Kalleske new releases

Christo · Post by **Christo** » Tue May 10, 2005 1:32 pm

anyone receive an email recently?

christo

PaulV · Post by **PaulV** » Tue May 10, 2005 1:52 pm

Baby Chickpea · Post by **Baby Chickpea** » Tue May 10, 2005 2:03 pm

Christo · Post by **Christo** » Tue May 10, 2005 2:07 pm

what was on offer?... i was only able to by the "clarrys red"

c

markg · Post by **markg** » Tue May 10, 2005 3:06 pm

Christo wrote:what was on offer?... i was only able to by the "clarrys red"

c

Mailing List only offers
Clarrys Red (nice stuff, grab some at that price).
2 x Grenache per customer
1 x Johann per customer ($100 per bottle)..

PaulV · Post by **PaulV** » Tue May 10, 2005 3:12 pm

markg wrote:
Christo wrote:what was on offer?... i was only able to by the "clarrys red"

c

Mailing List only offers
Clarrys Red (nice stuff, grab some at that price).
2 x Grenache per customer
1 x Johann per customer ($100 per bottle)..

Same

JamieBahrain · Post by **JamieBahrain** » Tue May 10, 2005 3:24 pm

Yes I just ordered some grenache & Johann's- same limits as above.

$100 for the Johann's- thanks Mr Parker!

Mike Hawkins · Post by **Mike Hawkins** » Wed May 11, 2005 3:04 am

Both seriously good booze IMO.

707 · Post by **707** » Wed May 11, 2005 8:02 am

Don't get fooled by the price tag of the Clarry's Red at $20, this is a great drink that readily stands up in more expensive company. It's juicy and slips down very easily, to pinch a quote from Campbell in Winefront Monthly "slips down as easy as low cut jeans"!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue May 17, 2005 3:21 pm

JamieBahrain wrote:Yes I just ordered some grenache & Johann's- same limits as above.

$100 for the Johann's- thanks Mr Parker!

is it worth it? whats the suggested drinking window / cellaring term?

c

707 · Post by **707** » Thu May 19, 2005 9:36 am

I've tried the 2003 Johann Georg on three occasions and every time it really impressed. We've got a bottle to drink at the Jamie Bahrain offline in a couple of weeks so I'll be interested to try it with food and gauge others reactions.

Rely on Mark & Ian to do some TNs of the dinner.

KMP · Post by **KMP** » Thu May 19, 2005 10:22 am

707 wrote:I've tried the 2003 Johann Georg on three occasions and every time it really impressed. We've got a bottle to drink at the Jamie Bahrain offline in a couple of weeks so I'll be interested to try it with food and gauge others reactions.

Rely on Mark & Ian to do some TNs of the dinner.

Agreed, its a great wine. Very difrerent from his other Shiraz. I'd fly over just for a taste at the offline if I could get away.

Guess I'll have to settle for the ohhh's and ahhh's at the upcoming Bring That Bottle Night when I pop the cork on a 2002 Greenock Shiraz. Hope it doesn't have too much VA!! :wink:

(Little eBob joke, not!)

Mike

Hacker · Post by **Hacker** » Thu May 19, 2005 11:35 am

707 wrote:I've tried the 2003 Johann Georg on three occasions and every time it really impressed.

Certainly sounds great, but is it worth $100 a bottle? There is plenty of great drinking around al this level.

cheers,

David M.

Hacker · Post by **Hacker** » Thu May 19, 2005 11:35 am

707 wrote:I've tried the 2003 Johann Georg on three occasions and every time it really impressed.

Certainly sounds great, but is it worth $100 a bottle? There is plenty of great drinking around al this level.

cheers,

David M.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu May 19, 2005 1:30 pm

can get it for $85 p/bot! :shock:

does that help? :wink:

christo

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:38 am

Hi there everyone. I have an opportunity to get a 6 pack of Johann for $90pb hence the reason for dragging this thread back up. Does it have the quility to justify the price with 2003 being an average vintage? How would it go against say an O'Leary Walker reserve or 2002 707 in simmilar price league?

Thanx Graham

Hacker · Post by **Hacker** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:47 am

Anonymous wrote:Hi there everyone. I have an opportunity to get a 6 pack of Johann for $90pb hence the reason for dragging this thread back up. Does it have the quility to justify the price with 2003 being an average vintage? How would it go against say an O'Leary Walker reserve or 2002 707 in simmilar price league?

Thanx Graham

Haven't had the Johann (love to see some TN's) but as has been strongly stated by most, the regular Kalleske Shiraz is just superb. Judging by this, the Johann must be a class act and worth $90.

cheers,

David M.

707 · Post by **707** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:13 pm

Ask and ye shall receive. n4sir's note from Jamie Bahrain's offline in Adelaide recently

2003 Kalleske Johann Georg Troy Kalleske was good enough to sell Mark an additional bottle of this extremely rare and special wine for this tasting, and it didnÃƒâ€šÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t disappoint. Glass-hugging inky red/purple colour. A complex nose already, with wheaty/malty scents, perfumed violets, marmite, hot/molten steel, cashews, and some creamy mushroom/lobster bisque scents. Like the 1990 St. Henri and the 1991 Centenary, the multi-layered structure of the palate really stood out in this wine already, letting us know how special it is; rich, ripe blackberry/mulberry fruit is supported by sweet coffee oak on the finish, with those creamy/mushroom highlights again surfacing with breathing. This seemed to have facets of so many good wines weÃƒâ€šÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve tried at these offlines, like the 1999 Roenfeldt Road and the 2002 St. Peters Ãƒâ€šÃ¢â‚¬â€œ thanks Troy and Mark, this was indeed a rare treat worth savouring!

markg · Post by **markg** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:35 pm

Anonymous wrote:Hi there everyone. I have an opportunity to get a 6 pack of Johann for $90pb hence the reason for dragging this thread back up. Does it have the quility to justify the price with 2003 being an average vintage? How would it go against say an O'Leary Walker reserve or 2002 707 in simmilar price league?

Thanx Graham

Yes Graham, its a very good price I think.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:29 pm

Hi Graham

From the McLaren Vale 03's that ive tried alot are better than 02 IMHO which goes against vintage hype.havent tried many Barossas yet

TORB · Post by **TORB** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 6:31 pm

Anonymous wrote:Hi Graham

From the McLaren Vale 03's that ive tried alot are better than 02 IMHO which goes against vintage hype.havent tried many Barossas yet

Completely disagree, most of the 02's I have had from McLaren Vale are superior to the 03's. Many of the 03's have tannins that are firm on the point of being hard, the 03's will peak well before the 02's and ask most winemakers what they think of 03 in McLaren Vale and you will get comments like "difficult" or "a dog of a vintage" etc.

As far as 03 in the Barossa is concerened, the story is similar to that of Mclaren Vale. But like all vintages, there are always exceptions.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:09 pm

I found Hugh Hamilton,D Arenberg,Noons, being much better in the superior 02 compared to there 03s and these are just what ive tried so theres no doubt many more. I have found some better 03s at Fox Creek,Wirra Wirra albeit Whites,Kays Amery and Scarpantoni. No doubt exceptions but i guess it does happen or did they simply muck up there 02s?

TORB · Post by **TORB** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:57 pm

Anonymous wrote:I found Hugh Hamilton,D Arenberg,Noons, being much better in the superior 02 compared to there 03s and these are just what ive tried so theres no doubt many more. I have found some better 03s at Fox Creek,Wirra Wirra albeit Whites,Kays Amery and Scarpantoni. No doubt exceptions but i guess it does happen or did they simply muck up there 02s?

I have tried my way though a heap of 03 McLaren Vale reds and can not think of one single wine where the 03 is better than the 02 counterpart.

From what I tasted at Kays for example, I would say they certainly didn't muck up the 02's and FWIW, at Kays I tasted the 02 and 03 Shiraz and Cabernet side-by-side. The 02 Wirra Wirra reds I tried were without exception, the best wine I have tried from them since 1996. As for Scarpantoni, I have only tasted one 03, it was the Block 3 and it got an Acceptable rating which was lower than the 02.

The d'Arry's 03's were not as good as the 02's that I have tasted, The Oliver Hill 02's were better, same for Marius, Tatacilla Keystone Range, and so the list goes on.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:20 pm

I felt they were easier drinking with a bit more fruit sweetness and nothing green compared to a few of the preddecesors. Whether that means they wont live long or are in there prime already i dont know but they were very approachable.As i said i havnt got around to any Barrosas yet mainly because i have so many 02s but have read many claiming the 01s/03's are more approachable there. No doubt you try more wine than i do and can comment on this theory?

I am by no means a great vintage basher like many i see rubbishing 1990/1998s/2002s but just a couple of exceptions on my palate.

2002 Reynell BP Shiraz is one of the nicest 3yo wines ive had.

TORB · Post by **TORB** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:56 pm

Anonymous wrote:I felt they were easier drinking with a bit more fruit sweetness. Whether that means they wont live long or are in there prime already i dont know but they were very approachable

.....but have read many claiming the 01s/03's are more approachable there. No doubt you try more wine than i do and can comment on this theory?

You are absolutely spot on with these comments. the 01's and the 03 are far more approachable than many of the 02's, and that goes for both the Barossa and McLaren Vale. Whilst many of the 03's are certainly enjoyable and very drinkable wines, when it comes to longevity, as a generality the 02's will win and will be drinking the superbly when many of the 01's and 03's are long gone.

Millwaukee Twin · Post by **Millwaukee Twin** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 9:35 pm

707 wrote:I've tried the 2003 Johann Georg on three occasions and every time it really impressed. We've got a bottle to drink at the Jamie Bahrain offline in a couple of weeks so I'll be interested to try it with food and gauge others reactions.

Rely on Mark & Ian to do some TNs of the dinner.

Steve,
Since you had both, is J.Georg worth twice the dosh for their Regular Greenock Shiraz?
Cheers,
MT

TORB · Post by **TORB** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 9:37 pm

I am not Steve but have also had them both and the answer is yes. I typed up the TN's yesterday and they will be in the next chapter of the Tour Diary.

707 · Post by **707** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:25 am

I think all the Kalleske wines are worth the asking price, right from the sexy slurpable Clarry's, if you haven't got any of this do so immediately!, through the Grenock Shiraz and Old Vine Grenache up to the Johann Georg.

We've been piggies here, having about half a dozen bottles of 2003 Johann Georg on a number of occasions. Every time has bought oohs and aahs from the imbibers and rushes to top up ones glas before the bottle is empty.

There is a problem with the Johann Georg though, it's almost impossible to get! If you've got access to it, buy it, you'll love it I'm sure.

Now just waiting to see if TORB liked it!!

TORB · Post by **TORB** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:01 am

The undedited TN - just you you Steve. :wink:

Kalleske 2003 Johann Georg Shiraz sold for $100 when it was released, but like the Grenache, the chances are it was all sold within days of release too. Made from dry grown vines planted in 1875 the wine spent two years in a combination of new French and some older American oak. According to Troy, this vineyard had been contract to Penfolds for about a hundred years. A deeply complex, attention-grabbing bouquet, drinking this wine at this time was the worst possible case of vininfanticide. No matter how you describe this wine, Ãƒâ€šÃ¢â‚¬Å“damn fineÃƒâ€šÃ¢â‚¬Â as Brian said, or Ãƒâ€šÃ¢â‚¬Å“a complete wineÃƒâ€šÃ¢â‚¬Â as John expressed it, the superlatives are immaterial. The finest fruit imaginable exudes coffee, 70% Lindt chocolate, black fruits and a bitter almond finish that is longer than a country mile. An impressively full-bodied, stylish wine; it is tight, solid, harmonious already and should become seamless in time. Rated as Excellent with ** for value, the rating should improve as the wine matures. Considering its single vineyard origin, and the age of the vines you have to expect to pay a premium price.

In the car, we discussed a comparison between four of the best wines we have tasted on the trip so far at this price point. The Classic McLaren La Testa, the two Hobbs wines and the Kalleske Johann. Whilst they are all very credible, complete wines of impeccable class, all of them have different things going for them. Whilst each one of us had our favourite, there was absolutely nothing in it as to which was the best wine in the group; it all boiled down to personal preference. I would be happy to drink any of them at any time.

Is it worth it - absolutly!

Grumpy · Post by **Grumpy** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:20 pm

Is the Steve Hoff Rossco Shiraz sourced from the the Kalleske vineyard?