The Red or White Burgundy thread

[michel]

Last night I realised that we needed this thread when I opened my last

2001 Domaine Comte de Vogue Bonnes-Mares
I love the cellar tracker recent posts that suggest this wine has fallen off a cliff
Earthy sensuous perfume with incredible length and Peacocks tail that splays over the palate.
Haunting array of characters that blended well with sourdough and cheese.
This will hold easily with great cellaring.
I love Francois Millet at cellar door calling this wine the black uncle- dark sinister and unpredictable.
He said everyone reckons their vines are above the road.
In fact most are below the road with Vogue in the mud.

The Arnoux is in such a great headspace with white geranium flowers and powdery tannins.

A great mix of wines with woodfired pizza from the oven at home.

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[felixp21]

2002 Domaine du Clos de Tart, Clos de Tart
stunning wine, beautiful floral nose, incredibly pure and bright red fruits on the palate... liqueur cherries, anise, earth, plums, bitter dark chocolate. Big wine for a Morey, fantastic complexity and length. Still pretty young but drinking well. Has literally decades to go. 97pts

2008 Armand Rousseau Clos de la Roche
never been a big fan of Rousseau's CdlR, not surprisingly his vines are not ideally located. Still pretty hard and a bit shut down, the tannins clamp down at the finish, giving the wine a "clipped" feel. Will certainly improve over the next decade, but will never be memorable. 91++

2010 Jean et Louis Trapet Latricieres Chambertin
oh lordy, this is a big black monster of a wine, but just so fantastic to drink. Dark cherries, plums, blood, lots of Gevrey Earth. Staggering length, the complexity stupendous. Like most 10's, this is stacked and packed with all sorts of goodies, but there is a boot-load of ripe but firm tannins lurking underneath, suggesting that sometime in the near future, this is going to head off for a long slumber. I won't touch my remaining bottles for another decade. 96++

[felixp21]

BTW, Michel, I'm not happy with Arnoux's new labels!!! Pretty crappy, IMO, and a trend that seems to be creeping into many Burgundy Domaines.

[michel]

BTW, Michel, I'm not happy with Arnoux's new labels!!! Pretty crappy, IMO, and a trend that seems to be creeping into many Burgundy Domaines.

I know
but it is what is in the bottle that counts

[michel]

2010 Rousseau Clos de la Roche
pale and perfumed some purple flowers
great headspace

2014 Rousseau Clos de Beze double blind this was fine structured obviously young but I guessed it was 2012 Musigny
it blossomed up over a couple of hours
special indeed

[felixp21]

1985 Georges Noellat Vosne Romanee 1er Cru Beaux Monts
picked this up as a late release maybe 10 years ago, usually these types are not that good, but this was stunning. Full of Vosne spice and perfume, rich, round and with amazing length. I've been on a lucky roll with Burgundy so far this year!!! 94pts

[felixp21]

1991 Domaine Leroy Pommard Les Vignots
1991 continues to improve and rival the great 1990 vintage in many addresses in Burgundy, not dissimilar to 2001 besting 2000 in many Right Bank Bordeaux Chateau. This is yet another lovely 1991. Needed decanting, as there was a little brett that needed to blow off. After an hour, this still massive wine was packed with sour cherry, white flowers, and that "oily feel" that seems peculiar to Leroy. A little rusticity actually added to the overall interest. Given it's level, quite a remarkable wine. 94pts

[Ozzie W]

2009 Faiveley Vosne-Romanée

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Very good structure and complexity for a Village level wine. Still fruit driven by rich dark berries and black cherries. Tannins are mild. Tertiary notes of earthiness and cigar box starting to develop. Should develop further over the next 5 years.

[Dragzworthy]

2009 Faiveley Vosne-Romanée

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Very good structure and complexity for a Village level wine. Still fruit driven by rich dark berries and black cherries. Tannins are mild. Tertiary notes of earthiness and cigar box starting to develop. Should develop further over the next 5 years.

I’m waiting to have my Domaine Perdrix Vosne Romanee Village 2007. Hope it’s something similar to this. Really only just dipping my toe into Burgundy..

[Ozzie W]

2009 Faiveley Vosne-Romanée

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Very good structure and complexity for a Village level wine. Still fruit driven by rich dark berries and black cherries. Tannins are mild. Tertiary notes of earthiness and cigar box starting to develop. Should develop further over the next 5 years.

I’m waiting to have my Domaine Perdrix Vosne Romanee Village 2007. Hope it’s something similar to this. Really only just dipping my toe into Burgundy..

2007 generally not a vintage for the long term. I wouldn't wait any longer. Enjoy the journey!

[felixp21]

1980 DRC La Tache
the highlight (although not the best wine) of a big dinner the night after CNY. Still amazingly rich, but weightless. Lots of very dark cherry, iron, earth, with a little residual candy/cola. In a beautiful spot, but I would have thought will power on for at least another two decades. 96pts

1991 Faiveley Chambertin Clos de Beze
ridiculous, honestly, this is still a primary wine!! Leave alone for another 20 years, of course this wine re-ignited the age-old debate as to why anyone would make wines like this. Unless you can afford to buy these when you are about 20 years old, and forget them for 50 years, then there is simply no point IMO. Purchased this case on release, this is bottle 5, and I'm seriously pissed off. Glad Faiveley finally changed to making reasonable wines that you can actually drink in your lifetime, now somebody needs to get de Montille to do the same. 91++++ pts

[michel]

1991 Domaine Leroy Pommard Les Vignots
1991 continues to improve and rival the great 1990 vintage in many addresses in Burgundy, not dissimilar to 2001 besting 2000 in many Right Bank Bordeaux Chateau. This is yet another lovely 1991. Needed decanting, as there was a little brett that needed to blow off. After an hour, this still massive wine was packed with sour cherry, white flowers, and that "oily feel" that seems peculiar to Leroy. A little rusticity actually added to the overall interest. Given it's level, quite a remarkable wine. 94pts

The 2001 Leroy Vignots a few years ago took my breath away
This prompted me to buy a 1996 off Langton’s which was dried out.

[michel]

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2015 Hubert Lamy en remilly 1er St Aubin
Long minerally fresh
Just near Criots
Excellent persistence and structure

2013 Mugneret Gibourg NSG 1er
Les vignes Rondes
Some 13 camphor eccentricity
Earthy mouthfeel with exuberant mineraly fruit and chablis like tannins
Three hours in & I really rate this wine.


Both really enjoyable after a weekend of work!

[michel]

2009 Faiveley Vosne-Romanée

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Very good structure and complexity for a Village level wine. Still fruit driven by rich dark berries and black cherries. Tannins are mild. Tertiary notes of earthiness and cigar box starting to develop. Should develop further over the next 5 years.

I’m waiting to have my Domaine Perdrix Vosne Romanee Village 2007. Hope it’s something similar to this. Really only just dipping my toe into Burgundy..

2007 generally not a vintage for the long term. I wouldn't wait any longer. Enjoy the journey!

I concur
Village 07
Drink up !

[Dragzworthy]

Oops should’ve done my homework pre purchase. Will get on my bike and drink it... watch this space, will report back.

[brodie]

This week's red burgs (and no, this was not a typical week)

1969 Sichel Corton Renardes: from magnum, wonderful old Corton, powerful and mature and long, lovely
1982: Drouhin Beaune 1er cru: pale red/orange. lovely sweet fruit in gentle decline, soft and round and sweet.
1998: Hudelot-Noellat VR Les Beaumonts: mature nose, balanced and long, HN house in evidence, fine tannins, sweet fruits
2005: Bachelet Cotes des Nuits Villages: still quite youthfully tannic, powerful but not especially complex. Needs more time
2005: Roumier CM Les Cras: youthful and powerful but actually quite enjoyable, dark red fruits, great structure
2007 Rousseau Chambertin: Wonderful and wide open and fantastic, refined with red fruits and lovely balance and length
2010: Faiveley GC Combe aux Moines: new school Faiveley, open for business, delicious, lots of fruit, fine tannins, strong future

Brodie

[Hacker]

2001 Robert Chevilllon Chaignots. Sex in a bottle. Smooth, deep, complete. Length to burn.

Cold shower.

[sjw_11]

2001 Robert Chevilllon Chaignots. Sex in a bottle. Smooth, deep, complete. Length to burn.

Cold shower.

... As good as wine is, if you start thinking it is better than sex, you are probably doing it wrong!

[felixp21]

2009 Lucien le Moine Clos St Denis
Le Moine, Leroux, Bernstein.... there is a raft of incredibly talented younger generation Negociant in Burgundy making stunning wines and shaking the very foundations of classic Burgundy. This wine is a great example of the talent of the new wave in this region, made with a nod to the modern Burgundian influence, but very true to terroir and clearly of top-tier Grand Cru quality. Gorgeous bright red fruits, candy,roses, powerful and rich but retaining wonderful agility, classic power without weight. Fans out to an extraordinary finish. Supreme length.
This Negoce is not cheap, particularly GC's like this, but they are certainly well worth the cost of entry. 97pts drink 2020-2040.

[Con J]

This week's red burgs (and no, this was not a typical week)

1969 Sichel Corton Renardes: from magnum, wonderful old Corton, powerful and mature and long, lovely
1982: Drouhin Beaune 1er cru: pale red/orange. lovely sweet fruit in gentle decline, soft and round and sweet.
1998: Hudelot-Noellat VR Les Beaumonts: mature nose, balanced and long, HN house in evidence, fine tannins, sweet fruits
2005: Bachelet Cotes des Nuits Villages: still quite youthfully tannic, powerful but not especially complex. Needs more time
2005: Roumier CM Les Cras: youthful and powerful but actually quite enjoyable, dark red fruits, great structure
2007 Rousseau Chambertin: Wonderful and wide open and fantastic, refined with red fruits and lovely balance and length
2010: Faiveley GC Combe aux Moines: new school Faiveley, open for business, delicious, lots of fruit, fine tannins, strong future

Brodie

Hi Brodie.

Maybe not a typical week but looks like a pretty good week.

Cheers Con.

[felixp21]

2001 Jean Grivot Clos de Vougeot
2001 was the second last vintage i purchased from this producer, the inconsistency and irrational price increase after 2002 led me to more reliable and affordable Domaines.
This was a sublime wine upon release, right up there with the very greatest of the vintage, but after about 2005, it closed down for a decade. I wasted 3-4 bottles testing the wine over this period, but finally it has come out of its shell and is, at 16+ years of age, showing it's full glory.
A rich and luxurious wine, this has an unusual combination of well-defined tertiary flavours upon entry and mid-palate, then expands to a surprisingly primary and blue-fruited finish. Quite extraordinary, and I personally haven't really seen this before. But there is no doubt... a Peacock's tail full of sweet blueberries, although the wine is certainly not sweet. Incredibly enjoyable. 95pts drink: now-2030

As good as this wine is, it doesn't convince me to start re-purchasing this Domaine, the cost of entry is much too high for the quality offered, and there are far better values out there in the Cote d'Or.

[brodie]

This week's red burgs (and no, this was not a typical week)

1969 Sichel Corton Renardes: from magnum, wonderful old Corton, powerful and mature and long, lovely
1982: Drouhin Beaune 1er cru: pale red/orange. lovely sweet fruit in gentle decline, soft and round and sweet.
1998: Hudelot-Noellat VR Les Beaumonts: mature nose, balanced and long, HN house in evidence, fine tannins, sweet fruits
2005: Bachelet Cotes des Nuits Villages: still quite youthfully tannic, powerful but not especially complex. Needs more time
2005: Roumier CM Les Cras: youthful and powerful but actually quite enjoyable, dark red fruits, great structure
2007 Rousseau Chambertin: Wonderful and wide open and fantastic, refined with red fruits and lovely balance and length
2010: Faiveley GC Combe aux Moines: new school Faiveley, open for business, delicious, lots of fruit, fine tannins, strong future

Brodie

Hi Brodie.

Maybe not a typical week but looks like a pretty good week.

Cheers Con.

Hi Con, yes some lovely wines, hope all is well in Melb.

Brodie

[michel]

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My apologies the photographs are not in order
Theme was Grand Cru 1998 or earlier
It was a root day yesterday but the burgundy Gods smiled at us and the wines were stunning-no premox or tca
The Rousseau Chambertin 1993 was wonderfully perfumed deft & transparent as was the 1980 Vogue Bonnes Mares
Both are still young
The Vogue Musigny makes you appreciate what age can do to their complexity and enchantment.
We also spoke of how the Faivley of old can really blossom with time.
An interesting comment was made that the wines off prephyloxerra vines were of a higher standard
One of the tasters has had quite a lot of 1880s burgs
Made me somewhat intrigued

[felixp21]

2006 Gerard Raphet GC 1er Cru "Les Combottes"
this has been kinda staring at me in the wine fridge up here, so I thought I may as well finally open it and see. Reputation as a pretty mundane producer, but keenly priced. (I think I purchased this for around $60 AUD in 2012-13)
cherry, a bit of plum, Gevrey earth and iron filings. Average length and focus, but a reasonable rough and ready red for current consumption. Misses the lifted minerality that separates Burgundy from many new world versions. 88pts drink: now-2020.

[michel]

2006 Gerard Raphet GC 1er Cru "Les Combottes"
this has been kinda staring at me in the wine fridge up here, so I thought I may as well finally open it and see. Reputation as a pretty mundane producer, but keenly priced. (I think I purchased this for around $60 AUD in 2012-13)
cherry, a bit of plum, Gevrey earth and iron filings. Average length and focus, but a reasonable rough and ready red for current consumption. Misses the lifted minerality that separates Burgundy from many new world versions. 88pts drink: now-2020.

Has the label a picture of gates?

[TiggerK]

Wonderful group of wines above michel! How were the C-C's ?

The taster with the 1880's burgs experience is a very lucky person indeed! (Old age? Access to great old cellar?? Tech billionaire buying fakes? Just curious)

Cheers
Tim

[felixp21]

2006 Gerard Raphet GC 1er Cru "Les Combottes"
this has been kinda staring at me in the wine fridge up here, so I thought I may as well finally open it and see. Reputation as a pretty mundane producer, but keenly priced. (I think I purchased this for around $60 AUD in 2012-13)
cherry, a bit of plum, Gevrey earth and iron filings. Average length and focus, but a reasonable rough and ready red for current consumption. Misses the lifted minerality that separates Burgundy from many new world versions. 88pts drink: now-2020.

Has the label a picture of gates?

nah, it's the one with the house. His more recent stuff is much better, but this wine was still in the "down" period. But not bad for a reasonably cheap 1er Cru.

[michel]

The whites were fresh & exciting
I miss good fresh old white burgs

He drinks genuine gear occasionally with JH & but is in Australia’s most hardcore tasting group.
They had Woodley Treasure Chest wines
Maurice O’Shea gear
Beautiful lables
Thread drift sorry

[michel]

2006 Gerard Raphet GC 1er Cru "Les Combottes"
this has been kinda staring at me in the wine fridge up here, so I thought I may as well finally open it and see. Reputation as a pretty mundane producer, but keenly priced. (I think I purchased this for around $60 AUD in 2012-13)
cherry, a bit of plum, Gevrey earth and iron filings. Average length and focus, but a reasonable rough and ready red for current consumption. Misses the lifted minerality that separates Burgundy from many new world versions. 88pts drink: now-2020.

Has the label a picture of gates?

nah, it's the one with the house. His more recent stuff is much better, but this wine was still in the "down" period. But not bad for a reasonably cheap 1er Cru.

Aha!
Tried quite a few about 10 years ago
Never had an engaging one

[TiggerK]

The whites were fresh & exciting
I miss good fresh old white burgs

He drinks genuine gear occasionally with JH & but is in Australia’s most hardcore tasting group.
They had Woodley Treasure Chest wines
Maurice O’Shea gear
Beautiful lables
Thread drift sorry

Yeah good aged white burg is becoming an oxymoron sadly.

Ah the Monday Table eh... hardcore indeed. (We're going to give them some competition tomorrow night though!)