What to buy my daughter

graham · Post by **graham** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 10:24 am

My daughter was born recently and I am wondering what 2005 vintage to put down for her 21st :?:

I currently collect Rockford basket press amounst others but feel they wont go the distance.
Your help will be greatly appreciated by me in 21 years time :twisted:

Wizz · Post by **Wizz** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 10:45 am

Hard to tell Graham, perhaps it is too soon to be picking 05s yet - very few wines out yet, let alone seriously ageale ones. I hear the Yarra had a good year, and Wayne Dutschke likes 05 in the Barossa, but no iea on ageability for either yet though,

cheers

Andrew

707 · Post by **707** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:08 am

Graham, these wines aren't on sale for another two to three years so sit back and relax.

From barrel samples I've seen we're in for a treat and you'll have stacks of wines to choose from including a few Vintage Ports that will go 30-40 years in a canter.

Look forward to you posing the question in 2007/2008.

DJ · Post by DJ » Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:24 am

Congratulations I'm in the same category. In the year they arrive Rieslings and Semillons show up - I'm thinking Grossett, O'leary Walker, Mesh, Leonay Riesling and then sum Hunter Semillons (Tyrrells Vat 1 is released to mailing list in year of production). Good reds won't be out for at least a year.

My son was born in 2002 so I'm still buying 02s while starting to plan for 05s. I've bought about half a dozen magnums for the boy and will do the same for my daughter.

Meanwhile if there is any cash available :lol:

now is time to up grade the cellar to temperature control so the wines have some chance of going the distance. I've just acquired a Fondis heating/cooling unit so the birth year wines I buy have some chance of surviving

Although I had to sell some wine before I was allowed to buy it :roll:

bacchaebabe · Post by **bacchaebabe** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:24 pm

Hey DJ,

where did you get the fondis unit. I'm looking at upgrading at the moment. Also, does the fondis have to be through a wall or what is the set up exactly?

I have a whisperkool but its not exactly ideal for my situation and would prefer a split system if possible. I know that Fondis have recently released a split system.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:07 pm

Thanks for the replies. I too have a fondis DJ. Have had it for 2 years now and it hasn't missed a beat. Magnums were a good idea...overlooked that one.

bacchaebabe....Fondis do make a split unit for seriously big cellars. I posted details on this forum some time last year. If not there i can hunt them up for you.

Graham

DJ · Post by DJ » Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:18 pm

Kris

Fondis is available from Laurie Bilsborough at Cellarwine (02) 9948 6347.

I presume you have seen the Fondis website: http://www.fondis.com/dn_winemaster_air_conditioners/

I would guess the split system must be very new as I didn't notice it 2 months ago when last looking at the site. As I read it Fondis' split system is for a very big cellar 100 m3 but as you will see there are two other systems.

If you contact Laurie tell him David Jordan referred you - perhaps next time I buy some gear from him he will give me a discount :wink:

David

bacchaebabe · Post by **bacchaebabe** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:17 pm

Thanks Guys - cellar not seriously big - more 4 x 4 metres - but interested in the split system due to lack of external walls. Well I have external walls but they are largely underground with just a vent through to the surface. A split system would work well.

Baby Chickpea · Post by **Baby Chickpea** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:21 pm

I too have the Fondis IN50 (for 50 m3) at http://www.fondis.com/dn_wine_in50_en/ bought from Laurie 3.5 years ago. Not one problem and holds 13C to perfection with perfect humidiuty of 60-75%. Even on 35C days in Sydney summer, it handles 13C with ease. In peak summer period, one 10L bucket of water is emptied out once a week. In winter, like now, no bucket emptying for last 3 months. If i'd set it up again would have had water tubes running outside so water deposits there instead of inside cellar in bucket. Highly recommended and far superior to my previous WhisperKool which was a problem from day one and struggled at low temperatures. The Fondis ain't cheap but very quite and smooth. Can also go as low as 8C! You can get the IN18 (18 m3) for smaller cellar sizes.

DJ · Post by DJ » Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:50 pm

bacchaebabe wrote:Thanks Guys - cellar not seriously big - more 4 x 4 metres - but interested in the split system due to lack of external walls. Well I have external walls but they are largely underground with just a vent through to the surface. A split system would work well.

Kris

You are probably aware but just for clarification, The built in system Fondis are not suitable for an external wall but have to be vented to an inside area.

David

bacchaebabe · Post by **bacchaebabe** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:40 pm

Interesting stuff guys - thanks again. The whisperkool I have is the built in type so I've had to use my imagination to set it up, with the hot air venting outside but the intake being from within the cellar.

The main problem is the water in summer. At peak times (january) it can be two buckets a day so I have to empty in the morning and at night - great for the garden with the water restrictions but a pain in the butt - especially if we go away - have to bring the garbage bin in! It would work MUCH better if it was just through the wall like it's supposed to be.

Anyway, will give Laurie a ring and see what he thinks. And find out how much these beasties cost. Anyone need a whisperkool?

hysterical1144 · Post by **hysterical1144** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:04 pm

Hi DJ

Care to share which 02 wine are you cellaring for your boy ?

Thank you

DJ wrote:Congratulations I'm in the same category. In the year they arrive Rieslings and Semillons show up - I'm thinking Grossett, O'leary Walker, Mesh, Leonay Riesling and then sum Hunter Semillons (Tyrrells Vat 1 is released to mailing list in year of production). Good reds won't be out for at least a year.

My son was born in 2002 so I'm still buying 02s while starting to plan for 05s. I've bought about half a dozen magnums for the boy and will do the same for my daughter.

Meanwhile if there is any cash available now is time to up grade the cellar to temperature control so the wines have some chance of going the distance. I've just acquired a Fondis heating/cooling unit so the birth year wines I buy have some chance of surviving Although I had to sell some wine before I was allowed to buy it

707 · Post by **707** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 7:43 am

Kris, let us know rough costs on these units. I'm always getting people asking me for recommendations so it would be nice to point them in the right direction.

Thanks in advance

DJ · Post by DJ » Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:34 am

Steve / Kris

I've had my Fondis for about a month so the price is fairly current The 18S (with heater) was about $3000 and the 18 about $200 less.

hysterical1144

What have 02's am I cellaring for the boy? Well I guess part of the answer is it depends what I don't drink before he gets a chance to help me. The magnums will definitely be kept - so far I have Turkey Flat Shiraz and Cab Sav, Clonakilla Shiraz Viogner and a couple of one off specials, I'm hoping to add a few more depending on what I spot.

I have more 02 in my cellar than anything else partly because it is the first good year released while I have been earning more than student wages (ridiculous really - started cellaring in 1990 - proper job 2002, oh well that's what happens if you have to get a PhD out of the system).
Off the top of my head I have bought from 2002 - typically 6 bottles or less of each:
St Peter's
Bin 28 Kalimna
Bin 389
Turkey Flat C/S & Shiraz
Rockford BP Shiraz & C/S
D'arenberg Dead arm, d'arrys original, footbolt
Tyrrells vat 9
Noon Eclipse, shiraz, C/S
Dalwhinne Shiraz & C/S
Summerfield Shiraz & C/S
Coriole Shiraz & Llyod
Mt Ida
Mamre Brook C/S & Shiraz
Marius Shiraz
Noble 1
Grossett watervale & polish Hill
Mesh
Richmond Grove Watervale

Still planning to buy when released St Henri and Vintage ports
things like footbolt and mamre brook are really for drinking in 5 to 10 years not 15+. It has been a bit scatter gun in approach aiming for a few things to go the distance.

707 · Post by **707** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:42 am

That's a good start and alot of hard to get stuff too. I'd be confident a whole heap of them will live the distance if well cellared.

VPs, I let you know what I find as they appear as they're likely to be CD specials as a rule being tiny production jobs. Rockford will certainly have a 2002 released in about four years.

peterk · Post by **peterk** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:47 am

graham wrote:My daughter was born recently and I am wondering what 2005 vintage to put down for her 21st
I currently collect Rockford basket press amounst others but feel they wont go the distance.
Your help will be greatly appreciated by me in 21 years time

Hi Graham
As pointed out you still have plenty of time to see what the 05 vintage is going to be like. But large format bottles are the go,Grange historically will go the distance. I would look at Tahbilk, and V.Ps some examples are Liebichwine,Pfeiffer,Stanton and Killeen, Seppelts, I dont know if 05 is a declared year in portugal but there ports will last 21 years+ and drink well.Hope this helps.

Peter.

bacchaebabe · Post by **bacchaebabe** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:18 pm

All houses declared in 2003 so if anyone has any kids born then, you could certainly do worse. I've just ordered a six pack of Fonseca en primeur and its happening now if you want to get on that band wagon. English web sites are the go.

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