Not that I can afford to drink Grange, but I heard that from the 2004 vintage all Grange will be under screwcap.
Anyone else heard similar?
Cheers
Finney (Craig)
Screwcaps and Grange
How come Penfolds bottle RWT under screwcap, but not 707 or Magill? 04 Bins 28 and 128 (and 138 too - at least the 04) seem to have run down the bottling line with both closures, Rawson's is under cork, Hyland under screwcap, 407/389 still exclusively under cork. Wonder what'll happen with 04 St Henri?
Maybe it's like the early history of Grange, which was bottled in all sorts of strange bottles, with varying capsules...
Graeme
Maybe it's like the early history of Grange, which was bottled in all sorts of strange bottles, with varying capsules...
Graeme
Re: Screwcaps and Grange
Finney wrote:Not that I can afford to drink Grange, but I heard that from the 2004 vintage all Grange will be under screwcap.
Anyone else heard similar?
Cheers
Finney (Craig)
I hadn't heard Grange, but had heard the Hill Of Grace is headed that way.
Murray Almond
Re: Screwcaps and Grange
Murray wrote: I hadn't heard Grange, but had heard the Hill Of Grace is headed that way.
I believe Henschke are going glass stoppers at the premium end, adds about $1 bottle to costs.
Cheers - Steve
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Anonymous
I had the luck to be invited at the Pendfolds masterclass, two weeks ago in Sydney, presented by Peter Gago.
The question have been asked to him and the answer is… NO! There are no plan to have Grange under screwcup for cultural reason, this wine as a long history and Gago don't think that you can do a so big change like that on Grange. Even to do a little change on the label seem to be a big deal for the collectors.
Regarding RWT, it doesn't have a so long history so no problem for pass it to screwcup.
Same things for the others, St Henri and 707 will stay with cork. Not sure for Magill…
Here you go! That was my first post (just discover this site today). Sorry for my english full of mistakes, I'm a frog lost down under… But I don't miss my wines as I find so great staffs here!!!
The question have been asked to him and the answer is… NO! There are no plan to have Grange under screwcup for cultural reason, this wine as a long history and Gago don't think that you can do a so big change like that on Grange. Even to do a little change on the label seem to be a big deal for the collectors.
Regarding RWT, it doesn't have a so long history so no problem for pass it to screwcup.
Same things for the others, St Henri and 707 will stay with cork. Not sure for Magill…
Here you go! That was my first post (just discover this site today). Sorry for my english full of mistakes, I'm a frog lost down under… But I don't miss my wines as I find so great staffs here!!!
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Adam
Not that I am big fan of tincaps...but its a shame that they are pandering to collectors rather than offering the CHOICE to drinkers...Pécharmant wrote:I had the luck to be invited at the Pendfolds masterclass, two weeks ago in Sydney, presented by Peter Gago.
The question have been asked to him and the answer is… NO! There are no plan to have Grange under screwcup for cultural reason, this wine as a long history and Gago don't think that you can do a so big change like that on Grange. Even to do a little change on the label seem to be a big deal for the collectors.
Regarding RWT, it doesn't have a so long history so no problem for pass it to screwcup.
Same things for the others, St Henri and 707 will stay with cork. Not sure for Magill…
Here you go! That was my first post (just discover this site today). Sorry for my english full of mistakes, I'm a frog lost down under… But I don't miss my wines as I find so great staffs here!!!
Pécharmant wrote:I had the luck to be invited at the Pendfolds masterclass, two weeks ago in Sydney, presented by Peter Gago.
The question have been asked to him and the answer is… NO! There are no plan to have Grange under screwcup for cultural reason, this wine as a long history and Gago don't think that you can do a so big change like that on Grange. Even to do a little change on the label seem to be a big deal for the collectors.
Regarding RWT, it doesn't have a so long history so no problem for pass it to screwcup.
Same things for the others, St Henri and 707 will stay with cork. Not sure for Magill…
Here you go! That was my first post (just discover this site today). Sorry for my english full of mistakes, I'm a frog lost down under… But I don't miss my wines as I find so great staffs here!!!
Interesting, and yet disappointing information. Bin 28s history is just as long as 707, yet they're happy to put a screwcap on that. To reject the improvement available because of adherence to a misguided 'tradition' seems short-sighted, to say the least. Not to mention what it says about their opinion of their customers for these particular wines. 'Big $ = ignorant shmucks who pay for label prestige and need to impress others who associate screwcaps with cheap wines' - has nothing changed in the last 7 years?
Bet Gago changes his tune inside five years.
Graeme
IMHO,
People that buy grange, and know a lot about wine, will want screwcap (or glass stoppers). And people that know nothing about wine - will they really care what it's closed in? But I think there is a more significant point, and that is - grange wasn't initially accepted by the wine community, it made it's name by Schubert adhering to what he believed in, despite popular opinion. Grange should be the trendsetter, not subservient to the 'popular belief'.
In a time where the popular belief of penfolds is that people won't accept anything other than cork, I think a disparity exists. I think everyone would agree that the trend (amongst sophisticated wine drinkers) is towards non cork stoppers, and grange would be able to reinforce popular opinion beyond any other brand's ability.
Screwcap's/non-cork-stoppers would, if accepted by Grange, no longer limit the public view as non-cork being a closure for whites. Grange's greatness is partly a factor of it's history, and they are missing an opportunity to create history. The trend is towards non-cork stoppers, and the sooner grange accepts this the better. Otherwise they will be seen as a luddite, and they will suffer for it.
Andrew
People that buy grange, and know a lot about wine, will want screwcap (or glass stoppers). And people that know nothing about wine - will they really care what it's closed in? But I think there is a more significant point, and that is - grange wasn't initially accepted by the wine community, it made it's name by Schubert adhering to what he believed in, despite popular opinion. Grange should be the trendsetter, not subservient to the 'popular belief'.
In a time where the popular belief of penfolds is that people won't accept anything other than cork, I think a disparity exists. I think everyone would agree that the trend (amongst sophisticated wine drinkers) is towards non cork stoppers, and grange would be able to reinforce popular opinion beyond any other brand's ability.
Screwcap's/non-cork-stoppers would, if accepted by Grange, no longer limit the public view as non-cork being a closure for whites. Grange's greatness is partly a factor of it's history, and they are missing an opportunity to create history. The trend is towards non-cork stoppers, and the sooner grange accepts this the better. Otherwise they will be seen as a luddite, and they will suffer for it.
Andrew
Re: Screwcaps and Grange
707 wrote:Murray wrote: I hadn't heard Grange, but had heard the Hill Of Grace is headed that way.
I believe Henschke are going glass stoppers at the premium end, adds about $1 bottle to costs.
This is the closure you're thinking of.
http://www.vino-lok.de/inhalt.htm#eng
It appears on cellar door Henry's Seven's at the moment. I believe they are 'considering' it, but no firm decision has been made.
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At a Foster's tasting on Monday night the Foster's global wine ambassador said that Grange had been bottled under screwcap for trial purposes for a few years and that he expected alternate closures would become an option in the near future, whatever that may mean. Certainly not the firm no suggested above by Gago.
Hot topic on the night as two of the 02 Grange's opened on the night were corked, one horribly so.
LL
Hot topic on the night as two of the 02 Grange's opened on the night were corked, one horribly so.
LL
They gave pre release purchasers (retailers) a choice of cork or screw for the Block 42 and Bin ??A.
My information has it that screwcap was the overwhelming choice. Now wouldn't the purchasers of the above wines be the same guys that buy Grange?
My information has it that screwcap was the overwhelming choice. Now wouldn't the purchasers of the above wines be the same guys that buy Grange?
I like them young, I like them old but most of all I like them bold
Was at the caulfield dan murphy's the other day, and the block 42 and bin 60A were both under screwcap. The bin 60A recieves the highest score (19.7/20) that Jeremy Oliver has ever given a wine, and the block 42 is the only other 19.6/20 or higher wine per JO that isn't past JO's drinking window.
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