TN: 2003 Kalleske Greenock Shiraz

markg · Post by **markg** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 11:32 am

I thought I had better give one of these a try considering all the hype.
The color was a deep, dark, black that left thick legs of glycerine clinging like treacle to the inside of the glass. It had a compelling nose that filled the room with rich, ripe liqueur blackberry, smoke, swiss chocolate and an underlying something that I could not identify. On the palate it had fantastic fruit purity,layers of licorice, brambles and chocolate, massive extraction, a finish of over a minute and a big, sinewy tannin structure, quite a bit more overbearing than the 2002, and a clue to wait another 6 months or so before giving it another try I reckon.

707 · Post by **707** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 3:04 pm

Mark, can only agree with your notes. This a great follow up to the initial 2002 release, this is a winery that deserves its rapid rise to prominence.

Can only imagine how good the Old Vines Shiraz will be, a hard task to top the Grenock Shiraz.

It's a pity we don't get to see in Australia many of the small production wines currently being made that go exclusively to the US. I'm thinking here of three that I've tried, Hobbs, Poonawatta and Glaymond. There's many more no doubt as one discovers when reading Parkers Australian edition.

We just have to accept that for new labels it's easier to get a single cheque from a US importer than wearing out shoe leather trying to get on Australian retail shelves that are increasingly dominated by the big two grocers.

markg · Post by **markg** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 4:40 pm

Yes, looking forward to getting one of the Johann Georg to try

Chow Chow · Post by **Chow Chow** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:00 pm

MW, I missed out on the Kalleske when it was out. To be honest is it worth the 2ndary asking prices? Noons, I don't mind paying the premium.
How does it compared to some more estb. Barossan, ie.Stonewell, Saltram#1, E&E BP etc.?

Guest 707 · Post by **Guest 707** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 9:36 pm

Price is always an interesting issue, is Grange worth the $300?

The 02 & 03 Kalleske Greenock Shiraz are very very good and very serious wines. IMO worth at least as much as E&E, Saltram No.1, Stonewell etc, it's just that they are new kids on the block.

Steve

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 9:53 pm

Guest 707 wrote:Price is always an interesting issue, is Grange worth the $300?

Steve

$100 - intrinsic value
$200 - bragging right

arvinsoh · Post by **arvinsoh** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:44 am

markg wrote:Yes, looking forward to getting one of the Johann Georg to try

Greetings:

Does anyone know roughly how much the Johann Georg will cost? Is the estimate in TWA correct($120), as that's a pretty hefty price.

Cheers,

AJ

Mike Hawkins · Post by **Mike Hawkins** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 5:38 am

$120 is the estimated USD retail price. Troy told a couple of mates that it will likely be in the AUD 60 - 90 range in Oz next year. Given the tiny quantities and the quality (I tried a barrel sample in April and thought it far superior to the Greenock shiraz), I suspect the secondary market price will be much higher (the "bragging rights" post was on the money !).