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Hi all,

was hoping someone could post scores for the aussie reds in WA #155.

Regards



Ps: did whistling eagle feature in the scores?

the 2002 whistling eagle shiraz got 90 pts.

buy a copy though if you're interested in the publication - it's not THAT expensive for those interested. It is only expensive if you're not interested in the scores at all.

Dez.

Greetings:


Was there anything in particular you were looking for as there's quite a long list of wineries covered.

Some quick points of interest:
-He hated Penfolds wines
-Loved anything made by Ben Glaetzer
-Raved about Kalleske
-Overall felt 2003 was a good vintage, but well behind 1998, 2001, 2002

Cheers,

Arvin

arvinsoh wrote:Greetings:


Was there anything in particular you were looking for as there's quite a long list of wineries covered.

Some quick points of interest:
-He hated Penfolds wines
-Loved anything made by Ben Glaetzer
-Raved about Kalleske
-Overall felt 2003 was a good vintage, but well behind 1998, 2001, 2002

Cheers,

Arvin

Yes thanks. Interested in the Ben Riggs wines, & Glaetzer stuff. Also the Victorian wines. St Peters, Mount Langi, Giaconda, Wild duck creek, & also arguably the best shriaz/viognier Clonakilla (& shiraz). Kays, Dutschke. Thanks for the info.

Kind regards

On the WA #155 topic,

how does the lakes folly rate?

Chris

Christo wrote:On the WA #155 topic,

how does the lakes folly rate?

Chris

Parker? Taste Lake's Folly? That'll be the day!

cheers,
Graeme

GraemeG wrote:

Christo wrote:On the WA #155 topic,

how does the lakes folly rate?

Chris

Parker? Taste Lake's Folly? That'll be the day!

cheers,
Graeme

Don't mean to be naive... but why is that?

Chris

PS: i too would be interested in the wild duck creek scores.

Parker seems to have a cut-off at about 85 points for wines that he will write up in TWA; some 84 pointers do make it. But the problem is that he does not list all that he tastes, just what he recommends. Of course if he's pissed, like he is at Penfolds, then he will tell you that a wine like Yattarna does not deserve 80 points. I don't have #155 with me at work so I can't say if he tasted Lake's Folly; I would also doubt it. I did go to the online site and checked there under both "Lake's Folly" and "Hunter Valley". Nothing for Lake's Folly. Hunter Valey brings up two pages of wines, mostly Brokenwood. But again the lowest score is an 84 - with one exception, the 1998 Brokenwood Semillon which scored "No Rating Given". For those interested the tasting note is as follows:

"Brokenwood's 1998 Semillon is a leafy, vegetal, medium-bodied wine that is too earthy and green for my taste. Australians appear to have a fetish for Semillon that places it on a far higher pedestal of quality than I do. In addition, I am skeptical about how well Semillon ages, unlike the Aussies, who prize it at a much older age than I do."Wine Advocate #122 (Apr 1999) Robert Parker.

I wish we had an emoticon that blew raspberries! )~

Mike

My copy of it arrived yesterday and I will be doing a story on it, but there are a few head of it to complete and go up so it may be about 3-4 weeks away. I also need to check up with a couple of winemakers about a couple of technical points before I start writing too.

Christo wrote:

GraemeG wrote:

Christo wrote:On the WA #155 topic,

how does the lakes folly rate?

Chris

Parker? Taste Lake's Folly? That'll be the day!

cheers,
Graeme

Don't mean to be naive... but why is that?

Chris

PS: i too would be interested in the wild duck creek scores.

In the words of Denis Denuto "It's the vibe". Lakes Folly is a recently rejuvenated 40-year old icon wine. It's made from mostly cabernet, in the Hunter, in a medium-bodied style. I can't imagine a Lakes Folly wine ever 'offering' or 'exhibiting' the sort of qualities that Parker would score at 90+ - or even 85+, come to that. I can't imagine the owners of LF would find it in their interest to submit him a bottle in the hope of a write-up - it's always going to be a niche wine. I can't even imagine RP ever finding much Hunter wine that would fit his taste (I expect those Brokenwood reds are all McLaren Vale sourced?).

I can't imagine he's ever tasted the wines that made Lake's reputation - and almost certainly not the generally weak wines of the 90s when perhaps the family will was fading a bit. There's no credit given for announcing to the world "hey, Lake's Folly wines are worth drinking again" particularly when you've spent recent years saying "Hey look at this obscure Barossa 180-yo vine über-cuvee, 15.8% alcohol gobby wine I've discovered"

Imagine if people have already placed bottles of (say) Yeringberg and Mount Mary Quintet in front of you and said they are some of the best elegant red styles produced in the country (which you dismiss as modest Cru Bourgeois lookalikes); how are you likely to react when someone explains Lakes Folly? Perhaps I don't have much of an imagination, but I reckon a likely RP response to a Lakes Folly tasting would be, "They need to sell to Gerard Perse..."

My illustration above is largely conjecture (though I did read once a pretty dismissive note on Mount Mary), but as I say, it's just the vibe...

cheers,
Graeme

Graeme:

Your assessment is probably fairly close to the mark. My (limited) reading of Parker has him as someone who is looking for the next big thing, rather than supporting established lines. Clarendon Hills seems to be his biggest bet on Oz wine. I don't even know that he appreciates the history associated with the Oz wine industry.

As for the Brokenwood wines I went back to the online site and looked at the 2001 reds (see TWA #148)
2001 Brokenwood Shiraz Wade Block 2, McLaren Vale. 89 pts
2001 Brokenwood Shiraz Graveyard Vineyard, Hunter Valley. 90 pts
2001 Brokenwood Shiraz Rayner Vineyard, McLaren Vale. 90 pts
2001 Brokenwood Shiraz, Hunter Valley. 87

See http://www.brokenwood.com.au/wines/ for more on the individual wines.

Mike

Thank you, good samaritan.
I suscribed to eroparker.com and the result is not out online.

What about the Amon Ra 2003, how did it rate?

Greetings:

Amon ra 2003 got 96-100, as did the Mitolo GAM 2003. Basically, every high end shiraz made by Ben Glaetzer got scores of roughly 93-95 or more.

Cheers,

Arvin

I am likely to stand corrected, but I thought he no longer reveiewed the Wild Duck creek wines from last two years given (1) dave has cut back export orders significantly to the US; and (2) annual release date in November misses the August deadlines?

95pts for the Mt Edelstone 2001 and Kay's Hillside & Block 6 02.

99 pts Hill of Grace 1999.

The high number of high scoring Australian wines and the high Australian dollar will contain prices accross the board-thankfully-except in a few cases I imagine.

Page 42 of the last issue has the 01 Unnamed Magnum (only), the 02 Duck Muck and the 02 Springfield.

TORB wrote:Page 42 of the last issue has the 01 Unnamed Magnum (only), the 02 Duck Muck and the 02 Springfield.

what did they score?

91 - 95+.... We need to be careful because if we keep putting up a heap of scores, it can be deemed a breach of copyright and that could get Gavin in the poo.

TORB wrote:91 - 95+.... We need to be careful because if we keep putting up a heap of scores, it can be deemed a breach of copyright and that could get Gavin in the poo.

Ric

Agreed, that's why I deleted the previous posts showing scores.

Thanks for your understanding all.

A few surprises Ric, good scores for things I didn't think he'd like, personal favourites like Cascabel Shiraz.

Turket Flat well received, but then so it should have been.

For those of you who have seen WA #155, is it worth the US$18? Years ago I used to buy some of Parker's publicaitons, but was dissapointed in that most of the reviews were for wines that were unavailable, sometimes just sold out, but other times only available to mailing lists that were impossible to get on, or sometimes of extremely limited releases. If you've seen it, would you think #155 is actually useful as a buying guide? Thanks.

TORB wrote:Page 42 of the last issue has the 01 Unnamed Magnum (only), the 02 Duck Muck and the 02 Springfield.

You must be a Simpsons fan Ric, it's actually Springflat!


Cheers

Jamie

radioactiveman wrote:You must be a Simpsons fan Ric, it's actually Springflat!

Nope Jamie, never watched a single minute of it, but I used to use a Springfield Rifle - a long time ago.

TORB wrote:
Nope Jamie, never watched a single minute of it, but I used to use a Springfield Rifle - a long time ago.

Which model? The latest muzzle loader which you bought brand new off the shelf would be my bet. Heh Heh. Images of Ric "Davey" Einstein, king of the wild frontier spring to mind. looking at your photo all you need is a coon skin hat, if you are still allowed to call them that.

I think I will go and cook a steak and open a red in either order before I get myself into too much trouble.

Here's a few -
D'arenberg Dead Arm Shiraz 2002 92+
Jim Barry Armagh 2001 96
Jim Barry Armagh 2002 99
Burge family Winemakers G3 2002 96
Clarendon Hills Romas 2002 96
Clarendon Hills Astralis 2003 96-100
Clarendon Hills Astralia 2002 99
Glaetzer Shiraz 2002 95
Glaymond Landrace Shiraz 96
Greenock Creek Roenfeldt Road Cab Sauv 1998 100
Greenock Creek Alices Shiraz 2001 98
Greenock Creek Apircot Block 2001 99+
Greenock Creek Creek Block 2001 100
Greenock Creek Roenfeldt Road Shiraz 1998 100
Greenock Creek Seveb Acre 2001 98
Kaesler Old Bastard 2002 96+
Kalleske Greenock Shiraz 2002 96
Kalleske Greenock Shiraz 2003 96-100
Kangarilla Road Shiraz Viognier 2003 95
Kilikanoon Oracle Shiraz 2002 96
Mitolo Reiver 2003 95-100
Mitolo GAM Shiraz 2003 96-100
Rusden Black Guts Shiraz 2001 97
Shirvington Shiraz 2003 96

Cheers
Garth

tks for the post garth.

Garth Oldfield wrote:Here's a few -
D'arenberg Dead Arm Shiraz 2002 92+
Jim Barry Armagh 2001 96
Jim Barry Armagh 2002 99
....etc

Cheers
Garth

thanks garth, its amazing how many high end scores he gives. I'm worried as prices will rise with increased demand.

Christo