific purposes you mind.