observation...

rocknoise · Post by **rocknoise** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:26 am

everyone seems so angry on this other forum I looked at.
What's up over there?

Red Bigot · Post by **Red Bigot** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:28 am

Presuming you mean the other major Austrailian wine forum, that's just their version of having fun (apart from the cork luddites thread, that's just way over the top from any rational explanation).

Jay60A · Post by **Jay60A** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:57 am

I think the cost of top Burgundy and Champagne is wearing them down. Hence the anger. BurgHound becomes BurgAddiction imo.

Red Bigot · Post by **Red Bigot** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:03 am

Jay60A wrote:I think the cost of top Burgundy and Champagne is wearing them down. Hence the anger. BurgHound becomes BurgAddiction imo.

I was going to say (in jest) that it stems from drinking too much foreign wine and not enough good old Aussie wine, but deleted it in case they didn't believe I was joking.

Craig(NZ) · Post by **Craig(NZ)** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:03 am

things get angry here too. ive just been away :lol:

rooman · Post by **rooman** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:13 am

Red Bigot wrote:Presuming you mean the other major Austrailian wine forum, that's just their version of having fun (apart from the cork luddites thread, that's just way over the top from any rational explanation).

How could you say that. YOU must be some sort of raving idiot. It is quite clear that stuffed rags secured by red wax bound by number 8 fencing wire is THE method of closure!!

Red Bigot · Post by **Red Bigot** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:18 am

rooman wrote:
Red Bigot wrote:Presuming you mean the other major Austrailian wine forum, that's just their version of having fun (apart from the cork luddites thread, that's just way over the top from any rational explanation).

How could you say that. YOU must be some sort of raving idiot. It is quite clear that stuffed rags secured by red wax bound by number 8 fencing wire is THE method of closure!!

Yep, captured the mood exactly. :lol:

ufo · Post by **ufo** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:35 pm

Red Bigot wrote:Presuming you mean the other major Austrailian wine forum, that's just their version of having fun (apart from the cork luddites thread, that's just way over the top from any rational explanation).

What is this other major AU wine forum, URL please

Gavin Trott · Post by **Gavin Trott** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:46 pm

ufo wrote:
Red Bigot wrote:Presuming you mean the other major Austrailian wine forum, that's just their version of having fun (apart from the cork luddites thread, that's just way over the top from any rational explanation).

What is this other major AU wine forum, URL please

No he was joking

there is no other major au forum!

:roll:

ufo · Post by **ufo** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:26 pm

Gavin Trott wrote:
ufo wrote:
Red Bigot wrote:Presuming you mean the other major Austrailian wine forum, that's just their version of having fun (apart from the cork luddites thread, that's just way over the top from any rational explanation).

What is this other major AU wine forum, URL please

No he was joking

there is no other major au forum!

Is he or you joking Gavin ?!?!

How about Starwine and Boccacio Cellar Forums or you just consider them to be major.

Gavin Trott · Post by **Gavin Trott** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:36 pm

ufo wrote:
Gavin Trott wrote:
ufo wrote:
Red Bigot wrote:Presuming you mean the other major Austrailian wine forum, that's just their version of having fun (apart from the cork luddites thread, that's just way over the top from any rational explanation).

What is this other major AU wine forum, URL please

No he was joking

there is no other major au forum!

Is he or you joking Gavin ?!?!

How about Starwine and Boccacio Cellar Forums or you just consider them to be major.

Umm

I was joking, hence all the winks and nudges.

Red Bigot · Post by **Red Bigot** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:51 pm

ufo wrote:
Gavin Trott wrote:
ufo wrote:
Red Bigot wrote:Presuming you mean the other major Austrailian wine forum, that's just their version of having fun (apart from the cork luddites thread, that's just way over the top from any rational explanation).

What is this other major AU wine forum, URL please

No he was joking

there is no other major au forum!

Is he or you joking Gavin ?!?!

How about Starwine and Boccacio Cellar Forums or you just consider them to be major.

Starwine is a long defunct (I hope) sparkling sweet white.

I'll let rocknoise clarify which forum he's talking about.

Craig(NZ) · Post by **Craig(NZ)** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:03 pm

there is no need to visit other wine forums. this one is the best

ufo · Post by **ufo** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:13 pm

Red Bigot wrote:
ufo wrote:
Gavin Trott wrote:
ufo wrote:
Red Bigot wrote:Presuming you mean the other major Austrailian wine forum, that's just their version of having fun (apart from the cork luddites thread, that's just way over the top from any rational explanation).

What is this other major AU wine forum, URL please

No he was joking

there is no other major au forum!

Is he or you joking Gavin ?!?!

How about Starwine and Boccacio Cellar Forums or you just consider them to be major.

Starwine is a long defunct (I hope) sparkling sweet white.

I'll let rocknoise clarify which forum he's talking about.

Ooops, sorry, I meant, you just don't consider them to be major.

ufo · Post by **ufo** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:49 pm

Gavin Trott wrote:
ufo wrote:
Gavin Trott wrote:
ufo wrote:
Red Bigot wrote:Presuming you mean the other major Austrailian wine forum, that's just their version of having fun (apart from the cork luddites thread, that's just way over the top from any rational explanation).

What is this other major AU wine forum, URL please

No he was joking

there is no other major au forum!

Is he or you joking Gavin ?!?!

How about Starwine and Boccacio Cellar Forums or you just consider them to be major.

Umm

I was joking, hence all the winks and nudges.

Just wanted to make sure Gavin !

Daryl Douglas · Post by **Daryl Douglas** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:24 pm

Craig(NZ) wrote:there is no need to visit other wine forums. this one is the best

Yep.

Daryl Douglas · Post by **Daryl Douglas** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:15 am

That said, it's great that there are several available fora which those with similar interests in wine can exchange opinions and experiences. Boccacio has a lean towards italian wines, *Forum has a mix, some with a bent toward french wines, Auswine is rather more eclectic but with an emphasis on Australian wines (suits the name) and although it's in a different format, The Wine Front is another that provides an avenue to comment on the wines reviewed and is another informative wine site. There are of course others but mostly with limited or no interactive facility.

Anyway, I'm comfortable here, happy to see there's been a bit of increased activity, new members generating some interest, including Lordson's exploration of wine (which mostly seems about reds).

Cheers

daz

Jay60A · Post by **Jay60A** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:17 am

Daryl Douglas wrote:That said, it's great that there are several available fora which those with similar interests in wine can exchange opinions and experiences. Boccacio has a lean towards italian wines, *Forum has a mix, some with a bent toward french wines, Auswine is rather more eclectic but with an emphasis on Australian wines (suits the name) and although it's in a different format, The Wine Front is another that provides an avenue to comment on the wines reviewed and is another informative wine site. There are of course others but mostly with limited or no interactive facility.

Anyway, I'm comfortable here, happy to see there's been a bit of increased activity, new members generating some interest, including Lordson's exploration of wine (which mostly seems about reds).

Cheers

daz

Yeah - it's nice to see lots of new people here. fwiw if you are really francophile I'd read the UK Wine Forum where you can learn about French Wine at prices you can *actually* afford ... Gigondas, Loire, S. France etc. Excellent moderation (Tom S.).

I'm waiting for kiwiwineclubforum where you can only post on SavBlanc and maybe Waiheke and HB Syrah and Clevedon blends naturally. :twisted:

Nah, it's nice here and people are generally very friendly.
Feels like home ...

rooman · Post by **rooman** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:13 am

Jay60A wrote:
Yeah - it's nice to see lots of new people here. fwiw if you are really francophile I'd read the UK Wine Forum where you can learn about French Wine at prices you can *actually* afford ... Gigondas, Loire, S. France etc. Excellent moderation (Tom S.).

Now that is a great way to get really p*ssed off as a wine drinking Australian, read the overseas prices. I am on the Wallys in LA email list and a few other US retailers' lists. Last week I was offered Pichon Lalande 05 at $135. Here in Aus with our wonder system of taxes, it is over $300! Some days this country is so corrupt with the kick backs from Brewers to the local political parties ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

I can fly to Auckland with the wife, stay at the Hilton, pick up a six pack of Grange, come home and still be ahead of buying the same 6 bottles locally. Now that is just plain wrong! :evil:

rooman · Post by **rooman** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:58 pm

Red Bigot wrote:Presuming you mean the other major Austrailian wine forum, that's just their version of having fun (apart from the cork luddites thread, that's just way over the top from any rational explanation).

actually this thread has been amusing in a pointy head kind of way.

http://www.winestar.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19500

Nayan · Post by **Nayan** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:19 pm

rooman wrote:I can fly to Auckland with the wife, stay at the Hilton, pick up a six pack of Grange, come home and still be ahead of buying the same 6 bottles locally. Now that is just plain wrong!

Actually, I see that as a win-win situation. The wife's happy; your happy. What's the problem? :wink:

rooman · Post by **rooman** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:32 pm

Nayan wrote:
rooman wrote:I can fly to Auckland with the wife, stay at the Hilton, pick up a six pack of Grange, come home and still be ahead of buying the same 6 bottles locally. Now that is just plain wrong!

Actually, I see that as a win-win situation. The wife's happy; your happy. What's the problem?

Yeah except I have to go on holiday with the wife :cry:

Daryl Douglas · Post by **Daryl Douglas** » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:11 pm

Jay60A wrote:Yeah - it's nice to see lots of new people here. fwiw if you are really francophile I'd read the UK Wine Forum where you can learn about French Wine at prices you can *actually* afford ... Gigondas, Loire, S. France etc. Excellent moderation (Tom S.).

I'm waiting for kiwiwineclubforum where you can only post on SavBlanc and maybe Waiheke and HB Syrah and Clevedon blends naturally.
Nah, it's nice here and people are generally very friendly.
Feels like home ...

NO! I am not a francophile! But at ~$20 I could be tempted to try a Guigal Cotes du Rhone, a label that seems to reasonably well-regarded by the cognoscenti.

Couldn't be bothered trying NZ reds, their shiraz/syrah and cab sauv seem to be mostly overpriced - and I'm not a pinotphile.

I find enough variation in Australia's GIs etc to be happy enough drinking exclusively Aus wines. Seriously. Even then, I don't bother with Qld or Hunter wines. It's not jingoism or anything like that, it's just that I really am content to drink only Australian wines.

Perhaps the best wine I've had this year was The Story Westgate Grampians Shiraz 06 (A$38-A$40) - it certainly doesn't fit the mould of Barossa or McLaren Vale shiraz'. Another that's very close behind it is Polleters (Moonambel/Pyrenees) Cab 05 and at A$25 is an absolute bargain. Both are from cooler Victorian regions and are "boutique" wine producers, perhaps none more so than The Story - apparently there were only about 70 cases of the Westgate bottled and I'm amazed that it can still be found! Forest Hill Vineyard at Great Southern/Mount Barker is another smaller producer (20,000 cases) whose wines I've really enjoyed this year, particularly the Block series wines. Jeanneret Denis Reserve Shiraz 02 from Clare is another I've particularly enjoyed. Mornington Peninsula is a region from which I'd like to try some shiraz - I've enjoyed a few chards from there.

My preferences in Australian wines seems to have generally moved to those from cooler climates with some elegance and there are many smaller wineries producing excellent wines that I've yet to try.

Cheers

daz

Waiters Friend · Post by **Waiters Friend** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:02 am

In answer to the original question "everyone seems so angry on this other forum I looked at. What's up over there?", and assuming we're talking *forum, I think it might have attracted some people with bigger wallets than me, and are a little more opinionated as a result. Maybe they have reason to be, based on their tasting experience, etc, etc.

I don't care. I'm here (and there) because I want to talk to people about a subject I am passionate about, at my level. I learn from people that have different experiences to me, who have been far more involved in the industry than I have, and even from those that can afford the time to post their tour diaries of pie-shops (sorry TORB :lol:

). For me, this forum is the goods, while the other forum doesn't have the same level of appeal for me - because it is not (as much) at my level of interest.

Yes, I have a few French in the cellar, but I don't understand enough about French wines (yet) to discuss them with any confidence (apart from my TNs). It's an area I want to explore, but I'm also very satisfied exploring the variety that Australia has to offer. As I've explored this wide brown land (and many of its wine regions, across 5 states and a territory), and worked in the industry on a couple of levels, I feel my opinion on Australian wines is far more valid than for French (or any other country's) wines, and therefore I'll keep talking

But I'll do it on both fora (thanks Daz for the Latin plural), in the knowledge that a few people like me will do the same. In the meantime - thanks Gavin - Auswine is the go

Cheers

Allan

rooman · Post by **rooman** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:13 am

Daryl Douglas wrote:
Jay60A wrote:Yeah - it's nice to see lots of new people here. fwiw if you are really francophile I'd read the UK Wine Forum where you can learn about French Wine at prices you can *actually* afford ... Gigondas, Loire, S. France etc. Excellent moderation (Tom S.).

I'm waiting for kiwiwineclubforum where you can only post on SavBlanc and maybe Waiheke and HB Syrah and Clevedon blends naturally.
Nah, it's nice here and people are generally very friendly.
Feels like home ...

NO! I am not a francophile! But at ~$20 I could be tempted to try a Guigal Cotes du Rhone, a label that seems to reasonably well-regarded by the cognoscenti.

Couldn't be bothered trying NZ reds, their shiraz/syrah and cab sauv seem to be mostly overpriced - and I'm not a pinotphile.

I find enough variation in Australia's GIs etc to be happy enough drinking exclusively Aus wines. Seriously. Even then, I don't bother with Qld or Hunter wines. It's not jingoism or anything like that, it's just that I really am content to drink only Australian wines.

Perhaps the best wine I've had this year was The Story Westgate Grampians Shiraz 06 (A$38-A$40) - it certainly doesn't fit the mould of Barossa or McLaren Vale shiraz'. Another that's very close behind it is Polleters (Moonambel/Pyrenees) Cab 05 and at A$25 is an absolute bargain. Both are from cooler Victorian regions and are "boutique" wine producers, perhaps none more so than The Story - apparently there were only about 70 cases of the Westgate bottled and I'm amazed that it can still be found! Forest Hill Vineyard at Great Southern/Mount Barker is another smaller producer (20,000 cases) whose wines I've really enjoyed this year, particularly the Block series wines. Jeanneret Denis Reserve Shiraz 02 from Clare is another I've particularly enjoyed. Mornington Peninsula is a region from which I'd like to try some shiraz - I've enjoyed a few chards from there.

My preferences in Australian wines seems to have generally moved to those from cooler climates with some elegance and there are many smaller wineries producing excellent wines that I've yet to try.

Cheers

daz

Not trying Kiwi reds is crazy. They clearly make the best Pinot Noirs in this part of the world. Sure there are some great Aus , Main Ridge etc, but pinot for pinot NZ wins hands down. I also believe the Stonyridge Larose from a good year is the most complex and interesting Bordx blend down under. I have put up good vintage SL bottles against Mt Mary and Moss Wood and time and time again I will reach for the SL over both of these. Close but that is my preference.