Small retailer's question

Gavin Trott · Post by **Gavin Trott** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:49 pm

Hello

I have been searching for some time for cleanskin wines of sufficient quality and value for money to sell.

I am interested the opinions of you as wine consumers.

How many of you buy/drink cleanskin wines?

What is the image amongst consumers of this style of wine, and wine resale methods?

Would you buy cleanskins of the price and quality were right?

Naturally, if you have no interest in helping out with this mini questionnaire I would understand completely.

Red Bigot · Post by **Red Bigot** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:51 pm

Hi Gavin,

I don't buy cleanskins much, I'm a bit wary, but taste them when I can and find very few to my liking, especially since I don't buy quaffers these days.

That being said, I have bought a carefully selected few with generally good results, either from cleanskin merchants with a good returns policy or from a merchant I buy from regularly and trust.

I suspect in the current wine market there will be quite a few opportunities to pick up parcels of wine from hurting small makers as cleanskins that would otherwise have been offered at twice the price. If you can pick up some of these rather than the mostly early drinking undistinguished dross that's on offer then I'm interested, even if you can't reveal the maker.

TORB · Post by **TORB** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:02 pm

Hi Gavin,

As a general rule I don't buy cleanskins unless I get to taste them first and then most of the time they don't pass muster. There is a lot of real crap out there that belongs in a cardboard box being sold as "quality" (sic) cleanskin wine.

However from time to time there are some beauts where the wine is the real article and for some reason doesn't get labelled and the producer sells them off cheaply. Some time ago for instance, I picked up some 1999 Richmond Grove Shiraz as a clean skin for $12.50 a bottle.

Now those ones are worth buying provided you know the situation is Kosher and not some crap being passed off as the real stuff. It's very much a case of having to trust the supplier.

GrahamB · Post by **GrahamB** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:34 pm

I will only buy if I can taste the wine first and often only when I get to confirm my taste in a second (different) bottle. This does not help your situation Gavin.

I did buy some Normans "Peacock" (just before they went under) some time back as a cleanskin and it has proven to be a winner. Also got a great 99 McLaren Vale shiraz about six months ago.

Graham

707 · Post by **707** » Sun Mar 21, 2004 11:24 am

Gavin, I buy cleanskins from time to time, mostly $20+ quality, which is where my palate lives, at low teens prices, which is where my wallet lives!

There is alot of dross in this market and alot of hot air pumping up the offerings but there are some in my category, you just have to find them.

Having found them, you can drink away merrily and frequently without the wallet hurting - now I like that.

Good luck with your current offerings, I know how many you have rejected before stumbling on this cache. I'll be placing an order for the two McV Shiraz, my wallet is telling me to do it.

Cheers - Steve

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Mar 21, 2004 11:28 am

But there again Gavin, if you have confidence in their quality, why not forward some of them on to some of the better known posters here and let them rate the wine for you and the rest of the forum. I am sure if someone like Torb gave them a thumbs up we would all be a little less hesitant.

I think there is room for a good quaffer in many peoples cellar- just that it is harder to find them in clean skins

Red Bigot · Post by **Red Bigot** » Sun Mar 21, 2004 12:08 pm

TORB has ordered 3 cases of the 2000 cleanskin shiraz for himself and friends, including 6 for me.

Gavin Trott · Post by **Gavin Trott** » Sun Mar 21, 2004 4:52 pm

Anonymous wrote:But there again Gavin, if you have confidence in their quality, why not forward some of them on to some of the better known posters here and let them rate the wine for you and the rest of the forum. I am sure if someone like Torb gave them a thumbs up we would all be a little less hesitant.

I think there is room for a good quaffer in many peoples cellar- just that it is harder to find them in clean skins

Thanks

Good idea, TORB has tried one and has notes I can use, and the other has been through my tasting panel's palates, almost all well known posters here.

I will do that more in the future too.

Thanks

PaulSheldon · Post by **PaulSheldon** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 3:46 pm

Gavin

I am the same as Ric, most of my cleanskins are label wines without the label, for one reason or another, usually direct from a winery as a result of overproduction of wine or underproduction of packaging.

However, having said that if a cleanskin you had was favourably rated by a couple of the well known Auswine forumites I would be keen.

markg · Post by **markg** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 4:27 pm

Gavin Trott wrote:Hello

I have been searching for some time for cleanskin wines of sufficient quality and value for money to sell.

I am interested the opinions of you as wine consumers.

How many of you buy/drink cleanskin wines?

What is the image amongst consumers of this style of wine, and wine resale methods?

Would you buy cleanskins of the price and quality were right?

Naturally, if you have no interest in helping out with this mini questionnaire I would understand completely.

Normally I avoid cleanskins, but the ones you pulled out on Friday night were exceptional quality and a total suprise (we all picked them as excellent quality wines in the 25 to 35 price range and you could have blown us down with a feather when Gavin revealed they were cleanskins).

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:27 pm

I don't buy clean skin wines. I am like RB a bit don't buy quaffer wines. Now I only buy well made and long live wines.

Cheers
Rob

AlanK · Post by **AlanK** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 9:17 pm

As I don't drink a lot, I will only buy cleanskins if they are as good as wines which are twice their prices. Otherwise, why take the risk?

Cheers,
Alan

Brett Stevens · Post by **Brett Stevens** » Mon Mar 22, 2004 11:09 pm

Gavin

I do buy cleanskins only after i have tasted or if i know what the wine is and the label has been torn off so i cant resell it. i have also been fortunate to collect some bottles from labs around the country. all used for quaffing though i dont get together with my wine wanker friends and pull out a 1976 cleanskin red.

Quality for price

Brett

Lincoln · Post by **Lincoln** » Tue Mar 23, 2004 3:48 pm

Seldom really: I really have to know and trust the producer; it cannot be from some unnamed source. In the past I've bought cleanskins from Ashton Hills, Noons and Primo Estate, and that's about it.

guest8 · Post by **guest8** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 12:49 am

TORB wrote:Hi Gavin,

As a general rule I don't buy cleanskins unless I get to taste them first and then most of the time they don't pass muster. There is a lot of real crap out there that belongs in a cardboard box being sold as "quality" (sic) cleanskin wine.

However from time to time there are some beauts where the wine is the real article and for some reason doesn't get labelled and the producer sells them off cheaply. Some time ago for instance, I picked up some 1999 Richmond Grove Shiraz as a clean skin for $12.50 a bottle.

Now those ones are worth buying provided you know the situation is Kosher and not some crap being passed off as the real stuff. It's very much a case of having to trust the supplier.

Hey TORB,

I picked up my Richmond Grove 1999 Shiraz for $12 per bottle with the label on !!

cheers guest8

TORB · Post by **TORB** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:45 am

guest8 wrote:
Hey TORB,

I picked up my Richmond Grove 1999 Shiraz for $12 per bottle with the label on !!

cheers guest8

You did well, much better than most. Even the 94 (on special) was $15.

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