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Places to Eat in Sydney

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:04 pm
by Bytown Rick
I'm back after a few years off, and would appreciate your help.

As the initial part of my early retirement :lol: , my wife and I will be visiting Australia and New Zealand in January and February. This will be my first time in Australia, so I asked TORB for some wine and food tips. In addition to the excellent ones that he provided, he suggested I ask members for their views.

We will be in Sydney for 4 days in January, staying downtown. Are there particular restaurants that you would recommend? I am looking for a fairly relaxed environment, with a good wine list and/or that allows BYOB. My wife is not a big fan of seafood.

Thanks.

Rick

PS: Thanks also to Craig for his NZ suggestions.

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:08 pm
by PaulG
What are your favourite cuisines?
There are some lovely (and potentially overpriced) restaurants in the Cockle Bay/Darling Harbour area. A favourite is Thai-Foon, lovely thai food.

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:10 pm
by Bytown Rick
PaulG wrote:What are your favourite cuisines?
There are some lovely (and potentially overpriced) restaurants in the Cockle Bay/Darling Harbour area. A favourite is Thai-Foon, lovely thai food.


Thanks Paul. I do like Thai food. Also Italian, and what we call here "meat and potatoes" :) .

Rick

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:28 pm
by PaulG
Not a problem :) As I'm in SA, I'm not as good on my Sydney restaurants. If you come down to Adelaide, however, I can give you many more recommendations!

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:09 pm
by Loztralia
The Bentley is one I like. Good wine list, not especially cheap (but if you're converting to AUD you'll be a millionaire anyway!). It's probably about 50/50 restaurant and bar anyway so certainly not stuffy.

Blue Ginger has fantastic Chinese/pan-Asian (done very well - don't let the horror of pan-Asian put you off) and BYO. It's in Balmain which is probably worth a ferry ride from the CBD anyway.

Pink Peppercorn seems to divide opinions but personally I think it's great. Laotian/Vietnamese food and BYO. Also always fun to watch some of the more interesting denizens of the Southern hemisphere's gayest street go about their business outside.

If you like Japanese, Uchi Lounge is a bit different and generally good. Not sure if it's BYO as we normally drink sake from the long list there. Wine list very average though.

My absolute favourite is The Boathouse though I guess that might lose out by being predominantly seafood and quite a serious place (though always very friendly I've found). Superb food and wine list, though.

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:39 pm
by Bytown Rick
PaulG wrote:Not a problem :) As I'm in SA, I'm not as good on my Sydney restaurants. If you come down to Adelaide, however, I can give you many more recommendations!


Paul,

Interesting that you should mention that. I will be in Adelaide for a few days. So recs for there would also be appreciated.

Rick

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:41 pm
by Bytown Rick
[quote="Loztralia"]

Thanks for the tips.

Rick

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:59 pm
by PaulG
Ah, why didn't you say so?! Right - firstly I assume you'll be heading to the wine regions. When you head to McLaren Vale, stop in at the cellar door of:
Samuel's Gorge, Kays Brothers, Paxton Wines, Bent Creek (purely to try Harrison's port), Kangarilla Road, D'Arenburg and Coriole.

(If you are looking for somewhere to stay in McLaren Vale, I highly recommend the Amaroo Water Gardens (have a google for them :) ).

In McLaren Vale for food:

Fine Dining: Awganix and The Barn both of these make beautiful Modern Australian cuisine.
Casual dining: Oscar's - lovely little Italian place with a lot of character.

In the Adelaide Hills: Maximillian's - Swiss food, and beautiful atmosphere.
Don't miss Hahndorf Hill winery and Bird In Hand.

Clare Valley:
Wineries:
Stringy Brae - try the cab sauv
Sevenhill - Try the Riesling and liqueur Torquay

In Adelaide itself:
Chinese: Head down to Gouger Street (it's a large restaurant district in the CBD) and try:
1. Ty-Chow (much loved by members of this forum for great Chinese food)
2. Kowloon Cafe - great traditional food at very reasonable prices. Steaks: 1
3. Ky Chow – similar to Kowloon, and very popular.

Italian:
Either try:
Cianti Classico (rather pricey though); or
Cos on Leigh Street.

Swiss: You can’t go wrong heading to Alphutte on Pultney Street.

Modern Australian:
My current favourite restaurant is just outside of the city on Kensington Road. It’s called Vileroy, and has some fabulous food, and lovely service.

My apologies my details are so scant – I’m writing this when I’m meant to be revising for an exam and so I don’t have time to embellish. When are you heading down? We should try and organise an ‘Off-line’ when you come (if you are interested :) )

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:06 pm
by cuttlefish
Another relaxed but exceptional restaurant in Sydney is Glebe Point Diner. It's probably about a $15-20 cab ride from downtown Sydney.
Neptune Palace (Chinese) has an extensive winelist. It's above the pub at the very bottom of Pitt Street at Circular Quay.

Restaurant tips

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:39 pm
by orpheus
I would consider the following;

Napoli en bocca; excellent pizza restaurant, very casual (bordering on too casual at times), byo, very good pizzas (try the four cheeses pizza), in Haberfield.

Restaurant Atelier; excellent French restaurant, also byo, in Glebe.

Element; in King Street, city. French bistro, byo, relaxed but professional, very good French bistro-style food.

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:25 pm
by Duncan
In Sydney, Prime (yes, mostly steak) under the old post office in the centre of town has a good wine list to go with the meat. The Opera bar (http://www.operabar.com.au) has the best location in the world, next to the opera house looking at the harbour bridge. On a sunny afternoon it's the perfect spot. Favourite wine bar is De Vine, near the city centre, with good food & wine list.
Favourite cafe is Bistro Moncur, a bus or cab ride from the city centre.

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:37 pm
by Bytown Rick
Thanks everyone! I'm overwhelmed :D

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:18 pm
by dave vino

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:36 pm
by craig loves shiraz
The Woollahara hotel has an excellent restaurant in it (Bistro Moncur).

Great menu at exceptionally affordable rates when you consider the location and quality on offer. Great for that night that's a bite special but you don't want to be too extravagant.

Bookings essential.

http://www.woollahrahotel.com.au/

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:56 pm
by bacchaebabe
Hey Rick,

there's a few suggestions in there but quite a few of them are suburan ones and may be a little tricky to get to.

Also depending on what time in january, you may find many of them closed, particularly before Jan 4 due to Christmas and new year holidays.

I've been to elements Bistro at the top of King St in the city recently and it has very good, quite authentic french food at very reasonable prices. It is just a hole in the wall though and may be very warm in January. I didn't know it was BYO, but that is great.

If you want to celebrate and see some fine dining that the city is really known for, the following are my best picks and all are in the city. These are the best of the best:

Tetsuyas. This is arguably australia's best restaurant and if you'd like to go here you should consider booking now. Ten course degustation is $195 and worth every cent. You can also BYO but they have an extensive wine list. http://www.tetsuyas.com/index.html If you BYO, go for more Pinot and lighter style wines.

Bilsons. You can bring out the big reds here. Classic french cooking done very well. Degustation $165 or $135 or you can go a la carte http://www.bilsons.com.au/main.htm Sensational wine list but very exy. You can BYO here but they don't really encourage it.

Quay. This has just won every restaurant of the year award in Australia. Four courses $145. They also do a much cheaper lunch which could be worth investigating. Stunning views as they are directly opposite the Opera house. That is provided a cruise ship isn't blocking the view of course. Worth a visit. http://www.quay.com.au/ If you can only do one, I'd be inclined to go here or tets. Substantial wine list, no BYO. Some bargains, some outragously overpriced.

Becasse. French style again. Not as flashy as the others. Very refined cooking but I was dissappointed the last two times I went here. Mostly as I walked out hungry after spending a small fortune but it is good. http://www.becasse.com.au/ Overpriced wine list too. There's a range of menus. $130 for degustation or $190 with matched wines or a la carte.

Claudes. One of my personal favourites. This is in Padington so you'd need to get a cab. Should be $10-12 from the city unless the traffic is VERY bad. $135 for three courses or $165 for degustation. Lovely french food in a discreet terrace. It is also BYO but have a wine list too. I would think more Grange has been drunk in this restaruant than any other anywhere. I don't think I've ever been there without seeing a bottle. Of course, quite a few of them were my own. http://claudes.com.au/about/

Aria has a range of menu options and is right next to the opera house. http://www.ariarestaurant.com.au/Menus/524/1140/3/0/0/ It and the wine list is quite expensive but it's all good. Excellent mod oz food.

Guillaume at Benelong is also a stunner. This is inside the Opera House so is quite special. http://www.guillaumeatbennelong.com.au/. Pre theatre special can offer some value or the usual degestation or a la carte. Extensive and expensive wine list. No BYO.

Ottoman Cuisine is not quite the same standard as these but not too far off it. The preceeding restaurants are (or were) all three hats restaurants and I think ottoman is a one hat. (Like michelin stars) $80 degustation or $120 with matched wines or a la carte. They also have an exceptionally good valued wine list that is definitely worth investigating. http://www.ottomancuisine.com.au/Sydney/Sydney.html

Now for some more down to earth options. For lunch, there are food courts all over the city providing plenty of food for well under $10. These include good ones under Myers, under Centrepoint, a good one in the MLC centre, another good one under Australia Square, a smaller one in the AMP building near circular quay. There are two excellent asian food courts, one in the Hunter connection near Wynyard and one on Pitt St behind and sort of under Woolworths, near Town hall station. You might need to ask someone where this is but it is very good.

Chinatown is also great fun and there's a heap of good restaurants around there. One fun new one is a Japanese one that has touch screen ordering opposite the Entertainment Centre. It's called Wagaya and is at level 1, 78-86 Harbour St, Haymarket. The food is very good and speedy and it's a hoot. It's also busy so you'd need to book but on the day should be fine. Ph 9212 6068. It's also BYO.

For other lunch options, one I'd really recommend is the Glenmore Hotel in the rocks. It's just a pub with pretty normal pub food but they have a roof top area that has fantastic views across the harbour. It's at 96 Cumberland St. The easiest way there is up Argyle st off George st. Just before the tunnel, on the right, there is a set of steps. Go up the steps and it's the pub at the top. More steps to get to the roof but you can have a quenching beer when you get there. You may need to order food downstairs so maybe do that before you go up. You can get a beer from the bar on the roof. On a fine day, this is a magic way to spend the afternoon or at least have a break.

Another fun place is Ivy on George st, near Wynyard. It's only been opened about a year and is a destination in itself. It has numerous bars and restaurant throughout and is a funky place. You can just get bar food or eat in any of the restaurants and there's quite a few including a wine bar. An italian one has just opened up and looks out on to the swimming pool apparently. I haven't tried this one yet. Mid range prices throughout the complex but worth exploring and you won't believe your eyes.

Some other good bars are ECQ at East Circular Quay. You need to go up through the Quay Grand hotel to the bar but then you get to look down at everyone else while they wonder how you got up there. Reasonable drinks prices and bar food. Very good in the afternoons when it's not packed and it's still light. Quay Bar is in front of Customs house at Circular Quay. It's often full of people having after work drinks but it's not bad on a nice day. Young Alfreds is a pizza restaurant doing good pizzas and reasonably drinks on the other side of customs house from Quay Bar. The Argyle is on Argyle St in the rocks and used to be a big wool store. It looks fantastic now and does bar food and drinks. It gets packed with a young crowd on Friday and saturday nights but is nice for lunch. As already mentioned, Opera Bar is great too but gets PACKED on a friday night so go early to get a table or go any other night.

Further afield, Glebe has Glebe Point Diner and Atelier, as already mentioned. Both excellent mid range restaurants doing very good food and BYO. You'll need to get a cab there. Should be around $15. It can be a slightly dodgy area though due to just a couple of out of control youths so get the restaurant to get you a cab to get home and don't wander around.

Newtown also has a million cheap restaurants including thai, japanese and vietnamese. They are all good and they are all cheap and they are pretty well all BYO. Also a couple of good mid range restaurants including Linda's, La Ruscetta and Oscillate Wildly (although you won't get in here - booked out months in advance). It a great suburb to wander around too and is off the tourist route. About a $15 cab fare or get the train to Newtown station.

That lot should keep you occupied for a while. Most of these can be easily walked to from anywhere in the city. And here's a tip, if you're in Sydney for week, but a weekly cityrail pass. A rail pass is about $20 and gets you unlimited train trips around the city circle for a week and a red travelpass for $35 will also get you buses and ferries so you can go to taronga zoo, watsons bay, train out to bondi and buses down to the beach. It won't get you to Manly on the ferry but a Green $43 one will. Then you have one ticket for the whole week and can go anywhere easily and very cheaply. Don't go for the tourist passes as they are overpriced compared to these. http://www.cityrail.nsw.gov.au/fares/travelpass.jsp

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:05 pm
by bacchaebabe
Ooops, one other thing I forgot to mention, one of the big tourist things to do in Sydney is the bridge climb. While it is wonderful, it's quite expensive and time consuming and you have to wear stupid overalls and you can't take your camera. What a lot of people don't know is that you can climb one of the pylons for only $10. You're up nearly as high as the bridge climb, you do it at your leisure, you don't have to get changed and you can take you own camera so you don't get slugged for all the photos. Of course you don't get to climb all over the bridge either but that quite suits some people.

You get there the same way as to the Glenmore hotel up the stairs off Argyle st so may be a good thing to do on the same day. have lunch on the way back and chill. You can get up on to the bridge from Cumberland st and just walk across the bridge to the pylon and go up from there. It's pretty obvious. Also, just walking across the bridge is free and a fantastic thing to do on a nice day. Amazing views from there.

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:33 pm
by Loztralia
bacchaebabe wrote:Tetsuyas. This is arguably australia's best restaurant and if you'd like to go here you should consider booking now. Ten course degustation is $195 and worth every cent. You can also BYO but they have an extensive wine list. http://www.tetsuyas.com/index.html If you BYO, go for more Pinot and lighter style wines.


Unless you have strings you can pull I'm afraid you won't get in at Tetsuya's at this kind of notice: I called them in June and was told they have no dinner space left this year so made my booking for May 2009. It's possible you might get a table at lunch (Saturdays only) but even then it's doubtful.

Seconding Oscillate Wildly - though not if you're not adventurous eaters.

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:31 pm
by rooman
Hard to take any exception to bacchaebabe's recommendations. He has pretty well canvessed all the top end 3 star venues althou I would inlcude Quay which got restaurant of the year last year and has the most stunning venue of the lot IMO. http://www.quay.com.au/

Working in the corporate world, if the corporate card is coming out, these are where I would go. However if it is my card, and you are after more than meat and 3 veg then my favourite place at present has to be the Bentley Bar. The venue is an old renovated pub, the style is casual and the food fascinating. I ate there recently with some overseas friends and then went back 5 days later with my wife for the fully blown tasting menu. It also has one of the best wine lists in Australia, stunning selection and reasonable pricing. Ask for Nick to help you through the pages he has pulled together. He can talk wine for hours and actually knows his stuff!!

If you want straight BYO, there is Glebe Point Dinner but book well in advance as it is small and for the best BYO on the waters edge the sugaroom which is sort of mod Aus/French in style with mains coming in at around high$20s which is cheap for Sydney. Also Tabou for Fench Bistro fare.

As for a general Aussie food and wine addict's site, Franz's site is well worth browsing through. I suspect he has a big oral fixation since the site covers everything from coffee to wine and chocolates.

http://www.australiangourmetpages.com/

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:24 pm
by Bytown Rick
Thanks dave, craig, Kris, Loztralia and rooman for taking the time :D . I am soooooooooooo looking forward to this visit!!!!!!

There's something special about enjoying good wine, food, etc. where it's sunny and warm, knowing back home that it's cold with lots of snow :wink: .

Rick

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:44 pm
by JF
For less formal and BYO, Billy Kwongs. Go the orange duck.

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:41 pm
by dave vino
So you'll want 10 others to help you enjoy it....Offline!!!

I got Rockford BP, Clonakilla, Wendouree, Giaconda, Henschke, Leeuwins etc, etc to give you a good taste of Australia. :wink:

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:15 am
by Loztralia
So you've got two recommendations for Tetsuya's (which you won't get into), two for Oscillate Wildly (which you also won't get into) and two for The Bentley. Looks like The Bentley is the winner!

One Oscillate Wildly fact however: almost certainly the best restaurant in the world to be named after a sing by The Smiths.

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:01 pm
by Bytown Rick
Loztralia wrote:One Oscillate Wildly fact however: almost certainly the best restaurant in the world to be named after a song by The Smiths.


Does that mean it will be easier for me to get a reservation :lol: ?

I found an e-mail address for Bentleys. Does anyone have one for Oscillate Wildly or Tetsuya's?

Thanks.

Rick

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:03 pm
by Bytown Rick
bacchaebabe wrote:Hey Rick,

there's a few suggestions in there but quite a few of them are suburban ones and may be a little tricky to get to.


Kris,

A particular thank you for all the information.

Best wishes,

Rick

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:41 pm
by DJ
Tetsuya's is at:
http://www.tetsuyas.com/page/reservations.html
Good luck getting in I tried for 6 Jan earlier in the week (the wedding anniversary), they were already booked out for tables for 2 and Tuesday is meant to be the easiest night to get in - I have now been trying to go for 10 years without success - okay I have been trying only on rare specific occasions but does get frustrating. Oh well I probably can't really afford it at the moment.

There are 2 guides to Sydney Restaurants to look out for:
the Sydney Morning Herald Good Food Guide
http://www.smhshop.com.au/details.php?s ... ks&id=1164
and Sydney Eats
http://www.getprice.com.au/Sydney-Eats- ... 653955.htm
The SMH probably has the better reputation for reviewing fine dining but Sydney Eats is good for cheaper stuff. Both will be at most newsagents once you get to town.

Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:44 pm
by bacchaebabe
You almost certainly won't get into oscillate wildly unless there's a cancellation (And yes, the smiths are in my top five all time favourite bands and I've actually seen them live). It is a tiny restaurant with only about 8 tables.

Tetsuya's on the other hand is not actually that hard to get into. If you have a platinum card of any sort get the concierge to arrange it. You may also be able to do this through your hotel if it has a concierge. They hold at least one table a night for this purpose. They will also fit you in if you've been two times before. Not much help for those that have never been able to get in. Obviously booking ahead helps the most. Knowing someone who works there or doing a favour for the sommelier in the past also helps. This is possibly the most difficult path though! Trying direct on the day is also possible too as they also often have cancellations and it is quite a big restaurant.

Concur with Bently Bar aso being a very good choice.

I'd also be interested in an offline. Depends very much on the date though as I'm usually quite busy in January and February. Mid week would be best for me but you never know.

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:48 am
by orpheus
I second most of Bachaebabe's observations.

I add the following;

Becasse was very disappointing when I went there for lunch two weeks ago; service was supercilious, the portions were minute, and I did not think the food was particularly spectacular.

Tetsuya's is one of the great restaurants in the world.

My wife and I went back to Atelier at the top of Glebe Point Road (very short distance from the city) and it was absolutely terrific. The degustation menu is first rate. It is BYO from TUesday to Friday, and also cheaper those nights. It lost its Good Living hat for the first time in 5 years, and is trying very hard to get it back. It will succeed, if our meal is anything to go by, and may get two.

I agree that Guillaume's is an excellent restaurant, and it is a spectacular space. Nowhere else do you see the bones of the Opera House so well as in that space. It is fully licensed, though. It has a good wine list, though not enough aged wine.

You may have as much difficulty getting in to Oscillate Wildly as Tetsuya's, because it is very small. It is also changing chefs, I don't know whether it has happened yet.

Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:59 pm
by Duras
Agree about Becasse - very easy to understand why they lost a hat. On the other hand, Bistro Ortolan in Leichhardt was special.