Emerging varietal wines

darby · Post by **darby** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:39 pm

I am collecting data for a book "Emerging Varietal Wines of Australia" and I would like to extend the coverage to some of the obscure corners. I have a database of about 100 less common winegrape varieties used by about 850 different producers, but I seem to be turning up new varieties every couple of days.

I would welcome any information Auswiners can provide, either by replying to this post or sending me a private message.

You can see a list of the varieties I have data about are listed at http://www.vinodiversity.com/emerging-v ... wines.html

I would like the guide to be as comprehensive as possible so I would greatly appreciate any assistance forum members can give.

Kieran · Post by **Kieran** » Fri Jul 08, 2005 4:54 pm

If you come up with many varietals that Halliday doesn't list in his book, I'd be impressed.

Looking over the list, you don't seem to list: Negroamaro, Norton, Pinotage, Cabernet Franc. Also note that Blue Imperial and Cinsaut are exactly the same thing.

Kieran

darby · Post by **darby** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 10:45 am

Thanks Kieran,

1. Negroamaro, Norton and Pinotage. Do you know of anyone who is growing/making wine with any of these varieties in Australia?

2. Cabernet Franc is widely grown but I am following the AVWS definition of 'alternative' so I have deliberately excludued it.

3. Blue Imperial/Cinsaut. You are quite correct, you just exposed a piece of bad data quality control on my part.

As for getting more varieties than Halliday, I assume you mean his Varietal wines. My database already has about a dozen varieties not listed in the index, but there may be a couple of nomenclature issues as well. My book will list wineries as well and I have many more than Halliday's Wine Companion.

Thanks again for your help.

Cheers

Darby

Wizz · Post by **Wizz** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:54 pm

Darby, isnt Gouais a pseudonym for another variety, is it Chasselas?

Also, is this really an emerging varietal? I thought of it more as a dying one. Chambers still make one I think.

Also if you really want to dig deep, Rimfire winery in Queensland have a varietal they foud growing on the property and they dont know what it is. Perhaps give them a call,

Andrew

707 · Post by **707** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:45 pm

Ah yes, thgat type of thing in addition to many other things could only happen in Queensland.

I really miss Joh not being Premier.

JDSJDS · Post by **JDSJDS** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 2:49 pm

I tasted a Gouais at Chambers a few weeks ago; they described it as a parent of chardonnay, but didn't mention a chasselas link (but I didn't specifically ask).

First time I had ever heard of this grape variety.

Kieran · Post by **Kieran** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:04 pm

Gouais crossed with Pinot Noir makes Chardonnay.

Kieran

beef · Post by **beef** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:12 pm

707 wrote:Ah yes, thgat type of thing in addition to many other things could only happen in Queensland.

I really miss Joh not being Premier.

Ummm... Joh has not been the Premier for quite some time now. It's kinda hard to miss

Wizz · Post by **Wizz** » Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:04 am

beef wrote:
707 wrote:Ah yes, thgat type of thing in addition to many other things could only happen in Queensland.

I really miss Joh not being Premier.

Ummm... Joh has not been the Premier for quite some time now. It's kinda hard to miss

Snicker snicker..

Steve is on Adelaide time, ie its almost 1983 :lol:

darby · Post by **darby** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:30 pm

According to Oz Clarke and Margaret Read's Grapes and Wines, Gouais Blanc is the ancestor of at least 16 modern grape varieties including Aligote, Aubun Vert, Auxerrois, Bachet Noir, Beaunoir, chardonnay, Franc Noir de Haute-Saone, Gamay Blanc Gloriod, Gamay Noir, Knipperle, Melon, Puerion, Roublot and Sacy. Despite, or perhaps because of, this extraordinary fecundity Gouais is virtually extinct in France. Chambers Rosewood Vineyard at Rutherglen seem to be holding on.

They are also holding on to the name Blue Imperial for their Cinsaut!

Cheers

707 · Post by **707** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:41 pm

Oh no, please don't be 1983, it's a terrible vintage, only one good wine from that year - Grange, it's still a belter.

I'd still be changing nappies too !

smash'n'grab · Post by **smash'n'grab** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:44 pm

707 wrote:Ah yes, thgat type of thing in addition to many other things could only happen in Queensland.

I really miss Joh not being Premier.

yes, I'll drink to that. i am still waiting to see Uncle Joh's
angelic face upon a Qld winery label. Now, what will it be?

Premier Joh's Primo Pinotage perhaps? goes down a treat with pumpkin scones and brown paper bags full of filthy developers lucre.

DaveB · Post by **DaveB** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:16 am

Rubienne is missing from your list.

Dave

darby · Post by **darby** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:26 pm

Thanks for the tip Dave,
I have managed to track down a fact sheet from CSIRO who bred the variety as a cross between Cab Sauv And Sumoll (A Spanish Variety)

Do you know of anyone who is growing the variety commercially?

Cheers

Darby

Kieran · Post by **Kieran** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:06 pm

707 wrote:Oh no, please don't be 1983, it's a terrible vintage, only one good wine from that year - Grange, it's still a belter.

I'd still be changing nappies too !

Mostly true, but in Rutherglen it made great fortifieds. 1983 is a major component of most Rare Muscats and Tokays.

Kieran

darby · Post by **darby** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:53 pm

Thanks for the tip about Rubienne. It is a red variety bred by CSIRO was relaeased at the same time as Tyrian and Cienna. Orlando are doing some work with it but have'nt released a wine yet. McWilliams have released a Tyrian or two, while both Brown Brothers and Yalumba have made wine from Cienna.

Cheers

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Emerging varietal wines

Emerging varietal wines

Negroamaro, Norton and Pinotage...

Gouais the the Super parent

bring back Joh on a vino label!

Rubienne