Suggestions for Shiraz Viognier tasting

707 · Post by **707** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:24 pm

I've been out of circulation for a long time now (no, not at Her Majesty's pleasure!) and have lost touch with what's good in new releases.

I'm having a Shiraz Viognier tasting, no price restrictions. So far have RunRig, Clonakilla, Turner's Crossing, Sons of Eden, The Relic, Hobbs.

Appreciate your suggestions.

dave vino · Post by **dave vino** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:50 pm

Yering Station Reserve SV

ross67 · Post by **ross67** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:17 pm

John loxton Regional Selection: Currency Creek. SV 2002

Very hard to find but this vintage is very good

ross

cuttlefish · Post by **cuttlefish** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:19 pm

I think there is a new release of the Yalumba Hand Picked SV around the traps, and I definitely saw the new release of the Wolf Blass Gold Label SV recently. Eden Hall is a fave of mine. No idea where you might source that from, but if you're in South Aussie, it might be everywhere, I dunno...

rooman · Post by **rooman** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:49 pm

If your budget can run to Runrig, think about some of the Cote Rotie for sale at the Exchange run by Langtons. Last time I checked they had some very respectable 99s.

JamieH · Post by **JamieH** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:41 pm

second vote for Cote Rotie, got to have a benchmark in there, maybe if you can find a Guigal La La, also to keep it interesting a bottle of Boireann Shiraz Vion from Queensland Granite Belt. Sounds like an interesting tasting!

Jamie

Jay60A · Post by **Jay60A** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:18 pm

rooman wrote:If your budget can run to Runrig, think about some of the Cote Rotie for sale at the Exchange run by Langtons. Last time I checked they had some very respectable 99s.

A lot of Cote Roties are 100% Shiraz now ... just a point of order :wink:

.

griff · Post by **griff** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:28 pm

Shaw and Smith should be in there.

cheers

Carl

JamieH · Post by **JamieH** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:41 pm

is shaw and smith a SV?

griff · Post by **griff** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:13 pm

JamieH wrote:is shaw and smith a SV?

It certainly was. Not sure about the 2007. They seem to keep the viognier addition pretty quiet. Maybe some people in the know can let us know?

cheers

Carl

Davo · Post by **Davo** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:51 am

Torbreck Run Rig or Descendent
Guigal Cote Rotie "Brune et Blonde"
Yalumba Shiraz/V
Clonakilla

The problem also lies in the fact that there are many supposedly straight shiraz around that have a small percentage of viognier and you wonn't know unless you ask the winemaker

ChrisV · Post by **ChrisV** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:52 am

dave vino wrote:Yering Station Reserve SV

This. Excellent wine.

ChrisV · Post by **ChrisV** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:55 am

griff wrote:
JamieH wrote:is shaw and smith a SV?

It certainly was. Not sure about the 2007. They seem to keep the viognier addition pretty quiet. Maybe some people in the know can let us know?

cheers

Carl

I have had the 2007 twice. I would be pretty surprised if it had any viognier. It's pretty savoury. The nose is more like chicken stuffing, all herbal, than any of the typical apricotty stuff you'd get from viognier.

winetastic · Post by **winetastic** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:28 am

Meerea Park SV 2007 is inexpensive and rather good.

jeremy · Post by **jeremy** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:27 am

JamieH says

a bottle of Boireann Shiraz Vion from Queensland Granite Belt

Second that! Try and get an 05 if you can. Peter Stark's SV's do better with a little time and when he can use his own fruit (ie has not been wiped out by hail!). IMHO of course

Yering Station would have to be in there too I would've thought.

ufo · Post by **ufo** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:44 am

If you can find it, 2007 Lazy balerina Sv is a cracker

n4sir · Post by **n4sir** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:03 am

... and you could also check the suggestions when you brought up this same question six months ago Steve:

http://forum.auswine.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=8859

By the way, how was NE Victoria?

Cheers,
Ian

rooman · Post by **rooman** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:48 am

Jay60A wrote:
rooman wrote:If your budget can run to Runrig, think about some of the Cote Rotie for sale at the Exchange run by Langtons. Last time I checked they had some very respectable 99s.

A lot of Cote Roties are 100% Shiraz now ... just a point of order .

every time I think I understand life's rules, they move the bleeding goal posts. :cry:

707 · Post by **707** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:58 pm

n4sir wrote:... and you could also check the suggestions when you brought up this same question six months ago Steve:

http://forum.auswine.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=8859

By the way, how was NE Victoria? Cheers, Ian

Thanks Ian, that's what wwwwworking does for you - makes you forget what you've already done! Useful suggestions from both posts so thanks everyone, I'll now go out and scout some good stores.

NE Victoria was bloody dry, I got out just before the bushfire perod so it's a damned sight drier now. The most stupid thing I saw was the $700M pipeline being constructed from a nearly dry lake in NE Victoria down to Melbourne, go figure!

rooman · Post by **rooman** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:08 pm

707 wrote:
n4sir wrote:... and you could also check the suggestions when you brought up this same question six months ago Steve:

http://forum.auswine.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=8859

By the way, how was NE Victoria? Cheers, Ian

Thanks Ian, that's what wwwwworking does for you - makes you forget what you've already done! Useful suggestions from both posts so thanks everyone, I'll now go out and scout some good stores.

NE Victoria was bloody dry, I got out just before the bushfire perod so it's a damned sight drier now. The most stupid thing I saw was the $700M pipeline being constructed from a nearly dry lake in NE Victoria down to Melbourne, go figure!

It makes more sense than the $10b give away by the government just before xmas, most of which went into the pokies at the local pub and new tvs from JB HiFi.

Gary W · Post by **Gary W** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:29 pm

Starvedog Lane is pretty good.
GW

John #11 · Post by **John #11** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:18 pm

Ravenswood Lane (www.thelane.com.au) "Off The Leash Max" SV 2006, or 2007 is/are very nice, and very affordable. Lovely cool climate shiraz.

David · Post by **David** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:32 pm

Suggestions for a Shiraz Viognier tasting? Don't do it. (Joking)

Rawshack · Post by **Rawshack** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:13 am

Turners Crossing 2005 from Bendigo is a ripper

Jay60A · Post by **Jay60A** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:41 pm

rooman wrote:
Jay60A wrote:
rooman wrote:If your budget can run to Runrig, think about some of the Cote Rotie for sale at the Exchange run by Langtons. Last time I checked they had some very respectable 99s.

A lot of Cote Roties are 100% Shiraz now ... just a point of order .
every time I think I understand life's rules, they move the bleeding goal posts.

From Tim Atkins MW -

"I'd always assumed that the perfume and elegance of CÃƒÂ´te RÃƒÂ´tie was partly explained by the presence of a small amount (3-10%) of Viognier in many of the wines. This most opulent of whites is the sole grape in neighbouring Condrieu and accounts for 5% of plantings in CÃƒÂ´te RÃƒÂ´tie, too. This makes CÃƒÂ´te RÃƒÂ´tie one of the few red wines that is co-fermented with white grapes.

That's the theory, anyway. It's only when you ask around that you realise the reality is rather different. Many of the top producers don't use any Viognier at all. The fact that the variety is planted in the appellation is 'a historical accident', according to RenÃƒÂ© Rostaing, the renowned CÃƒÂ´te RÃƒÂ´tie producer. There are a few who do use it (Montez, Guigal, GÃƒÂ©rin and both Villards), but the majority prefer to make their wines as pure Syrahs.

The problem with myths is that people tend to believe them. The Syrah/Viognier blend that is supposed to be typical of CÃƒÂ´te RÃƒÂ´tie has started to catch on in other parts of the world, especially Australia. Some of the resulting wines are very good indeed ..."

Rawshack · Post by **Rawshack** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:26 pm

Jay60A wrote:
rooman wrote:
Jay60A wrote:
rooman wrote:If your budget can run to Runrig, think about some of the Cote Rotie for sale at the Exchange run by Langtons. Last time I checked they had some very respectable 99s.

A lot of Cote Roties are 100% Shiraz now ... just a point of order .
every time I think I understand life's rules, they move the bleeding goal posts.

From Tim Atkins MW -

"I'd always assumed that the perfume and elegance of CÃƒÂ´te RÃƒÂ´tie was partly explained by the presence of a small amount (3-10%) of Viognier in many of the wines. This most opulent of whites is the sole grape in neighbouring Condrieu and accounts for 5% of plantings in CÃƒÂ´te RÃƒÂ´tie, too. This makes CÃƒÂ´te RÃƒÂ´tie one of the few red wines that is co-fermented with white grapes.

That's the theory, anyway. It's only when you ask around that you realise the reality is rather different. Many of the top producers don't use any Viognier at all. The fact that the variety is planted in the appellation is 'a historical accident', according to RenÃƒÂ© Rostaing, the renowned CÃƒÂ´te RÃƒÂ´tie producer. There are a few who do use it (Montez, Guigal, GÃƒÂ©rin and both Villards), but the majority prefer to make their wines as pure Syrahs.

The problem with myths is that people tend to believe them. The Syrah/Viognier blend that is supposed to be typical of CÃƒÂ´te RÃƒÂ´tie has started to catch on in other parts of the world, especially Australia. Some of the resulting wines are very good indeed ..."

Tim Atkin saying something nice about Australia? Nah, don't believe it.

Craig(NZ) · Post by **Craig(NZ)** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:11 am

if you want a kiwi representation 06 Trinity Hill Homage Shiraz (has a splash of viognier). its pretty sexy stuff

Sharkey · Post by **Sharkey** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:34 am

In yesterdays Good Living, Huon Hooke's article was on Shiraz Viognier - particularly Blue Pyrenees Estate. The reserve is just labelled as shiraz but it does contain 5% viognier. He seemed pretty impressed with it.

malliemcg · Post by **malliemcg** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:47 am

Lerida Estate Shiraz Viognier - this was used by Iron Chef Chen Kinichi when out in Australia as a surprise wine thinggie - not tried it myself, but would love to hear feedback if lined up next to the Clonakilla

Michael McNally · Post by **Michael McNally** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:07 pm

Hi 707

I have looked, but I can't find a write up of this tasting. Is it on the forum anywhere?

Cheers

Michael