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Do i risk pre-mox and open it or send it to auction? Does anyone have experience with 08 white burgs?

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Open... disingenuous otherwise if you expect it's premoxed

Drink the friggin’ thing

Not much on Don Cornwells site
http://oxidised-burgs.wikispaces.com/Domaine+Leflaive

had an 86 of that about a month ago, was awesome!!! But that was well before the premox days. My last Leflaive experience was last week, when we tipped a 2009 Pucelles down the sink, undrinkable premox.

My solution has been not to buy - excepting some Maconnais wines, which get drunk quicker, and oddly seem to have less of a premox problem

That solution because the other options of drink too soon, or wait in fear don't appeal.

Sending to auction IMO is not bad, because after 20 years of the premox problem, it really should be known by wine enthusiasts now. What I would say is out of order, is to line the bottles of a case up, and send just the darker ones off to auction. Anyone doing that would know exactly what they were doing, that being stitching some poor sucker up.

Yes. A compelling reason why I rarely if ever buy at auction anymore...

We had a similar quandry at a recent birthday celebration with a magnum of Ramonet Montrachet, 06 I think. We coravinned it.

It was premoxed.

Wayno wrote:Yes. A compelling reason why I rarely if ever buy at auction anymore...

This isnt an Auction only issue, its a white burgundy issue. Iv'e given up. Will not buy white burgs any more. Its a lottery with a very high ticket price.

Anything Leflaive older than 2011 (and younger than 96ish) has a reasonably good chance of being a goner..

I think selling anything you feel is premoxed is probably not honest..although you could argue that at this point you have a Schrodingers cat situation..you don't know for sure..

You also have to figure most people buying White Burgundy know the potential pitfalls as well...

You also have different opinions on when a wine is actually premoxed...what I consider premox I know some people would just consider to be very advanced...

Over 95% chance premoxed
We had three younger Leflaive Chevalier last Christmas
One (2010) was excellent
Two other vintages we premox
We vowed never to buy Leflaive again...
Your call

Bloody hell, you’ld think something so expensive has at least a better strike rate then what white burgs does. Still i do want to try it if only to have had tried it. Just need to find someone to drink it with

michel wrote:Over 95% chance premoxed
We had three younger Leflaive Chevalier last Christmas
One (2010) was excellent
Two other vintages we premox
We vowed never to buy Leflaive again...
Your call

They've switched to Diam...not sure this will really do anything but can't hurt...

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What is most interesting is that the lowest incidence of premox is for Coche Dury, DRC, Raveneau and Leroy/D'Auvenay. Surely it can't be too hard to figure out what this group is/isn't doing compared to the main offenders?

Sean wrote:Jamie Goode did a post about that on his blog.

[url]http://www.wineanorak.com/wineblog/wine-sci ... ch-to-diam[/url]

Tells you that Leflaive switched to Diam for their 14 vintage. Also mentions others trying alternatives to “natural” cork.

Someone in the comments section says Jadot changed to Diam with their 11 vintage whites for example.

Not had any premox problem with Diam-sealed wines myself, including those from the negociant Louis Latour that I have drunk.

Might be interesting to know if Diam makes a difference to whether or not you would buy the wines now?

will surely be interesting
wont seal the deal if the premox continues but will narrow down the feild

tarija wrote:What is most interesting is that the lowest incidence of premox is for Coche Dury, DRC, Raveneau and Leroy/D'Auvenay. Surely it can't be too hard to figure out what this group is/isn't doing compared to the main offenders?

After 2004 I stopped buying Raveneau because of premox
I have never had Coche or Leroy premox
I have definitely had rare DRC & Ramonet premox
FWIW