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It's Sunday, it's late, where is Ric?

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Anyway, I'll jump in first and steal his thunder... Went to a small party last night for the 21st Birthday of the son of friends, there were some good wines drunk. They were mostly shiraz as this is a Thai family and they and their guests know how well Shiraz goes with Thai food ;-), although the Duck Larb was divinely spicy, most of the other food was milder. These are those I remember...

Ulithorne Flamma Sparkling Shiraz 2006, pretty yummy, rich but not over-sweet, some complexity for such a young wine, will get some more of this.
Morris Sparkling Shiraz-Durif - half the price of the Ulithorne, but also a bit of a letdown after it. Should have had them the other way round.
Rosemount Show reserve Shiraz 1996 - from the hosts passive and too-warm cellar, fully mature but still nice drinking.
Schild Estate Moorooroo Shiraz 2001 - very drinkable, but ultimately a little sweet and simple, not worth the $80+ asking price IMO.
Wendouree Shiraz 1991 - this was poured from the Grange 86 bottle, the person who brought these was playing games, I hadn't tried this wine for about 10 years, the last one from his cellar too, he has 17 left! Anyway, I was a little surprised at the way the wine appeared to have softened and matured, tannins were fine, but no longer powerful, suggest I help him drink some more soon as it was drinking well and may not get much better although it would probably hold for another 20 years.
Penfolds Grange 1986 - then he poured the Grange from the Wendouree bottle, it was a bigger wine than I rememebered for the 91 and the tannins were still very strong, indicating more maturation required yet. He then took great delight in telling us about his switch.
I actually preferred the Wendouree on the night, it is drinking very well right now and he has about 17 of them left too, so I can't complain about his trickery too much or I may not get to drink any more of them.
Wirra Wirra RSW Shiraz 1996 - Nicely mature wine, but sort of lost in amongst the other classy wines.
Seppelt Dorrien Cabernet 1998 - very good wine, needs more time yet.
Shadowfax Pink Cliffs Heathcote Shiraz 2001 - lovely wine, firmly structured, good fruit, but not fruit-driven, nice minerally and savoury notes, needs a bit more time yet.

I'm sure there were a couple more too, but things were starting to get a little fuzzy about then.

Ah, remembered one other, it was a NWS sample, Thorn Clarke William Randall Shiraz 2005, lovely sweet shiraz fruit, milk chocolate, soft tannins and a fair dose of vanilla oak, quite few people liked it, but it only scored a Bronze at the NWS.
And last, but not least Penfolds St Henri Shiraz 2002, quite enjoyable, very pure, way too young to be showing it's best, but you can see the potential there.
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Thanks for the notes RB. The 2006 RSW was mature though?

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Brian,

Not fair! You are cheating trying overtake me even faster! :x

I was about to post earlier but there was a power failure, so I went back to bed and had a snooze.

Just for that I may have post another post that's meaningless just to balance things out. :P
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Only one this weekend after a heavy night on Friday.

Early night, paired with takeaway Thai and a pretty good match to boot.


Mitchell Riesling 2002
(Screwcap)
Opened with an ugly nose of sulphur and this was all a bit reminiscent of oven baked ten day old porridge, spiked with lemon rind, and left to sit for a few days in a broiling hot greenhouse. But persist we did as the palate was all upfront lemon, lime and their accompanying rinds, with nice, only just cloying fruit sweetness. After about an hour, the horrible aromas had subsided and just the wine was left, quite pleasant, still zingy citrus, some floral qualities and good length. Not an ideal experience (in comparing recent 02s, I'm much more fond of the very steely but honey crept Steingarten, for example) but this was a pleasant enough piece of recent history and it made the Pad Thai taste that much better for it.
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Lat night I opened a Yalumba 2002 Hand Picked MSG. Its a stunningly good wine for the price and so different. Tannins are resolving nicely, and boy are they fine. The flavour profile kept changing and evolving for hours. It was layered with both sweet and off-sweet characters and had fantastic complexity. Raspberry, blackberry, roast meats, hints of pepper and so much more. It went well with the stir fry chicken chow mein with a dash of chilli that I made.

Only 5 to go till Brian is the board's most prolific poster. I hope he has though of a suitable post to mark the occasion.
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Trilogy Sparkling Rose ( $14 ) : commercial but in a good way. Fruity but not too OTT - much better than the normal Trilogy. In a strange way I was kind of disappointed I did not dislike this !

2007 Nepenthe Tryst Cabernet Rose ( $15 ) : disappointed to read " South Australia " on the label after I bought it - I assumed it would be Adelaide Hills fruit but perhaps not. Passable but not that interesting.

2007 Spinifex Rose Barossa ( $ 20 ) : lovely faded satin pink colour and good savoury palate. Very good.

1991 Leo Buring DW T18 Eden Valley/Barossa Valley Rhine Riesling : in great shape. The label modestly states cellar for 3-4 years. This had the desired combination of still being lively but also with aged characters of butteriness/toast/lime etc and had very good length.

1994 Tahbilk Cabernet Sauvignon : got 3 bottles of this from the winery - whilst it is commendable that they cellar wine for you and don't charge the earth to do so , the 2 bottles of this that I have tried have both been " pricked " - almost as if someone had tipped a teaspoon of pickled onion juice in the bottle ! Also slightly disturbed that the 2004 has alcohol of 14.5 %. Also tried the 1992 which was in good condition and drinking nice and gently. I think that Jeremy Oliver once wrote that the Tahbilk Reds fairly quickly develop and then hold for a long time and I think that is true.

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Had an offline in Cambridge with some of the mob from the UK Wine Forum. Between 8 of us we managed:

Joseph Perrier, NV, Champagne, France

2003 Carbonnieux, Blanc, Bordeaux, France

2006 Neudorf, Brightwater Pinot Gris, Nelson, NZ

2005 Beaucastel, Roussanne Vieilles Vignes, C9dP, France

1994 JJ Prum, Sonnenberg, Auslese, Saar, Germany

1983 Julius Kock & Son, Scheurebe Auslese, Ungsteiner Herrenberg, Pfalz, Germany

1999 Dalle Valle, Napa, California, USA

1998 St Henri, Shiraz, South Australia, Australia

2004 Glaetzer, Bishop, Barrossa, South Australia, Australia

1998 Janasse, Cuveé Vielles Vignes, C9dP, France

1999 Tardieu-Laurent, Cornas, Vieilles Vignes, France

1983 Chateau Musar, Bekaa Valley, Lebanon

1997 Calon Segur, St Estephe, Bordeaux, France

1985 Giscour, Margaux, Bordeaux, France

1986 Lafaurie–Peyraguey, Sauterne, France

Wine Society Port

All the wines showed exceptionally well, apart from the St Henri (IMO), which I found to be a bit open knit and hollow. Anybody else tried it recently? While I'm sort of on the subject, I've not been that impressed with how a lot of 98 SA Shirazes have been developing. Anyone else share this opinion?

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Put me down for a bloody magnificent Redesdale Estate Shiraz from 2002. Lovely dark fruit and smoky chocolate. Enjoyed another couple of bottles Noons over the last few days, the 2004 Eclipse and the Shiraz. Having a Cattier NV champers tonight while my wife tucks into a Stella Bella Pink Moscato.

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Sunday night special, for good measure...

La Corte Zinfandel Tarantino 2000
Actually a lot better than the previous bottle which was very pruney, strung out, over-sweet and one dimensional. Anyway, this one's got plenty of fruit but most of it's cooked and pruney and there's a decent whiff of smoked meats, salami and whatnot. The palate is pretty rustic, and there's a fairly rigid framework of tannin still in place. It's rusticity is it's appeal for me though; that and the full quirky shebang of fruit and a bit of cola. Perfect with Italian food -it's about to be matched with a steaming great bowl of home made pasta with equally home made bolognese sauce. Yes.
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Te Mata Bullnose Syrah 2005 - After about 2hrs this really started to shine unfortunately I was onto my last glass by then. Class wine, needs about 3 to 5 in the cellar.

Te Whare Ra Riesling 2007 - This wasn't bad but I really think Marlborough should stick to sauv. blanc as that's what this made me think of more than a good riesling.

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Glaetzer Wallace Shiraz Grenache 2006 - Ripe, peppery medium body shiraz. The Wallace is great value drinking now but will reward with good cellaring for another few years. Perfumed nose with top note of fresh raspberry,liquorice and spice. Mouthfilling palate – with generous flavours of raspberry, plum and spice over a cherry background. The grenache contributes sweet cherry, toffee and earthy characters. Overall I feel it needs another few years to develop fully. Great wine for below the $20. $18

Paringa PE Estate Pinot Noir 2006. This is Paringa's base Pinot. Semi translucent crimson colour. Perfumed nose with top note of cherry, followed by spice and ripe strawberry showing good varietal character. On the palate, flavours of cherry and plum remain youthful, overlaid by a touch of mocha. Smooth drinking Pinot. Paringa estate consistently produces great wine, especially the Pinot's. $23.

Kalleske Pirathon Shiraz 2005 - How good is this wine?. Bought a carton of this stuff last week after tasting it at a great restaurant in Brissie and also reading the great reviews it receives. I decided to open a bottle tonight as it is my wife's favourite wine and I was keen to see if it was as good as the last tasting. What a great $25 wine this is!!. The palate has excellent weight and mouthfeel. Flavours of liquorice, vanilla, and plum are supported by a touch of confectionary on the back palate and fine grained tannins. Excellent length and depth. I have put away 6 bottles for cellaring and believe this wine will only get better in a few years.

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Teusner Cellar Trial Petit Verdot blend 2005 Interesting wine. Dark red/purple, the nose has some plumminess. The palate is where the interest lies. Plums, black cherries, black olives give way to sharpish acid and slightly gravelly tannins on the finish that has a lengthy tang. A few years in hibernation may tame the acid but I suspect not.

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Pelican wrote:Trilogy Sparkling Rose ( $14 ) : commercial but in a good way. Fruity but not too OTT - much better than the normal Trilogy. In a strange way I was kind of disappointed I did not dislike this !



Of course you didin't, this bloody rose is excellent!
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Attila wrote:
Pelican wrote:Trilogy Sparkling Rose ( $14 ) : commercial but in a good way. Fruity but not too OTT - much better than the normal Trilogy. In a strange way I was kind of disappointed I did not dislike this !



Of course you didin't, this bloody rose is excellent!
Attila


Rebecca's friends quite liked it as well. Their favourite in that price category and they tried a few from what I hear :)

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Another mixed bag with a range of celebratory, christmas and cooking wines.

Wednesday at Becasse started with the 05 Neudorf Pinot Noir. Decided I wanted a NZ pinot to go with the entree special of fresh mountain mushroom risotto topped with freshly shaved truffles. Divine - both the wine and the food. The pinot was recommended by the Sommelier and was really singing. Lovely round full texture, wonderful plums, great complexity. WOTN and Week.

For main we went with an 05 Cullen Dianna Madelaine Cab Merlot. At $145 in the restuarant, I thought this was reasonably good value. Felt a bit young. Nice wine but could really do with quite a few more years to really express itself but what can you do when they won't let you BYO? We got it decanted for about an hour prior but it didn't make too much difference. Still a very good wine with nice solid body, tannins not too overt, good complexity but just a bit closed. Too full to go on to dessert!

With thai on Saturday, 04 Seppelts Chalembar. Displaying a very coconutty nose and nice licorice on the palate. Good drinking as always but plenty of years ahead.

03 Seppelt Victorian Shiraz from Magnum. Crowd pleaser this one. Still a good purple colour, chocolate and licorice.

And then I managed to drink a whole bottle of 05 Rockford Alicante Bouchet by myself. Then a million beers after that. Needless to say, sunday was very tragic. Thankfully the Alicante is quite low on alcohol at 9.5%. Looking a little tired but still pleasant enough to scoff a whole bottle. :roll: I think I have one left now before I can start on the current vintage.

And last night in the spag bol, which was perfect hangover food, 01 Sharefarmers Cab Merlot. This was one of my $10 specials, bought for cooking. Not a bad drinking wine either. Very strong anise nose. Quite full bodied with good length. Certainly worth $10!

There was also some forgettable catering brand sparkling and quite a few cocktails. Did someone say silly season?
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bacchaebabe wrote:Needless to say, sunday was very tragic. Thankfully the Alicante is quite low on alcohol at 9.5%. Looking a little tired but still pleasant enough to scoff a whole bottle. :roll: I think I have one left now before I can start on the current vintage.


My bolding. Are you refering to the wine, or yourself? :P
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Quite a big weekend, christmas cellabrations well on there way now.

04 All saints family cellar marsanne

06 Hoddles creek pinot "love this wine"[

07 Yering station pinot rose "Extra Dry"

04 Plunkett gewurztraminer
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05 Villa Wolf pinot gris

06 Torbreck G,S,M

05 Flynns "mc" shiraz

02 Yarrabank cuvee

06 Margan botrytis semmilion

Best wine for the weekend was the 05 flynns shiraz, lots of cherry on the nose and a slight mint and pepper finnish, very good wine would have been better with a bit of age. And the margan botrytis semilion, a really sweet wine, with out being glugy and syrupy.

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Pelican wrote:Trilogy Sparkling Rose ( $14 ) : commercial but in a good way. Fruity but not too OTT - much better than the normal Trilogy. In a strange way I was kind of disappointed I did not dislike this !


Curiously, why would you think this? Surely a nice wine is a nice wine.
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On the subject of this superb $12.50 wine, I just remembered, I was even inspired to write about it (elsewhere).

http://www.winestar.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17567

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Hans Herzog Chardonnay 2005 Quite madeirised on the nose (though not particularly gold) & not as good as last time tasted, around 9 months ago. (Cork)

Sacred Hill Riflemans Chardonnay 2006 Young & really needs a couple of years -- oak over-dominates for now -- but excellent, with plenty of typical Hawkes Bay stone fruit, especially after an hour or so in the glass.

Framingham Dry Riesling 2001 Drinking nicely & still fresh -- will go for quite some time yet (s/c).

Corbans Cottage Block Hawkes Bay Syrah 2005 Very dark, & needs a little age, quite concentrated with good fruit & structure.

Esk Valley Reserve Chardonnay 2000 Solid mature Hawkes Bay chardonay, still good drinking but probably a couple of years' past its best.

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Hardys Tintara Cellars Reserve Shiraz 1998 (Cellar door only wine)
Deep inky colour with spice and berries on the nose. The palate follows through with plums, berries, chocolate, and a hint of oak. Good finish. Still a very big wine that needs another 5 years to soften out.

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1999 Dom Perignon - I know I'm in the minority, but I think this will become one of the better Doms in time. Tight and lemony with decent acid spine.

1998 Peter Lehman Stonewell Shiraz - far more primary than I expected. I think this will become a decent wine in time, though its not destined for greatness.

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GraemeG wrote:
bacchaebabe wrote:Needless to say, sunday was very tragic. Thankfully the Alicante is quite low on alcohol at 9.5%. Looking a little tired but still pleasant enough to scoff a whole bottle. :roll: I think I have one left now before I can start on the current vintage.


My bolding. Are you refering to the wine, or yourself? :P
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Very funny Graeme but yes it does describe me pretty well at the moment and I think for the rest of the month!
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All the wines showed exceptionally well, apart from the St Henri (IMO), which I found to be a bit open knit and hollow. Anybody else tried it recently? While I'm sort of on the subject, I've not been that impressed with how a lot of 98 SA Shirazes have been developing. Anyone else share this opinion?


Nayan,

I have indeed been less than impressed with a few SA 98's which were written up well on release. I have not had the 98 St. Henri recently to comment, but the 98 Yalumba Signature, Brand's Stentiford, D'arenberg Dead Arm and Coppermine Trail, Rosemount Mountain Blue and Balmoral were all very disappointing. Wonder if this was due to over-ripe fruit, producing huge jammy fruit bombs initially, which are drying out, and worse for it now???

On a positive, of the 98's from SA that I have enjoyed recently, the Saltram No 1, and Eileen Hardy red were stand-outs.

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On weekend, early christmas dinner.

NV Pol Roger- Great to sip while awaiting all guests to arrive
1998 Pol Roger- Excellent with Oysters with ginger/mirin vinagerette
2004 Curly Flat Pinot- Delicious with smoked quail terrines
2000 Cornas Les Eygats- Good with Gorgonzola stuffed fresh figs wrapped with proscuito
2000 Brokenwood Graveyard Shiraz- Outstanding with crackling roast pork with thyme and onion stuffing
1999 Grant Burge Meshach- Excellent with selection of cheeses
2004 De Bortoli Noble One- Average with sour cherry ricotta cheese cake
McCallan 18 in sherry oak- Perfect to sip the night away

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Nayan wrote

All the wines showed exceptionally well, apart from the St Henri (IMO), which I found to be a bit open knit and hollow. Anybody else tried it recently? While I'm sort of on the subject, I've not been that impressed with how a lot of 98 SA Shirazes have been developing. Anyone else share this opinion?




I had a bottle of 98 St Henri a couple of weeks back and found it a treat. An hour or so decanted but still needed more. It got better as time went on and by the last glass it started to show true form. This had years left and could definitely benefit from it.

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Penfolds Bin 707 '88 Slighlty worried about it, as it had been in the car for a ten hour drive then left overnight under the seat. Needn't have worried! Definite tobacco and dark fruits, with a light herbal (for the life of me I couldn't pin it down) nose; quite well maintained fruit with lovely oak and light acid finish (a little shorter on the finish than I would have thought). Enjoyed immensely at a remote camp site with the sound of the river (Upper King) in the background. I know it's the trend to put down American Oak but when it's matched as here it can be a wonderful treat. I don't think I'm in agreement with the majority who seem to see it as inferior.

Cistercia Chardonnay (Willow Creek) Big, fruity, creamy nose with a hint of oak; viscous feeling, bold fruit and complimentary oak. Not a Chardonnay drinker (though I'm trying to educate myself) but this was very nice. Had with potatoes baked in the coals, smoked trout (fresh from the river) and salad. Heaven!

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silkwood wrote:Penfolds Bin 707 '88 Slighlty worried about it, as it had been in the car for a ten hour drive then left overnight under the seat. Needn't have worried! Definite tobacco and dark fruits, with a light herbal (for the life of me I couldn't pin it down) nose; quite well maintained fruit with lovely oak and light acid finish (a little shorter on the finish than I would have thought). Enjoyed immensely at a remote camp site with the sound of the river (Upper King) in the background. I know it's the trend to put down American Oak but when it's matched as here it can be a wonderful treat. I don't think I'm in agreement with the majority who seem to see it as inferior.


Wine always tastes better camping :)

What was the glassware?

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Henschke Abbots Prayer 2004
One of the best Merlot based wines I have tried but not worth the money IMHO.

Peter Lehmann Eight Songs 1999
Went a treat with the spanish tapas lovely shiraz with years to go and still improve further

Glaetzer Nefetari 2002
Heritage cast off, good gear for $20 but I don't think it is worth the kind of dollars the poor investors paid

Rosemount Balmoral 1995
Just starting the downward slide but still a lovely wine about 30 min in the decanter had it singing nicely. Match a good steak a treat.

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GRB wrote:Glaetzer Nefetari 2002
Heritage cast off, good gear for $20 but I don't think it is worth the kind of dollars the poor investors paid


I believe HFW paid about $16 for the Nefertari, I assume about the same for the Nefertiti as well, so at $20 less commission, they came out about square (before all the other storage costs etc). It was the lot that was offered at retail that was overpriced.
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